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MAGIC
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Posted - 07/02/2004 : 14:00:21
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spasao si zivu glavu u poslednjem trenutku ;-)))
...ali on sanja otvorenih ociju.A ti sto sanjaju otvorenih ociju su opasni,jer ne znaju gde im san prestaje.. |
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Maximuss
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Croatia
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degman
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Germany
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Posted - 07/02/2004 : 15:03:06
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komparacija sa drugim stripovima - sandman je preopsiran. jurica je dobro reka da nema pravila – ako nista drugo upravo je pravila mogao razviti u 10 trejdova
interesantna je duletova izjava kada kaze; da je sandmana nacrtao netko od hrvata - bio bi posran sto je najgore, mislim da bi! cudan smo mi svit |
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zveles
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Croatia
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Posted - 07/02/2004 : 15:08:39
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quote: Originally posted by Maximuss Dobro, dobro... On spada u one nadljudski ishvaljene, pa mi ne gine njegovo citanje.
 
ma, klasika... bit ce isto kao i s dark knightom. cak vjerujem da ce ti corto jos bolje sjesti. 
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MAGIC
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Lebanon
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Posted - 07/02/2004 : 18:09:35
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quote: Bojao sam se tvoje reakcije! ;) I ono nadljudsko hvaljenje se odnosi na tebe! :))
nadljudski strip,prema tome i nadljudske reakcije  
no dobro ..korto se nemora svideti svakome...al ne priznajem nikome da kaze da mu se nesvidja ako ga bar dvaput nije procitao 
...ali on sanja otvorenih ociju.A ti sto sanjaju otvorenih ociju su opasni,jer ne znaju gde im san prestaje.. |
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MAGIC
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Lebanon
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Posted - 07/02/2004 : 18:11:38
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samo onako usput ...nije za dzabe Frenki stavio Corta u svog crnog viteza..ne,ne...zna covek ko je corto, a i usporedba je sjajna 
...ali on sanja otvorenih ociju.A ti sto sanjaju otvorenih ociju su opasni,jer ne znaju gde im san prestaje.. |
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MAGIC
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Lebanon
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Posted - 07/02/2004 : 18:14:24
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quote: komparacija sa drugim stripovima - sandman je preopsiran. jurica je dobro reka da nema pravila – ako nista drugo upravo je pravila mogao razviti u 10 trejdova
kah,kah...ima pravila....postoji jedna nit koja sve te trejdove spaja
...ali on sanja otvorenih ociju.A ti sto sanjaju otvorenih ociju su opasni,jer ne znaju gde im san prestaje.. |
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jgoran5
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Croatia
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Posted - 07/02/2004 : 22:42:59
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ajde da se i ja ukljuccim u raspravu:
smatram da je sandman nešto najbolje što je gaiman napisao. ccisto odliccan fantasy strip koji ima dublju stranu od tipiccnog fantasy jurcanja
smatram da su prve dve knjige odliccen dok 3,4,5 pomalo šepaju a 6 i 7 su mi odliccne.zadnje tri mi još stoje na polici i ccekaju da ih proccitam.ma koliko god volio sandmana nisam se mogao natjerati da proccitam svih 10 tpb-ova odjednom
što se ticce duletovog pljuckanja po sandmanu-jednostavno nisam od njega nešto drugo ni occekivao nakon pljvaccine po giuseppeu camuncoliu(to mu još nisam zaboravio ). zadnji put sam napisao "još jedan bonelly ala zagor - "vidim samo to fan i ništa drugo" jer nisam znao ko je dule. sada kad znam, vidim da nije ala bonelly nego ala svi moraju voljeti ono što ja volim a ono što ja ne volim niko ne smije voljeti tj.citiram mcna i potpuno se slažem sa njim "Drugim rjeccima, ne svidjaju ti se pa ih kritizirass"
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degman
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Posted - 07/02/2004 : 23:49:21
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ma dule je cangrizavi nezadovoljni starac frustriran cinjenicama da se rodio u krivo vrijeme na krivome mjestu cime ga se ne smije ni pod koju cijenu uzimat za ozbiljno!! :)))) al neosporno je takodjer da ima zavidnu kolicinu znanja i pravi mi je uzitak 'pratit' stvari koje taj covjek ostavlja za sobom ;) steta kolicine cinizma koje sve to prati pa covik vise ne zna kad je ozbiljan a kad se zajebava :)))
