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Darkwood Devil
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Posted - 27/07/2002 : 10:11:26
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Strpljenja prijatelju, za nekih desetak brojeva u extra seriji Zagora biti ce objavljen prvi susret sa vampirom. Vidim da nisi bas najupuceniji u to kako stoje stvari, iako je prica stara i mnogima poznata nije na odmet ponoviti je. Kada je 1996 SD pokrenla serijal extra Zagora zeljela je poceti sa necim vrlo dojmljivim pa su tako odabrali fenomenalnu epizodu "Zagor prica..." kako bi privukli sto veci broj citatelja. Potez je bio dobar no za mnoge od Nas krajnje tragican sa spoznajom da mozda nikada necemo imati prilike imati prvih 55 epizoda. Naime ta epizoda je po talijanskom redosljedu bila broj 56 dok se kod nas radilo o broju 1. Dvije godine je SD objavljivala prvih 30 brojeva sto je zapravo po talijanskoj numeraciji od broj 56 do 86. Ucestalim bombardiranjem pismima Nas velikih Zagorovih fanova, odlucili su se vratiti na broj 1 po originalu sto je u nasoj extra seriji broj 31. Pocetkom ove godine Ludens je preuzeo gotovo citavu Bonellijevu kolekciju od SD-a i uspjesno ide dalje. Trenutno smo po talijanskoj numeraciji na 45-om broju, dakle jos samo 10-ak brojeva i vracamo se na broj 86 gdje je prvi susret sa vampirom. Situacija je malo smusena ali se nadam da sam ti barem malo uspio objasniti kako stoje stvari. Ne znam da li si svijestan, ali medu prvih 55 epizoda po talijanskom redosljedu u bivsoj Jugi nikada nije objavljeno njih 21. Veliki dio preskocenih epizoda do sada je objavljen upravo u extra serijalu. Zavrsno sa brojem 54 kog nas ce to biti negdje oko broja 90 "Bozic kalibra 45", imat cemo priliku konacno procitati prvi susret Zagora sa vampirom. Time ce ostato jos samo jedna preskocena prica koja ce doci na red oko broja 170-180. Radi se o jos jednom velikom Zagorovom neprijatelju i njegovom povratku - Ben Stevens kralj orlova! Osim ove zavrzlame SD je preskocila i redovni serijal od broja 320 do 340 iz nepoznatih razloga. Ludens je i ovdje napravio pravi potez i od epizode "Sveto drvo" vratio se i na tih 20-ak preskocenih epizoda. Malo po malo i imat cemo kompletnog Zagora sto moras priznati uopce nece biti lose:-))
         
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angeliczg
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Posted - 27/07/2002 : 11:59:14
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Sto se tice izbacivanja vampira - to je bar lako objasnjivo. Dnevnik je izbjegavao bilo sto vezano uz vjeru - a protiv vampira se bori s krizem i vjerovanjem. Jednako tako je legendarni razlog zasto vampir ne ide za Zagorom i Cikom u crkvu (nigdje nije navedeno da je to crkva - moras to sam skuzit) u broju ZS612 - izgladnit ce ih "u toj velikoj i praznoj zgradi" pa ce morat izac :) I bojeve rakete se nisu pokazivale u trecem susretu sa Hellingenom itd itd...
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KOLEKCIONAR
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Posted - 27/07/2002 : 14:25:45
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Ovo je potpuno tacno..Sjetite se samo zagora u epizodi SULTANOVA RUKA, i vidjetcete daje dnevnik bio zaista protiv bilo kakvih vjerskih dodira.U orginalu je ALAHOVA RUKA sto nema nikakve veze sa ALAHOM. Jer svi znamo tkosu bili SULTANI, VEZIRI, i PASE. U marti misteriji VAMPIR U NJUJORKU po prvi puta spominje se rijec MUHAMEDANAC, sto ja zato nisam nikada prije cuo u svom zivotu. VAMPIR je rekao martiju kako nije vidio niti upoznao nijednoga muhamedanca kao vampira. Mislim daje angeliczg odlicno ovo objasnio...  
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djnd
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Posted - 27/07/2002 : 15:16:44
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Zanimljivo je da je Dnevnik menjao i imena pa se Rakosi zove Rakon, a Molnar Moner.To se desilo verovatno zbog brtatstva-jedinstva jer u NS zivi dosta Madjara pa ne prilici da vampir u stripu bude Madjar.
