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Djole
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Posted - 03/06/2004 : 13:17:18
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Djole otvara topic o Zagoru?
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Djole
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Posted - 03/06/2004 : 13:48:43
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Ma cisto da obavestim raju...
A treba se stvarno zabrinuti kada otvorim radosni topic o hermanu... ;)
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dd fan
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Posted - 03/06/2004 : 15:08:40
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Video ga i ja. Kvalitet isti. Ma bitno je da jos uvek izlaze...
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Ramath
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jang
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Djole
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Posted - 03/06/2004 : 18:55:32
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Osim što sem Zagora objavljuju i Dilana, a?
Osim što Ludensov Zagor i Dylan ne mogu da se kupe u SCG, a?
Osim što su malko jeftiniji od Ludensa, te samim tim imaju vece šanse da privuku novu publiku, a?
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jang
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Posted - 03/06/2004 : 19:14:26
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quote: Originally posted by Djole
Osim što sem Zagora objavljuju i Dilana, a?
Osim što Ludensov Zagor i Dylan ne mogu da se kupe u SCG, a?
Osim što su malko jeftiniji od Ludensa, te samim tim imaju vece šanse da privuku novu publiku, a?
Play it again, Yortlebluzzgubbly.
znao sam da ceš se oglasiti, jer sam se loše izrazio. Onda ovako: kada ih ludens uhvati oni ce izgubiti (verovatno) publiku koju imaju sada u Hrvatskoj i Sloveniji. U hrvatskoj koštaju i više nego Ludens-dakle ako se doda i patriotizam nemaju nikakve šanse. A kako sam procitao na forumu oni se bore za obstatak. govorio sam o Zagoru. A Dilana ce ljudi izgleda kupovati samo toliko da popune one rupe sa neizdatim brojevima a onda ce ih mnogo prestati kupovati, barem ovdje na forume tako izgleda. Kada bi oni recimo prestali sa izdavanje verovatno ima šanse da Ludens uleti na tržište kao i sa ostalim izdanjima. ako se NN prodaje u 1000 komada onda bi se i ovi a to bi znacilo vece prodaju Ludensa i šanse za nove projekte. Znam da ti voliš ili crno ili bjelo a ne sivo. Zbog toga i ne voliš SC. Zar nebi bilo fino gledati KP i MV u Ludens kvaliteti makar za koji dinar više.
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Djole
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Posted - 03/06/2004 : 19:35:59
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Postoje razlozi zašto su skuplji od Ludensa u Hrvatskoj, razlozi koji baš i nisu u domenu fer-pleja, no dobro.
To po strani, ne bih voleo da Bernie, uz svo dužno poštovanje, ima totalni monopol nad Bonellijem na ex-Yu prostorima. Ma koliko dobar posao radio.
Tacno, bilo bi lepo imati KP i MV po Ludens kvalitetu.
Ali bi bilo mnogo lepše imati sve to po Dnevnik kvalitetu, ali u 300.000 primeraka. A to se može postici samo jeftinim stripovima. 100 dinara, koliko Ludens košta u nas, a jo manje tih 16 kuna koliko košta u vas, nisu male pare. Tako nece doci do brojnosti. Ja cenim ono što Bernie radi - daje kolekcionarima ono što žele, i kao kolekcionar, presrecan sam zbog toga. Ali, nisam siguran da je to pravi put za strip uopšte. I dok ne budem bio siguran, milo mi je što postoji i alternativa.
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jang
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Posted - 03/06/2004 : 20:16:45
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monopol nije u redu, tu se slažemo. ali sa tim novim izdanjima on je vrlo proširio ponudu što je ok. zanima me koliko ce ti AF Klasik uticati na Specijale od SVET-a. U srbiji verovatno malo, ali drugje .... A dolazak Ludensa na kioske bi trebao SC naterati da se kvalitetom izjednaci sa Ludensom. U Striparnici u Ljubljani mi je bilo receno da je SC zahtjevao istu cjenu kao ju ima Ludens ali je obecao da ce poboljšati kvalitetu na istu razinu. sada mi se cini da je Sc još skuplji nego Ludens. brojnost je bojim se samo utopija. samo da ljubitelji stripa ne budemo kao NN (tu mislim na njegov odnos prema knjigama i plocama- jedan od rijedkih ljudi u cjelom gradu) |
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zosko
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Posted - 03/06/2004 : 20:43:17
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bez obzira na monopol... sta ce mi abaton kad se vec raspada prije nego dospije na kioske? pa to ne vrijedi 5 kuna ili 30 dinara ili sta ja znam... forinti na cemu je tiskan? recikliranom vecernjaku? |
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Djole
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Posted - 03/06/2004 : 22:23:31
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Meni se nije raspao nijedan A s obzirom na to kako izgleda KP i MV za mnogo vece pare, ja se ne bih bunio.
