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mcn
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Toto
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Posted - 12/05/2004 : 02:02:32
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quote: josh uvek sam bubuljichav ochigledno poshto na HATE! odlepljujem:)
Pa da, HATE! Najbolji i najzabavniji slice-of-life. Obavezno!
I naravno, LOVE&ROCKETS rulz!!! (Love you, Hopey ) |
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metabaron
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Posted - 12/05/2004 : 02:39:18
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"Ed the Happy Clown" be biti reprintovan ove godine (u novon Definite izdanju). Genijalan je, politicki, absurdan. Joe Matt "Peepshow" A4 formata je vrlo dobar - vidio sam novo u izdanju Drawn and Quarterly. Nije toliko tesko nabaviti. Americki mainstream je sranje. |
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Pajke
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Serbia
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Posted - 12/05/2004 : 09:03:01
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quote: Originally posted by metabaron
"Ed the Happy Clown" be biti reprintovan ove godine (u novon Definite izdanju). Genijalan je, politicki, absurdan. Joe Matt "Peepshow" A4 formata je vrlo dobar - vidio sam novo u izdanju Drawn and Quarterly. Nije toliko tesko nabaviti. Americki mainstream je sranje.
STAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!PA OVO JE VEST GODINE!!!!!!! Kada bi ste samo znali koliko sam trazio "Ed the Happy Clown"! Naime, citao sam ga svojevremeno u nastavcima, objavljivao ga je jedan makedonski underground strip-casopis(mislim da se zvao Lift). Imam sve od Chestera Browna osim Eda! Definitivno jedan od meni omiljenih autora! |
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Pajke
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Posted - 12/05/2004 : 09:15:08
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quote: Originally posted by metabaron
"Ed the Happy Clown" be biti reprintovan ove godine (u novon Definite izdanju). Genijalan je, politicki, absurdan. Joe Matt "Peepshow" A4 formata je vrlo dobar - vidio sam novo u izdanju Drawn and Quarterly. Nije toliko tesko nabaviti. Americki mainstream je sranje.
Nego, gde moze na net-u da se proveri ta informacija?  |
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Pajke
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Pajke
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Posted - 12/05/2004 : 10:57:36
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Djole, mozda ja budem prodavao Jimmy Corrigana(HC izdanje) pa mi se javi kad budes odlucio da ga kupis. Nisam se jos 100% odlucio ali o tome cemo kad dodje vreme.  |
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Djole
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Pajke
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Posted - 12/05/2004 : 11:46:56
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quote: Originally posted by Djole
Ako se rešiš, zainteresovan sam.
Nice and smooth.
A mogu ti posuditi i sve od Chestera Browna na citanje, odusevices se i baciti na novi trosak(to nikako necu prodavati, za to ces se sam morati snaci). Steta je sto se ED ne moze naci. |
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Djole
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dekara
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Posted - 12/05/2004 : 15:08:28
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quote: Originally posted by metabaron
"Ed the Happy Clown" be biti reprintovan ove godine (u novon Definite izdanju). Genijalan je, politicki, absurdan. Joe Matt "Peepshow" A4 formata je vrlo dobar - vidio sam novo u izdanju Drawn and Quarterly. Nije toliko tesko nabaviti. Americki mainstream je sranje.
ochigledno ga duze vreme nisi chitao.usa meinstrim odavno nije bio kvalitetniji.vishe mi se chini da "alternativci" shepaju sa (novim!)dobrim izdanjima/autorima. hvala za dojavu glede cartoon diaryja.jurim ga vetj duze vreme po amazonu a ustvari mi je pod nosem stajao na sajtu izdavacha(josh je 30 posto off!).Eda i ja chekam sa nestrpljenjem ...josh kad bi bio u HC varijanti...
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dekara
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Posted - 12/05/2004 : 15:29:24
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quote: Originally posted by Toto
quote: josh uvek sam bubuljichav ochigledno poshto na HATE! odlepljujem:)
Pa da, HATE! Najbolji i najzabavniji slice-of-life. Obavezno!
napokon neko da me podrzi u mom konstantnom propagiranju gorepomenutog naslova(ej toto jesam li ti rekao kolko mi RDECHI ALARM znachi :) meni je to prvi i uz I NEVER LIKED YOU najdrazi sliceoflife strip ikada. fantagraphics najavljuje dva debela volumea HATE!a u kojima skupljaju komplet serijal i vetj sam na pola da ih pazarim iako imam sve to u sveskama:) mozda se tu i mcn zezne pa ischita u cugu te promeni mishljenje iz korena:)
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Toto
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Posted - 12/05/2004 : 21:41:20
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Bdw autobiografije & Kanadjani: Julie Doucet - MY NEW YORK DIARY nije los. Zenska pored ostalog nemilosrdno secira svoje bivse frajere, bas mi je zao za njih - jedva cekam nastavak,da procitam nesto o njenoj vezi sa stanovitim urednikom Stripburgera...  
quote: (ej toto jesam li ti rekao kolko mi RDECHI ALARM znachi:)meni je to prvi i uz I NEVER LIKED YOU najdrazi sliceoflife strip ikada.