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Wahoomi
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Posted - 27/07/2002 : 16:47:14
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Onda je službena religija bio ateizam, a sigurno je bio i neki drug iz komiteta zadužen za takve stvari. Prezime Molnar postoji u Slavoniji i Vojvodini, a pretpostavljam i Rakosi, pa vjerovatno su htjeli izbjeci da se netko uvrijedi, a možda je i neki Rakosi radio u cenzuri. Kolekcionar je dobro primjetio za SULTANOVU RUKU. I meni je bilo cudno kako se kod SD zove ALAHOVA RUKA, a kod Dnevnika Sultanova. Izraz muhamedanci rijetko se upotrebljava za pripadnika islamske vjere npr. taj izraz su koristili Vuk Karadžic i Ante Starcevic. Ovi iz Dnevnika su vjerovatno htjeli izbjeci spominjanje imena MUSLIMAN pa su se odlucili za taj zastarjeli izraz. Zatim da li se netko sjeca da je Chico u Dnevnikovim izdanjima zazivao Svetu Djevicu od Pilara ili od Guadalupe??? Ako malo bolje usporedite naslovnice primjetit cete da je na naslovnici Mister Noa KARIPUNE (LMS 819) nestao križ sa groblja koji se nalazi u originalu (MN 112). Ali s druge strane nije bila baš totalna cenzura jer se u Texovim epizodama MESKALEROSI i ZVONO ZA LUCERA dio radnje odvija u katolickom samostanu i spominje se da je Lucero bio redovnik. Isto tako se pojavljuju dva fratra u Zagorovoj epizodi TVRDOKRILAC i nastavcima. I kod Kapetana Mikija u epizodama ABDULAHOV POVRATAK i GLAVA FARAONA TUTANKAMONA Mikijev prijatelj Abdulah cesto citira Knjigu Mudrosti i zaziva proroka(ali se ne spominje kojega). Na ovu temu bi se mogla napisati i knjiga. Bilo bi lijepo ako je još netko nešto primjetio da dolje napiše.
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KOLEKCIONAR
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Posted - 27/07/2002 : 19:00:53
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Samo bi jos dodao na ovo wahomijevo izvanredno zapazanje sledece. Tacnoje daje prezime RAKOSI MADJARSKOG porijekla, jer proslavljeni holi8vudski glumac za drakuline filmove se upravo zvao BELA RAKOSI...Kada je stio umrijeti trazio je daga sahrane u onom crnom mantilu koi muje donio slavu.I danas dan kada pitate u AMERICI koi je bio najbolji glumac za filmove o drakuli, sigurno ce vam 80% ljudi reci daje bio i ostao madjar BELA RAKOSI. Naravno tuje i nezaboravni KRISTOFER LI, zatim FRENK LANGELA.  
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Spectre
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KOLEKCIONAR
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dd fan
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Posted - 27/07/2002 : 20:34:39
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Ma ima tu jos gomila promena na naslovnicama.Evo jos nekih primera(nevezano za religiju):na naslovnici zs 317 "Bratic Simon" covek u pozadini nema u ustima cigaru kao sto je to slucaj na originalnoj naslovnici(ko zna zasto im je ovo smetalo);na naslovnici zs 367 u pozadini se vidi crna pecina ali to je sve dok na IT naslovnici iz te pecine izlazi cudoviste;sa naslovnice zs 374 izbrisana maceta kojom indijanac napada Zagora;zs 375 izbrisana strela iz ledja coveka kojeg Zagor drzi u narucju(mozda umire od side?!);zs 481 Zagor drzi Cika okacenog o uze mada se u originalu lepo vidi da to uopste nije Ciko!(mozda i jedina naslovnica koju su promenili na bolje );zs 520 i 521 ne treba ni komentarisati;zs 543 izbrisan je Kandrax iz pozadine(a i da ne spominjem da se u ovoj epizodi uopste ne pojavljuje Kandrax vec su pretumbali naslovnice!);zs 684 i 694 imaju identicne naslovnice;isti slucaj sa naslovnicama 815 i 942. A ovo su samo neki primeri samo kod Zagora...
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seinfeld
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Posted - 27/07/2002 : 20:56:42
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Da zastave su brisane , engleski jezik je brisan i osakecen ali sve u svemu moglo je jos gore biti.
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SejoSexon
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Posted - 27/07/2002 : 21:06:52
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Jebiga takva su vremena bila. Ali ipak smo ih rado citali.
Nije Ibro jarane nas fukara, Ibro ti je de facto umjetnik. Shvacas? |
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djnd
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Posted - 27/07/2002 : 21:35:23
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Da se nadovezem na dd fana: Na naslovnoj strani Ciko Serif je kod nas izbrisan covek na kome Ciko stoji ,a a iste su naslovne strane su i na LMS 40 i ZS 932 ili 933 , nisam siguran.
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KOLEKCIONAR
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Posted - 28/07/2002 : 00:50:14
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Stvarno je dobri stari i pokojni dnevnik bio neodoljiv. Nego sta bi onima u HORUSU da sasijeku oko 30 strana jednom od CIKOVIH epizoda. Jeli to bilo u prici CIKO NA OSTRVU SA BLAGOM, ili VOJNIK CIKO. Znam daje neko to vec rekao na forumu...  
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djnd
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dd fan
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Posted - 28/07/2002 : 02:40:24
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Ciko na ostrvu s blagom je ceo.