nego velas mi je nesto prica oko sandmana (a i spominjalo se na forumu) - oko otkupa prava algoritma. ali samo onih ka pocetnih prava, cisto da to nitko drugi ne bi moga izdavat doli njih (jesam dobro shvatio to?) sto vi mislite o tom izdavackom zajebu nas ljubitelja stripa koji nemaju pametnijeg posla nego slusat o tim zavrzlamama i nacinu funkcioniranja danasnjeg biznisa izdavaca - umisto da se kidamo oko izbora slinih naslova koje kupit a koje ne, jer jerbo ima ih previse na trzisu
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jgoran5
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Croatia
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Posted - 07/02/2004 : 23:54:42
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quote: Originally posted by degman
ma dule je cangrizavi nezadovoljni starac frustriran cinjenicama da se rodio u krivo vrijeme na krivome mjestu cime ga se ne smije ni pod koju cijenu uzimat za ozbiljno!! :)))) al neosporno je takodjer da ima zavidnu kolicinu znanja i pravi mi je uzitak 'pratit' stvari koje taj covjek ostavlja za sobom ;) steta kolicine cinizma koje sve to prati pa covik vise ne zna kad je ozbiljan a kad se zajebava :)))
nego velas mi je nesto prica oko sandmana (a i spominjalo se na forumu) - oko otkupa prava algoritma. ali samo onih ka pocetnih prava, cisto da to nitko drugi ne bi moga izdavat doli njih (jesam dobro shvatio to?) sto vi mislite o tom izdavackom zajebu nas ljubitelja stripa koji nemaju pametnijeg posla nego slusat o tim zavrzlamama i nacinu funkcioniranja danasnjeg biznisa izdavaca - umisto da se kidamo oko izbora slinih naslova koje kupit a koje ne, jer jerbo ima ih previse na trzisu
ja mislim da ce to biti ok potez mada mene nažalost nece vidjeti algoritmova izdanja.dao sam previše love za 10 komada americkih knjiga da bi davao još toliko za hrvatski prijevod istih,naravno ako algoritam ikada odjavi sandmana
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degman
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Germany
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 00:07:42
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stvara se relativno losa atmosfera oko svih tih izdavaca dobro, bernard pici po eu albumima i dugim serijalima knjiga - tu nema greske al vecina, konkretno tpb-ova, koji bi se mogli izdat, nece biti kupljeni cisto iz razloga sto su vec nabavljeni na engleskom!
osobno nikog necu cekat da nesto izda, ko ih *ebe, morat ce izdavat najnovije stvari ako oce ista prodat |
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zveles
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 00:37:55
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degi, mislim da je i mcn vec o tome pisao ovdje na forumu, algoritam ima ekskluzivni ugovor s gaimanom i po tom ugovoru ima prvenstvo izbora i nesto kao "zastupanje" gaimanovih djela (knjizevnih ili stripovskih, svejedno) na koje ovaj drzi autorska prava. to nije nista lose i to ne znaci da netko drugi tko zeli objaviti sandmana, to ne bi smio. dapace, ako netko pokaze interes i zatrazi licencu, onda je dovoljno da o tome pregovara ovdje s algoritmom, umjesto da licencu trazi iz amerike. a, opet, tko zna, mozda gospodin milicevic planira u bliskoj buducnosti krenuti i s izdavanjem strip knjiga? to bi bilo odlicno kad se zna da je algoritam najzdravija izdavacka kuca u hrvata. takodjer, nije li i mcn nesto spominjao da se kuha u bliskoj buducnosti? ha, kume? reci sad, jel ljubicasto, smedje ili metalik zeleno!
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Maximuss
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Croatia
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 00:51:38
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quote: Originally posted by zveles
degi, mislim da je i mcn vec o tome pisao ovdje na forumu, algoritam ima ekskluzivni ugovor s gaimanom i po tom ugovoru ima prvenstvo izbora i nesto kao "zastupanje" gaimanovih djela (knjizevnih ili stripovskih, svejedno) na koje ovaj drzi autorska prava. to nije nista lose i to ne znaci da netko drugi tko zeli objaviti sandmana, to ne bi smio. dapace, ako netko pokaze interes i zatrazi licencu, onda je dovoljno da o tome pregovara ovdje s algoritmom, umjesto da licencu trazi iz amerike. a, opet, tko zna, mozda gospodin milicevic planira u bliskoj buducnosti krenuti i s izdavanjem strip knjiga? to bi bilo odlicno kad se zna da je algoritam najzdravija izdavacka kuca u hrvata. takodjer, nije li i mcn nesto spominjao da se kuha u bliskoj buducnosti? ha, kume? reci sad, jel ljubicasto, smedje ili metalik zeleno!
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Cestitam zveles! Ucinio si 77777mi post u ovom forumu. 

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zveles
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 01:02:51
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uuuu, covjece, gala!!! na cestitki od srca hvala! :)))
ne bih ni primjetio da nisi slikao. sad ce marko reci: "za nagradu za 77777mi post, zveles, moras napisati dva teksta..." ):
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Maximuss
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Djole
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 01:39:58
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Hocemo opet o Sandmanu?
Hocemo...