Ej,pa da, nisam se ni sjetio da i RA ide u tu kategoriju! Hvala.
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metabaron
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Posted - 14/05/2004 : 01:22:24
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Na zalost informaciju o Ed the Happy Clown ne mozes nigdje provjeriti. (website publisera je http://www.drawnandquarterly.com) Inace sam tu informaciju cuo od samog Chestera prije dva-tri mjeseca. Nazalost to ce biti jos jedan Definitive edition Ed (za one koji ne znaju Ed je izdan u dva razlicita izdanja sa ponesto drugacijim sadrzajem, uz serijalizaciju u Yummy Fur). Navodno, ovo ce biti Definitive definitive edition. Vjerujem da ce ga izdati u hardcoveru. Ja bih savjetovao cekanje na ovo novo izdanje (hm, mozda je ovo trenutak da utrapim svoje staro izdanje?). "Louis Riel" je njegov zadnji strip: mozda njegov najbolji strip (Louis Riel je povijesni lik iz Canade, pola indijanac, pola Francuz koji je bio karizmaticni lider i borio se za prava indijanaca.)
Juliet Doucet je na zalost napustila stripove. Da, njeni stripovi su dosta dobri.
Hate je takoder jedan kojeg sam izostavio - vrijedi nabaviti.
Sto se tice Americkog mainstreama pogledaj listu prvih 100 i reci mi jedan citljivi strip s te liste. Vertigo je ispod 100, kao i ABC (Alan Moore's America Best Comics). Ovisi sto zoves Americki mainstream? Manga sveske se prodaju u knjizarama daleko vise od superheroja (Tokyopop ima listu od 20-30 grafickih novela SVAKI MJESEC!). Jedna knjiga kao Persepolis se prodala u preko 35,000 primjeraka. Mislim da je Ghost World napravio preko 50,000, a slican uspjeh je imao i Jimmy Corrigan. Dodatno, govorimo o knjigama koje su izdali knjizevni izdavaci (Random House...). Da li je mainstream ono sto se prodaje vecini strip ljubitelja ili ono sto se prodaje vecini ostale publike?
Ok, bio je jedan odlican Marvelov strip prosle godine: "Fantastic Four: Unstable Molecules". Naravno, autori stripa su James Sturm/Guy Davis/Sikoryak - tesko ijednog od ovih autora mozes nazvati mainstream. I naravno to se nije dobro prodalo zato sto nije bilo tucnjave te su moguci nastavci otkazani.
Veliki problem Americkog mainstreama je sto autori imaju veoma malo slobode da naprave sto zele. Cak ni odlicni strip umjetnici ne mogu dugo u takvom sistemu raditi (indikativan je slucaj Igor Kordeja npr.)
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Djole
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Posted - 14/05/2004 : 09:30:12
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Vecna pitanja oko mainstreama i indieja u svakom mediju.
Ja bih mainstreamom nazvao ono što je pravljeno da povladuje ukusima masa, ako ne u potpunosti, a ono barem u velikoj meri, bez obzira na to u koliko primeraka se proda. Mislim da je u pitanju stav autora prema kreaciji, a ne broj prodatih primeraka...
Play it again, Yortlebluzzgubbly. |
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Pajke
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Serbia
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Posted - 14/05/2004 : 10:26:11
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quote: "Louis Riel" je njegov zadnji strip: mozda njegov najbolji strip (Louis Riel je povijesni lik iz Canade, pola indijanac, pola Francuz koji je bio karizmaticni lider i borio se za prava indijanaca.)
Imam ga, HC izdanje, samo ga jos nisam stigao procitati. |
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dekara
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Posted - 15/05/2004 : 01:44:45
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Sto se tice Americkog mainstreama pogledaj listu prvih 100 i reci mi jedan citljivi strip s te liste. Vertigo je ispod 100, kao i ABC (Alan Moore's America Best Comics). Ovisi sto zoves Americki mainstream? Veliki problem Americkog mainstreama je sto autori imaju veoma malo slobode da naprave sto zele. Cak ni odlicni strip umjetnici ne mogu dugo u takvom sistemu raditi (indikativan je slucaj Igor Kordeja npr.)
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zavisi. strazinski na supreme power radi shta hotje,busiek u secret identity daje verovatno najbolju,i za meinstrim(a bogme i supermena)do sada vrlo nestandardnu prichu,bendis ubija(i zameni)kingpina u daredevilu(da vidimo ko je to ochekivao od marvela za dopustiti?)a i millar se u wantedu trudi da bude shto politichki akorektniji pa opet svi uspevaju da ulete u top 100 od proshlog meseca dok nesmetano prichaju svoje priche. sad da su sve to matori lisci od pisaca stoji ali stoji i da su ovo naslovi koje redovno chitam sa gushtom a to je jedino shto me interesuje.vertiga sretjom ima i to u vidu 100 bulletsa,y the last mana i fables a i swamp thing je tu(jes da nije neshto...) i to konstantno iz meseca u mesec shto me vrlo raduje i vratja nadu u posustali DC mature imprint(iko chitao my faith in frankie? vrlo divan strip od kojeg sam ochekivao malo a dobio puno vishe - svima kojima carey izgleda kao da "nema vlastitu liccnost vech se kameleonski prilagodjava serijalu"(tjao macane!:) preporuchujem MFIF za razuveravanje. ispod(ili je ipak iznad?:)stotke ima josh puno pristojnih dobrih i par ODLICHNIH(invincible,walking dead,hard time...)naslova koji tje vremenom verujem pretji u dvocifrenu ligu(ok hard time verovatno netje ali kirkmanova cheda maximum do nove godine uletju - mark my words:)tako da definitivno joh ima nade za meinstrim(shta god to bilo)
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zveles
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Posted - 15/05/2004 : 08:28:00
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> iko chitao my faith in frankie? vrlo divan strip od kojeg sam ochekivao malo a dobio puno vishe...
