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Koresh
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Posted - 23/05/2005 : 18:13:47
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Prva stvar koja me zanima su ljestvice najboljih Texovih prica. Cesto se na Texovim recenzijama spominju te neke ljestvice, npr.?ova je prica medu 10 najboljih po tom i tom izboru? itd. Mene zanima ako se to uopce moze naci na internetu, a ako moze onda bi bio dobar kakav link. Drugo sto me zanima je koje su Texove price kod nas izašle sa Mefistom, osim Mefistovog kraha i Belog vraca za koje znam. Fala!
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I like girlz
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Posted - 23/05/2005 : 18:40:36
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meni osobno je tex postao zanimljiv tek kada ga je preuzeo nizzi, i sve epizode koje su meni drage zapocinju upravo s tim periodom, jer tek tada je tex postigao svoj prepoznatljivi kvalitet. |
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osim
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Posted - 23/05/2005 : 19:02:27
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ja nikad nisam narocito voleo texa, ali je to verovatno zato sto se nisam u startu sreo sa zanimljivim epizodama, pa bi mogao zaista neko da preporuci neke dobre za pocetnike... |
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dule_car
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Posted - 23/05/2005 : 19:37:12
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Ja sam se navukao tek sa izdanjem SD/ludensa...tj. kad je nastupilo pomanjkanje Gallepinija:))...
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Prodigy
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Posted - 23/05/2005 : 20:55:48
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Upravo sam procitao ZS 308 "Vatre u noci" i nemogu vjerovati da je epizoda pocela totalno nepovezano na onu zadnju(ZS 302),vjerojatno su uskocili negdje u pola originala i zapoceli bez ikakvog predhodnog uvoda i objasnjenja,pa i nakon procitanog stripa jos nemogu povezati konce ko tu koga,s cim i zasto? Ovo mi je za sada najveci Dnevnikov kiks koji sam primjetio! S takvim rezanjem epizoda nije ni cudno da se tesko navuci na Teksa,moras biti kauboj u dusi!
PINOCCIO:Tata,zasto si mi napravio kockastog pisu pa me cure ne vole?! GIEPPETO:Uzmi smirgl i popravi! (poslje nekog vremena) GIEPPETO:I sta kazu cure? PINOCCIO:Ma koje cure,smirgl je zakon!!! |
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Dado
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Posted - 23/05/2005 : 22:31:23
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quote: Originally posted by Prodigy
PINOCCIO:Tata,zasto si mi napravio kockastog pisu pa me cure ne vole?! GIEPPETO:Uzmi smirgl i popravi! (poslje nekog vremena) GIEPPETO:I sta kazu cure? PINOCCIO:Ma koje cure,smirgl je zakon!!!
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JORGE
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Posted - 24/05/2005 : 00:44:35
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Ja nisam bio neki veliki ljubitelj teksa (još tamo osamdesetih godina), al mi se polako poceo svidati s vremenom, tamo negdje kada su izašle ove epizode: ratni požar, bekstvo iz andervila, argument kalibra 45, pukovnik vatson, cejen klub, itd. Uglavnom u vrijeme kada su izašle ove epizode (dnevnikove) nekako mi se poceo svidati, a i sad mi vecina ovih prica u Ludensovom izdanju dobro "legne".
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Posted - 24/05/2005 : 00:56:26
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quote: Originally posted by JORGE
Ja nisam bio neki veliki ljubitelj teksa (još tamo osamdesetih godina), al mi se polako poceo svidati s vremenom, tamo negdje kada su izašle ove epizode: ratni požar, bekstvo iz andervila, argument kalibra 45, pukovnik vatson, cejen klub, itd. Uglavnom u vrijeme kada su izašle ove epizode (dnevnikove) nekako mi se poceo svidati, a i sad mi vecina ovih prica u Ludensovom izdanju dobro "legne".
eh, upravo si nabrojao sve one epizode zbog kojih sam i ja zavolio texa , samo si zaboravio još dvije, a to su "usijani rezervat" i "covjek kostur". sjecam se da sam "covjek kostur" citao na nekom casu sa prijateljem iz klupe i da nas je nastavnica "uhvatila na djelu" i oduzela nam strip i nije nam ga htjela vratiti citavu sedmicu  |
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JORGE
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Posted - 24/05/2005 : 01:03:27
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Bas sam mislio nabrojat i te dvije (koja slucajnost) al nisam htjeo pretjerivati. I jos one epizode nemogu se sjetit naziva (al mislim da je crtao villa) o nekom brodu u nekom kanjonu, a u dnu tog starog drvenog broda je bio prolaz kroz pecine do neke doline koju su naselili neki ljudi ako se nevaram istocnjaci tj kinezi ili indijci, bilo je 3 nastavka. |
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JORGE
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Posted - 24/05/2005 : 01:32:22
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 Ovo su bili Texovi koje sam zadnje procitao u izdanju Dnevnika. A bilo je to za vrijeme granatiranja Vinkovaca dok sam živio u podrumu, pa za vrijeme jednog prestanka uzbune moj stari išo naci neku otvorenu trgovinu da kupi neke klope a ja mu reko da naide na željeznicki kolodvor da mi kupi neki strip. I tako se on vratio sa sva ova tri nastavka, jer su se tada prodavali svi stripovi koji su ostali na zalihama, a novi nisu odavno stizali zbog rata. I tako sam si malo kratio vrijeme u podrumu. |
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Posted - 24/05/2005 : 01:56:41
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zadnje dvije texove epizode, a ujedno i zadnje od ZS uopce što je izašlo kod nas u sarajevu su ZS 1081 "zenda" i 1081 "gavranovo pero" i sjecam se da je vec tada bio opci haos u gradu od pucnjave, snajpera i svega ostalog i ni dan danas mi nije jasno kako su uopce stigli na kioske uslijed svog tog haosa. |
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Koresh
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Posted - 24/05/2005 : 07:22:27
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quote: Originally posted by I like girlz
meni osobno je tex postao zanimljiv tek kada ga je preuzeo nizzi, i sve epizode koje su meni drage zapocinju upravo s tim periodom, jer tek tada je tex postigao svoj prepoznatljivi kvalitet.