Dule, ranije smo raspravljali - procitaj, pa pljuj. Ovako, ne vidim na osnovu cega možeš da daješ negativnu kritiku.
Ko god da je pitao za Amerucke bogove - ništa posebno. Ali baš ništa posebno. Ni trunku emocija nije obudilo u meni. Ako volite da se igrate "prepoznajte pagansko božanstvo", great, read it.
Sandman companion - 300 strana na kojima se Hy Bender uvlaci u analne predele Neila Gaimana, i Neil Gaiman koji ne uspeva da kaže skoro ništa bitno. Neke stvari ce vam biti jasnije ako procitate Companion, ali sve skupa, ne vredi ni novca ni vremena.
jurica, da nisi ti u stvari prerušeni kiky? ;)
I konacno, sam strip. Sa distance, teško je da užitak u njemu ne pokvare kasnije Gaimanove brljotine, kao što ce mi recimo Martha Washington goes to war i razni Sin Cityji uvek kvariti Dark Knight returns. Ali Sandman je jedna kompleksna prica koja se može citati na bar tri nivoa, koja je puna veoma složenih likova i koja budi emocije kada se tim likovima dese loše stvari. Da je izvikan, jeste, ali je sve pohvale koje je primio zaslužio mnogo više nego nesrecni Preacher. Da je remek delo devete umetnosti, jeste. Da je jedan od 10 najboljih stripova koje sam procitao, jeste. Da Gaiman više nikada nece napraviti ništa iole slicno, za razliku od Moorea koji nas konstantno iznova raduje, nece.
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Maximuss
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Djole
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MAGIC
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Lebanon
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 02:40:45
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aj,ja bi neki frojdovski nivo 
quote: za razliku od Moorea koji nas konstantno iznova raduje
pa da se bas osecam radosno posle nekih njegovih stripova, ne bih mogao reci
...ali on sanja otvorenih ociju.A ti sto sanjaju otvorenih ociju su opasni,jer ne znaju gde im san prestaje.. |
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Verfalk2003
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 03:24:33
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Ja sam bio pitao za Americke bogove. Meni se doapao zaplet, relativno originalna ideja, ali mi je kraj smušen. A Sandmana nisam citao, pa ne želim ulaziti u raspravu.
Nitko ne jede crve dvaput, Avrame. |
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mcn
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 12:25:58
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quote: Originally posted by MAGIC
aj,ja bi neki frojdovski nivo 
Svi su sjebani.
mcn
***Svakog utorka nova AUKCIJA na Burzi!*** A ne zaboravite ni MCNov ORMAR na istom mjestu!*** |
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mcn
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 12:31:57
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quote: Originally posted by degman (jesam dobro shvatio to?)
Jednom, u zzivotu, jesi...:)
Algoritam (ako su lagali mene i ja lazzem vas) je stavio tapiju na Sandmana. SSto znacci da che ga oni objaviti ili neche, ali nitko drugi ne mozze do njega. Legalno, je li.
Takodjer, ccujem da Algoritam hoche krenuti u stripove te da su s Humanoidima potpisali za Metabarone. To je okej, trebaju velike firme riskirati s kolorima.
O prvom albumu Dicka Longa kod Profila govorim u drugom topiku.
SSto se Q-a ticce, u vjeccnoj potrazi za ssto nekomercijalnijim potezom, u petak sam potpisao ugovor za Understanding Comics. Occekujte ga oko CRS-a, ako mi autobus ne padne na glavu.
Je l' previsse, Degi? Jesi doccekao?
mcn
PS Zveles, valjda "Anticcevich", ne "Miliccevich"
***Svakog utorka nova AUKCIJA na Burzi!*** A ne zaboravite ni MCNov ORMAR na istom mjestu!*** |
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Kornboy
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 12:54:38
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quote: Originally posted by Verfalk2003
Ja sam bio pitao za Americke bogove. Meni se doapao zaplet, relativno originalna ideja, ali mi je kraj smušen.
Uf meni Americki bogovi stoje na pola procitani, evo vec par mjeseci. 
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zveles
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 12:57:22
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oh... jest anticevic, krivo sam napisao... bilo je kasno, taman sam stigao s posla... isprika gospon anticevicu ako posjecuje nas forum. 
znaci algoritam je sebi bezecirao sandmana. ja sam, kao i uvijek, citao izmedju redaka, pa sam krivo shvatio da su oni na sebe uzeli neku vrst managemanta nad gaimanovim autorskim pravima na ovom nasem podrucju. kad bolje razmislim, ne znam zasto sam si to tako protumacio?  
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Maximuss
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Posted - 08/02/2004 : 15:04:47
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quote: Originally posted by Djole
Koji nivo price želiš?
I živa daje crn talog.
Ma daj! Jos ces mi reci da se ne moze opisati radnja u par recenica. Poanta bar...
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