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kiky
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Posted - 10/02/2005 : 20:30:29  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit kiky's Homepage  Send kiky a Private Message
Uvijek me to zanimalo; tko i u kojem omjeru (postotku) ima prava na epizodu jednog stripa? Evo, uzmimo za primjer Dylan Doga i epizodu "Morganu"; koliko prava na tu epizodu ima Sclavi koji ju je osmislio, koliko Stano koji ju je nacrtao, a koliko Bonelli koji je izdaje?

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Dado
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Posted - 10/02/2005 : 20:42:13  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Dado a Private Message
Ovisi kako se dogovore, po mom skromnom misljenju.
Recimo mogu se dogovoriti da Bonelli plati crtaca za rad, no oni onda preuzimaju
sva prava i sve sto iz toga mogu izvuci.
Ili razne druge kombinacije.
Zbog slicnih (ne)sporazuma mislim da smo uskraceni za nekoliko brojeva Dylana
kao i za mnoge naslovnice Nathana...
Mislim da je u svemu bitan ugovor izmedju izdavaca i crtaca/autora.
Ukoliko su crtac/autor manje poznati vjerovarno ce izdavacka kuca izvuci vise za sebe...
No sto su prava mjerila i sto je najcesce, nemam pojma.
Srecom na forumu su i strucniji ljudi od mene i siguran sam da ce uskoro napisati
konkretnije i tocnije odgovore.
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Damjan
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Posted - 10/02/2005 : 20:42:17  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Damjan's Homepage  Send Damjan a Private Message
Pa, koliko se sjecam odnos crtac-scenarist je 70:30 ili barem tako bijaše jednom davno. Mislim da je to i Berardi rekao u jednom intervjuu, ali stvarno se ne sjecam dobro.
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Djole
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Posted - 10/02/2005 : 20:46:14  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Djole a Private Message
Zar 70-30 nije za podelu love, ali ne nužno i autoskih prava?

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kiky
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Posted - 10/02/2005 : 21:35:37  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit kiky's Homepage  Send kiky a Private Message
U slucaju DD Extra, ti problemi sa autorskim pravima, postoje zato jer kad je Castelinni otišao iz Bonellija, sa sobom je uzeo i sve svoje radove koje je za njih nacrtao, pa zato nema reprinta "Šestog cula" a jednako tome je dokaz i to što ne možemo da uživamo niti u njegovim naslovnicama Nathana Nevera izdanima u nas u zadnje vrijeme... znaci, u ovom slucaju ocito je crtac taj koji ima pravo na najveci dio.

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Nobody
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Posted - 10/02/2005 : 21:47:28  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Nobody a Private Message
prava su komplicirana stvar, ......, zato smo mi u minusu

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Zox
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Posted - 10/02/2005 : 23:13:32  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Zox's Homepage  Send Zox a Private Message
Ja se susrecem sa sljedecim omjerima.
70 crtac, 30 scenarista, jer se uzima u obzir vrijeme provedeno na tabli, ali samo za prvo izdanje, u maticnoj izdavackoj kuci.
Ako se strip dostampa, ili izda u nekoj drugoj zemlji, postotci postaju za ta iduca izdanja 50 na 50, jer se smatra da je crtac vec kompenziran prvi put, pa se dijeli na pola jer je i kreativni udio pola-pola.
Bah, meni licno je ovo malo glupo, ali svakako nisam ni dogurao do tog reprinta, ili izdanja u drugoj zemlji...
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DeeCay
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Posted - 11/02/2005 : 22:36:23  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send DeeCay a Private Message
Kako u Bonelliju placaju crtace? Po tabli na sat ili imaju radno vrijeme od 8-16 i to je to?

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---dp---
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Posted - 11/02/2005 : 23:37:45  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send ---dp--- a Private Message
Pa ako su Casteliniju platili kad je crtao, kako je onda on mogao da uzme svoje crteze nazad? Osim ako nisu imali drugaciji dogovor od pocetka?
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Markos
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Posted - 12/02/2005 : 10:28:05  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Markos's Homepage  Send Markos a Private Message
Crtaci se placaju po tabli. Castelliniju (i svima ostalima valjda) plate za tablu i za prvo objavljivanje, svako naknadno objavljivanje znaci da se opet autorima plati neki postotak, cini mi se. I originalne table su vlasnistvo autora, on ih moze uzeti sebi kad hod zeli. BAr u Bonelliju.

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Zox
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Posted - 12/02/2005 : 14:39:42  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Zox's Homepage  Send Zox a Private Message
Da, nekad davno to nije bio slucaj, sad uglavnom svi tako rade. Plate za ONO STO JE NA TABLI, ali tabla fizicki pripada crtacu.
Usput, Brindisi je organizovao nekakvo bidanje za BLOK tabli DD200. Bas se pitam koliko ce uzeti za to...
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Markos
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Posted - 12/02/2005 : 19:38:09  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Markos's Homepage  Send Markos a Private Message
Bidanje, u smislu na Ebayu ili...?

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Zox
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Posted - 12/02/2005 : 19:53:47  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Zox's Homepage  Send Zox a Private Message
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---dp---
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Posted - 13/02/2005 : 04:42:17  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send ---dp--- a Private Message
Sve to moze biti stvar dogovora... ja ne znam kakva je inace praksa, ali mi je nekako logicno da se autoru plati prilikom svakog objavljivanja. Ako ne bi bilo tako, onda bi trebalo autoru platiti mnogo vise inicijalno.
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risbozg
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Posted - 13/02/2005 : 09:50:15  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send risbozg a Private Message
i ja mislim da je stvar dogovora - kuca može platiti i veci postotak i zadržati table ali im se možda ne isplati - ko zna

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Markos
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Posted - 13/02/2005 : 11:42:57  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Markos's Homepage  Send Markos a Private Message
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Zox
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Posted - 13/02/2005 : 21:00:03  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Zox's Homepage  Send Zox a Private Message
Inace, lik koji drzi tu internet stranicu je posjetilac cravenroad7 foruma, pa ga se moze i pitati kolika je otprilike cifra u igri.

Usput, o autorskim pravima, Kordej, dok je radio za Marvel, je u jednom intervjuu rekao da Marvel ima neku politiku da placa duplo vise po tabli pod uslovom da ne crtas ni za kog drugog.
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Markos
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Posted - 13/02/2005 : 21:06:08  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Markos's Homepage  Send Markos a Private Message
Za Marvel je mislim Kordej objasnio da je to samo za one koji imaju ekskluzivan ugovor... Ajd, bas ga pitaj za cifru:-)

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Zox
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Posted - 14/02/2005 : 01:16:34  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Zox's Homepage  Send Zox a Private Message
Pa da, ekskluzivni ugovor, na to sam i mislio.
Sto nije lose. Umjesto da radis svesku za njih i svesku za nekog drugog, radis dvije za njih po duploj cijeni.
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Djole
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Posted - 14/02/2005 : 02:18:07  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Djole a Private Message
Ccc... a gde je tu kreativna sloboda?! ;)

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Posted - 14/02/2005 : 04:36:42  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send ---dp--- a Private Message
Pa u sklapanju ugovora
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Markos
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Posted - 14/02/2005 : 10:43:08  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Markos's Homepage  Send Markos a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Zox

Pa da, ekskluzivni ugovor, na to sam i mislio.
Sto nije lose. Umjesto da radis svesku za njih i svesku za nekog drugog, radis dvije za njih po duploj cijeni.



Da, to je jako dobro, pogotovo za nekog radisnog i brzog kao Kordej:-)

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