Uz nekoliko iznimaka potpuno se slazem s tobom. |
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corto33
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Posted - 24/05/2005 : 07:54:59
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Na UBC su ove epizode izabrane kao najbolje. Zanimljivo, ni jednu nije pisao Nizzi :) U zagradama stoji, u kojim nasim edicijama su bile objavljene i za koje ja znam.
407/409 Il passato di Carson Boselli / Marcello (SD 38,39,40) 113/115 Tra due bandiere G.L.Bonelli / Galep 125/128 Il figlio di Mefisto G.L.Bonelli / Galep 190/191 El Muerto Nolitta / Galep 51/53 Sangue Navajo G.L.Bonelli / Galep 101/103 El Morisco G.L.Bonelli / Letteri (ZS 707-710) 103/106 Fort Defiance G.L.Bonelli / Galep (ZS 721-723) 141/145 Il grande intrigo G.L.Bonelli/ Nicol#242; (ZS 253-258) 121/124 La croce tragica G.L.Bonelli / Galep 151/154 Mescaleros G.L.Bonelli / Letteri (ZS 276,277)
I jos najbolji crtez (Migliori Disegni)
g9 La valle del terrore Magnus 190/191 El Muerto Galep 381/384 Un artiglio nel buio Claudio Villa 125/128 Il figlio di Mefisto Galep 135/137 Diablero Guglielmo Letteri 121/124 La croce tragica Giovanni Ticci 113/115 Tra due bandiere Up [1k] Galep 407/409 Il passato di Carson Up [1k] Carlo Marcello 101/103 El Morisco Down [1k] Guglielmo Letteri 423/425 L'uomo senza passato New [1k] Claudio Villa
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alen
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Posted - 24/05/2005 : 08:32:50
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quote: Originally posted by I like girlz
quote: Originally posted by JORGE
Ja nisam bio neki veliki ljubitelj teksa (još tamo osamdesetih godina), al mi se polako poceo svidati s vremenom, tamo negdje kada su izašle ove epizode: ratni požar, bekstvo iz andervila, argument kalibra 45, pukovnik vatson, cejen klub, itd. Uglavnom u vrijeme kada su izašle ove epizode (dnevnikove) nekako mi se poceo svidati, a i sad mi vecina ovih prica u Ludensovom izdanju dobro "legne".
eh, upravo si nabrojao sve one epizode zbog kojih sam i ja zavolio texa , samo si zaboravio još dvije, a to su "usijani rezervat" i "covjek kostur". sjecam se da sam "covjek kostur" citao na nekom casu sa prijateljem iz klupe i da nas je nastavnica "uhvatila na djelu" i oduzela nam strip i nije nam ga htjela vratiti citavu sedmicu 
  Vidim da razmisljamo isto. Genijalne epizode!!!
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Thommo
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Posted - 24/05/2005 : 08:59:06
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Meni je u ZS dobra i Ubojstvo u Corpus Christiju, crtao Civitelli.
Zlatno doba Texa po kvaliteti prica smatra se 100-200 (Talijanski originali), kade je stari G.L. Bonelli jos bio u naponu snage. Na zalost, upravo iz ovog perioda ZS je dosta preskocila.
Neke koje nije: Kamen smrti (4 nastavka), Teksova zakletva (3 nastavka ZS 721-723, prica o Teksovoj osveti ubojicama zene mu Lilith).
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perper
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Posted - 24/05/2005 : 09:46:25
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quote: Originally posted by Koresh
Prva stvar koja me zanima su ljestvice najboljih Texovih prica. Cesto se na Texovim recenzijama spominju te neke ljestvice, npr.?ova je prica medu 10 najboljih po tom i tom izboru? itd. Mene zanima ako se to uopce moze naci na internetu, a ako moze onda bi bio dobar kakav link. Drugo sto me zanima je koje su Texove price kod nas izašle sa Mefistom, osim Mefistovog kraha i Belog vraca za koje znam. Fala!