odlican! (al ja sam i ocekivao tako!) :)))
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dd fan
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Posted - 16/05/2004 : 02:10:16
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ali kirkmanova cheda maximum do nove godine uletju - mark my words:)
Jos ako uracunamo nas tiraz! Ihaaaaj!   
I've always been a nobody. When i was a child, my mother used to confuse me with my brother, even though i'm an only child. To this day she still thinks i'm my brother. |
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metabaron
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BOC
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Fiji
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Posted - 16/05/2004 : 09:12:12
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quote: Originally posted by Djole
Dakle, nakon From Hell i Berlina, definitivno sm rešio da je vreme da se upoznam i sa US indie scenom (fakat da sam u mainstreamu kompletirao sve što me zanima, osim Bonea, takode ne odmaže).
Muvajuci se tamo i ovamo, napravio sam listu favorita za nabavku u narednom periodu, pa molim cenjene forumaše koji su se vec susreli sa navednim naslovima da mi kažu dal' to valja nešto, il' ne.
The list goes as follows:
* Jar of fools (Jason Lutes)
* Blankets (Thompson)
* Road to perdition (uglavnom zato što cu najlakše doci do njega, NE zbog filma)
* Ghost world (Daniel Clowes)
* Summer blonde (Adrian Tomine)
i eventualno:
* Jimmy Corrigan (Chris Ware)
Valja li to šta? Ima li neko bolje ideje?
Nice and smooth.
Ghost World je zakon! Bajdvej, jel neko citao Like a Velvet Glove Cast in Iron?
Highschool - it's like a jail. Sex you want, you don't get it. Sex you get, you don't want. |
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Djole
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Serbia
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Posted - 16/05/2004 : 11:12:44
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Nope. Citao O njemu, i nije me baš privuklo...
btw, stigle su Eightball i neke Clowesove kratke price u Plato...
Pride, imaju i Herobear and the kid, koji možda i nije totalno Indie, no ipak...
Play it again, Yortlebluzzgubbly. |
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dekara
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Posted - 16/05/2004 : 11:34:46
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Pride, imaju i Herobear and the kid, koji možda i nije totalno Indie, no ipak... ******************************** zavisi shta se pod indie podrazumeva:) po meni ako neko pishe,crta i samoizdaje strip onda JE indy:) a i ako nije tako,herobear je dovoljno dobar strip za nabaviti pa bio indy ili meinstrim.
a taj jbni plato uvek navuche hrpe stripova kad ja ne planiram dolaziti do prestonice...:( mmcuimkapitalistichku!:)
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Djole
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Posted - 16/05/2004 : 11:40:43
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Ma provalili smo ih Magic i ja - oni imaju gomile stripova u šteku, i iz samo njima poznatih razloga, nemaju ih sve izložene.
Enivej, ako ti treba nešto od stvari koje sam naveo, a to je sve što je iole interesantno (osim recimo Origin, za koji sam pretty sure da te ne zanima), javni, pa da ti pokupim...
Naravno, Herobear uzimam za sebe... ;)
Play it again, Yortlebluzzgubbly. |
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dekara
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Posted - 16/05/2004 : 16:02:21
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quote: Originally posted by Djole
Ma provalili smo ih Magic i ja - oni imaju gomile stripova u šteku, i iz samo njima poznatih razloga, nemaju ih sve izložene.
Enivej, ako ti treba nešto od stvari koje sam naveo, a to je sve što je iole interesantno (osim recimo Origin, za koji sam pretty sure da te ne zanima), javni, pa da ti pokupim...
Naravno, Herobear uzimam za sebe... ;)
Play it again, Yortlebluzzgubbly.
samo ti uzmi - ja sam svoj primerak nedavno obezbedio preko hrvatske veze( )inache bi vetj uveliko bio u vozu novi sad - beograd preko indjije i stare pazove :) hvala na ponudi ali me trenutno clowes ne interesuje toliko da bih prsnuo kavr prajs za njega,no ako naletish na neki novi Donjon,javni pa da te uposlim odma`:) ti Platoashi su mi chudni neki likovi.samo ja i magic smo im dosad ostavili dve mesechne plate(njihove - ne nashe:)i oni josh uvek drze stripove sa strane!!!!???
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