Ali ga nema nigde,ja ga video jednom u zivotu...
I've always been a nobody.When i was a child,my mother used to confuse me with my brother,even though i'm an only child.To this day she still thinks i'm my brother. |
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dd fan
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Posted - 28/07/2002 : 03:45:22
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Eh i da ne zaboravim naslovnicu "Prokletog blaga"!Na naslovnici se pored silnog blaga u onom kovcegu nalazi i lobanja,naravno Dnevnik je tu lobanju "elegantno" zamenio jednim lepim komadom grncarije...
I've always been a nobody.When i was a child,my mother used to confuse me with my brother,even though i'm an only child.To this day she still thinks i'm my brother. |
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Posted - 28/07/2002 : 05:32:33
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Ma oni su stvarno bili majstori... sve su to izmenjali a da mi nismo nista primetili dok nismo videli kako to izgleda na originalnim italijanskim stripovima
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fumettisti
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Posted - 28/07/2002 : 06:18:16
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no znate li jedan noviji talijanski podatak o cenzurama za nove naslovnice u serijama tutto i u stripovima doslovno zbog kojeg je bila velika panika pa i sudski proces protiv kuce BONELLI u italiji.radi se o tome da su udruge za zastitu zdravlja,anti alkoholicarske i grupe protiv pusenja trazile da se cenzurira sve ono sto navodi ljude na kupovinu alkohola i cigareta.pametni BONELLI osobno se je dosjetio sitne stvari i u novinama objavio ta optuzujuca pisma nakon cega je na sud doslo preko 200.000 pisama podrske protiv te kampanje za izmjenu u stripovima,naravno,slucaj je povucen iz procedure ali je ipak odredeno da se neke stvari moraju prilagoditi anti teroristickom i kontra nasilnom ponasanju.podatak iz strip revije.
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seinfeld
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Posted - 28/07/2002 : 12:19:34
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Ali ga nema nigde,ja ga video jednom u zivotu...
Pa kad ga ja imam ovdje onda se to mora i tamo naci! P.S. U Zagrebu i Splitu ljudi ga dabe nude toliko ih ima u Hrvatskoj,matori iz More Comics me pitao zar samo 100 kupujes imam ih jos 500 za prodaju   !
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bristova
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Posted - 28/07/2002 : 12:53:49
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Dobri su bili ti Dnevnikovi Cenzori.Moga ih je i George Bush uzest u sluzbu da mu cuvaju omiljenu Naciju od losih uticaja..
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dd fan
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Serbia
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Posted - 28/07/2002 : 14:44:21
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Znam za taj slucaj Seinfeld.Meni se cini da su svi primerci stripa "Ciko na ostrvu sa blagom" otisli za Hrvatsku... Ali nema veze sada im vracamo sa ovim Zagorovim specijalom!(evo idem danas ulicom i sve gazim po gomilama "Nultih godina Darkwooda",niko nece ni da ih pokupi sa zemlje koliko ih ima...)
         
I've always been a nobody.When i was a child,my mother used to confuse me with my brother,even though i'm an only child.To this day she still thinks i'm my brother. |
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djnd
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Posted - 28/07/2002 : 16:14:45
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Ali ga nema nigde,ja ga video jednom u zivotu...
Pa ja sam ga narucivao direktno od Horusa.Uplatis im pare na racun i onda ti oni posalju strip.Pricao sam i sa covekom iz Horusa o tome zasto ih nema na kioscinma i on kaze da su imali problema sa distribucijom (nisu im placali isporucene stripove) pa su Cika slali samo u neke gradove.Izmedju ostalih nije izasao ni u Beogradu. Tebi ne bi trebao da bude problem da prosetas do njih i licno kupis strip.
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Curunir
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Posted - 28/07/2002 : 16:54:44
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Da se vratim prvom pitanju: SD 1-30 = TUTTO 55-84 SD 31-75= TUTTO 1-37 (je'l ovo znaci da su prvi tutto imali vise stranica?...neke naslovnice sd ovdje su ocito bezvezne, iz samih stripova i sl.) dalje LUDENS 75-92 = TUTTO 38-54 LUDENS 93-235 = TUTTO 85 (vampir!)-235 (hopefully)
I can't believe these psychotic trees are still here, ruining my Angrenost and hurling themselves to Orthanc!! |
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VJ
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Posted - 28/07/2002 : 17:29:16
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SD 31-75= TUTTO 1-37 (je'l ovo znaci da su prvi tutto imali vise stranica?...neke naslovnice sd ovdje su ocito bezvezne, iz samih stripova i sl.)
Prva 23 talijanska broja Zagora imala su 128 stranica a SD je to preslagivala na 96 tako da se i izgubila poneka stranica ili pasica, a nove naslovnice su povecane i obojane slike iz samih stripova, neke (ne)objavljene Ferrijeve ilustracije ili pak naslovnice nekih drugih brojeva Zagora.
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SejoSexon
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