Što se tice kvaliteta i ponude - Bernie nije ozbiljna opasnost Systemu na domacim kisocima, jer je publika otpirlike ista, i ne baš siromašna, tako da je to to.
Ali Abaton... e on vec jeste, jer im je publika mnogo šira, jer su mnogo jeftiniji, a šta god mislili o papiru i uvezu, Abaton nema brljanja tipa poslednji MV, ili gomile tipfelera, pa cak je i prevod bolji. Abaton je našao lošu štampariju (neko mi rece da ih je neko odveo do te štamparije... fowl play?), ali su po svom pristupu sto puta profesionalnija firma od Systema.
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stinky
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Posted - 03/06/2004 : 23:08:44
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Ali bi bilo mnogo lepše imati sve to po Dnevnik kvalitetu, ali u 300.000 primeraka. A to se može postici samo jeftinim stripovima. 100 dinara, koliko Ludens košta u nas, a jo manje tih 16 kuna koliko košta u vas, nisu male pare. Tako nece doci do brojnosti. Ja cenim ono što Bernie radi - daje kolekcionarima ono što žele, i kao kolekcionar, presrecan sam zbog toga. Ali, nisam siguran da je to pravi put za strip uopšte. I dok ne budem bio siguran, milo mi je što postoji i alternativa.
DA LI JE MOGUCE DJOLE DA GOVORIŠ ISTO ŠTO I JA, JEFTINI STRIPOVI - KVALITETA NEVAŽNA? Cini mi se da smo se prije razlikovali u mišljenjima, tj. ti si bio drasticniji, je li to popuštanje ili zaokret. U svakom slucaju, slažem se s ovim recenim.
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Djole
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Posted - 03/06/2004 : 23:18:14
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Pazi ovako - ja jesam elitista, oduvek bio, zauvek cu biti.
Ali, postoji i nešto što se zove common good. Ako ce jeftini stripovi vratiti makar 5.000 ljudi stripovima (cuj - makar!), ja sam za. Nikada nisam pljuvao Stripoteku što je na lošem papiru u b&w (jesam što nekad ne umeju da skinu boju kako treba) za male pare, niti Svetov AF iz istih razloga, pa necu ni Abaton (mada mislim da treba još da smanje cenu).
Ali i tu treba praviti razliku. Stripovi koji izlaze u knjižarama NECE povecati broj stripofila, ma koliko ti škrtario na njihovoj opremi, te ne vidim razloga da onda ne idu u tvrdom povezu. A o tome što nam SC nudi ocajan kvalitet za velike pare da i ne govorimo.
Oprema nije nebitna, ali ako je podredana tome da se strip masovno prodaje, fine by me. Ako je pak podredena nesposobnosti izdavaca ili šibicarenju da bi se prodalo još svega pet do deset primeraka, to svakako ne mogu da podržim.
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Djole
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Posted - 04/06/2004 : 18:21:24
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Procitah ga.
Ne bih se složio sa dd fanom da je kvalitet isti (mada, u stvari, kada se sve prebije - jeste). Papir je malo bolji, nije onako dnevnikovski siv vec je normalno beo. S druge strane, štampa je malo gora, tako da ima crnih površina koje su više sive, i vec svega što sa tim ide.
btw, svega 2 tipfelera! ;)
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dd fan
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Posted - 04/06/2004 : 19:42:17
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quote: Originally posted by Djole
Procitah ga.
Ne bih se složio sa dd fanom da je kvalitet isti (mada, u stvari, kada se sve prebije - jeste). Papir je malo bolji, nije onako dnevnikovski siv vec je normalno beo. S druge strane, štampa je malo gora, tako da ima crnih površina koje su više sive, i vec svega što sa tim ide.
btw, svega 2 tipfelera! ;)
Play it again, Yortlebluzzgubbly.
Ja ne nameravam da ga citam, vec je ono sto sam rekao bila brza ocena, na osnovu jednog prelistavanja...
A te male razlike u papiru i stampi se verovatno ispoljavaju od broja do broja u okviru istog tiraza...
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Djole
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zosko
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Posted - 04/06/2004 : 20:01:50
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quote: Originally posted by Djole
Meni se nije raspao nijedan A s obzirom na to kako izgleda KP i MV za mnogo vece pare, ja se ne bih bunio.
Što se tice kvaliteta i ponude - Bernie nije ozbiljna opasnost Systemu na domacim kisocima, jer je publika otpirlike ista, i ne baš siromašna, tako da je to to.
Ali Abaton... e on vec jeste, jer im je publika mnogo šira, jer su mnogo jeftiniji, a šta god mislili o papiru i uvezu, Abaton nema brljanja tipa poslednji MV, ili gomile tipfelera, pa cak je i prevod bolji. Abaton je našao lošu štampariju (neko mi rece da ih je neko odveo do te štamparije... fowl play?), ali su po svom pristupu sto puta profesionalnija firma od Systema.
Play it again, Yortlebluzzgubbly.
ok, ok, kad se lista pincetom neko ih odveo do lose tiskare??? profesionalna firma??? ...??? siroka publika?????? kad sam ja poceo citati stripove postojao je samo jedan program, crno bijeli tv, magnetofon i ribolov sa lijeskovim prutom... sada, ma idi klincima, dijeli ih zabadava... ismijace te kakva siroka publika, idiotizam, proleteri misle s cime kupiti kruh i platiti rezije |
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Djole
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Posted - 04/06/2004 : 20:14:32
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Uuuuh, odakle poceti...
Prvo, da li u svet po tebi svi imaju satelitsku, PC, Playstation 2, ili su svi "proleteri" (mrske li reci!) koji nemaju para za hleba? Odluci se.
Meanwhile, in te real world, nit svi maju sve što si naveo, nit svi prosjace - negde izmedu dakle. Ako odbacimo faktor da se stripovi ne kupuju zbog besparice, a to ce sve manje i manje biti slucaj, ako uopšte više jeste, ostaje pitanje - kako to da se stripovi kupuju i tamo gde ljudi imaju i PC, i saetlitsku, i Playstation, pa još pride i kola za 16. rodendan?
Nije dakle ni stvar u višku drugih zanimacija. Problem je drugacije prirode, ali o tome drugom prilikom.
Poenta je prosta - na pravi nacin, strip može da dogura do 100.000 primeraka na teritoriji ex-YU. Samo treba do tog pravog nacina doci. Jedan od nacina su i ono što Svet/Stripoteka/Abaton rade. Mad bi mogli da to rade i bolje, ali dobro.
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Djole
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zosko
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Posted - 04/06/2004 : 20:22:14
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@ djole prvo: vecina su proleteri drugo: srednji sloj vise ne postoji (da nisi mozda neki hobi-politicar pa mislis suprotno?) 100000? da, moze i vise, na toalet papiru (ali isto samo na onom crvenom, jeftinom) |
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Djole
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Posted - 04/06/2004 : 20:31:10
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Aha, može da se kaže da sam "hobi" politicar. :))))))))
To po strani:
prvo - nisu. Cak ni u Srbiji nisu, a kamoli u Hrvatskoj ili Sloveniji.
drugo - srednji sloj se formira. Može meni ili tebi da se ne dopada od kojih se to ljudi formira, to je vec tema za neke druge forume, ali se formira. Imaju ljudi više para. Samo se plaše da ih troše. Proci ce i to. Ja ga cenim do kraja 2005., ako sve ide kako treba.
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dd fan
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Posted - 04/06/2004 : 20:39:23
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quote: Originally posted by Djole
Ne bih rekao, prva dva su bila istovetna.
Play it again, Yortlebluzzgubbly.
Mozda ona 2 koja si ti kupio, ili jos 10 onih koje si video. Ali ja sam nekako ubedjen da je to u dnevnikovoj stampariji po principu 100 kila(tabaka etc.) ovakvog papira, sto onakvog... 
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zosko
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Posted - 04/06/2004 : 20:45:01
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aha, politicar, nesto sam slutio... kako u sistemu koji bazira na konzumu proleterima prodati strip? a klinci se okupljaju kod sina lokalnog krkana na playstationu i sanjaju... inace da, ljudi imaju para, ali ako ih potrose na recimo hranu, slijede posljedice... kako platiti praznjenje septicke jame??? |
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Djole
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Posted - 04/06/2004 : 22:22:14
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Konfuzan ti je post. Šta si hteo da kažeš, kakvo sanjarenje, kakve posledice, kakve septicke jame?!
I šta si se uhvatio za proletere?!
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