Nije izasla vise nijedna epizoda sa Mefistom. Kada je trebala da izade jedna od najboljih epizoda Texa, i ne samo Texa vec svih junaka uopste (125/128 Il figlio di Mefisto G.L.Bonelli / Galep) Dnevnik je je jednostavno preskocio !  I nastavio da izdaje kasnije epizode. To je po meni period kada su objavljene najbolje Texove epizode kod nas. Od broja 160 ZS (i neki, ne mogu tacno da se setim koji je to broj) pa sve do broja 302 ZS ( to su epizode po italijanskom br. 110 (oko) pa sve do 161.IT), posle koga pocinje sa izdavanjem epizoda medu prvih 50 brojeva Texa po it. br. To je upravo i odgovor, na pitanje:
Upravo sam procitao ZS 308 "Vatre u noci" i nemogu vjerovati da je epizoda pocela totalno nepovezano na onu zadnju(ZS 302),vjerojatno su uskocili negdje u pola originala i zapoceli bez ikakvog predhodnog uvoda i objasnjenja,pa i nakon procitanog stripa jos nemogu povezati konce ko tu koga,s cim i zasto?
Inace su te prve epizode Texa nekako konfuzne i nedorecene. Cesto sa glupim pocecima i jos glupljim krajevima.
Ali, sve ono sto je islo posle broja 100 (it.br.) je po meni odlicno. Mogu se porediti sa onim Zagorovim epizodama izmedu 100 i 200 (it. br.)
Definitivno je neko iz Dnevnika kriv sto Tex danas izlazi samo jednom u dva meseca. Jer, da su nastavili da objavljuju epizode Texa redosledom posle broja 302 ZS (znaci, epizode po it. br. 162 - 275) koje su inace preskocene, siguran sam da bi Tex danas imao mnogo, mnogo vise fanova na ovim prostorima...
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Thommo
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Posted - 24/05/2005 : 10:10:45
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Zanimljiva je i epizoda sa Gundarima, nešto tipa ludi naucnik, ostavština svemirske civilizacije, nešto u stilu Martina Misterea u Texu! Ali je scenarij dosta loš, znam da kad sam citao bilo mi je žao što to nisu bolje napravili, jer je predložak price jako zanimljiv. Pojavljuje se i Gros Jean, u ZS = Debeli Žan! :)
Autori te price su G.L. Bonelli, a crtali su Nicolo i Monti.
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chemako
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Posted - 24/05/2005 : 10:28:21
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Po meni Tex ima dva dobra perioda u ZS i to od broja ZS166 "Covjek iz Kentakija" do ZS302 "Krater strave" i od broja ZS801 "Miltonov testamnet" pa dalje do kraja ZS pa preko SD do Ludensa gdje su sve epizode po meni bile od vrlodobrih do izvrsnih (osim rijetkih izuzetaka). Do broja ZS166 trebalo bi još izdvojiti ZS18(po meni izvrsna epizoda) i 19,koje nisu reprintirani poslije,i ZS 25,33,34,35(nešto lošiji)36 i 37 pa i 46 koji su poslije reprintirani (osim br.46). Od LMS su meni dobre sve epizode do broja LMS44,s tim da nisam citao LMS26 i 62 pa ne mogu sudit.Ipak bi istakao broj LMS8 (koji nije reprintiran) pa 23 (isto nije),a možda i LMS2 bez obzira što je nekako nepovezan,nije krenuo od pocetka,isto kao i ZS19.Tu bi još istaknuo brojeve 5,14,15,16,18 i 41 koji su kasnije reprintirani pa ih nije problem nabaviti,a vjerovatno nisu ni skupi. Iako je poslije bilo brojeva u LMS koji su kljucni za "razvoj" Tex-a kao npr.smrt njegove žene,rodenje sina,upoznavanje sa debelim Žanom,Ðimom Brendonom itd. to su po meni epizode nezanimjive i dosadne,možda su bile interesantne prije 40 godina kad su radene,a isto tako mislim i o epizodama od ZS302 do 801 osim par epizoda koji odudaraju od tog sivila. |
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johnhartson
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Posted - 24/05/2005 : 10:40:49
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Eh, da mi je upoznati nekog iz Dnevnika ko je odgovarao za izdavanje Texa. Da su uvek izdavali Texa korektno, kao sto su poceli pred sam kraj svog serijala, Tex bi ovde bio sigurno medju najomiljenijim junacima. Ovako su price vise nego nepovezane, bitne epizode bez razloga preskakane, ove koje su objavljivane bez razloga kasapljene, itd. To me podseti na pricu "Zakon Roja Bina". Tu je kraj istrgnut, zar ne? Jel' neko citao italijanski original pa da zna kako se prica zavrsava?
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tantus
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Posted - 24/05/2005 : 10:49:01
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quote: Originally posted by Koresh
Prva stvar koja me zanima su ljestvice najboljih Texovih prica. Cesto se na Texovim recenzijama spominju te neke ljestvice, npr.?ova je prica medu 10 najboljih po tom i tom izboru? itd. Mene zanima ako se to uopce moze naci na internetu, a ako moze onda bi bio dobar kakav link. Drugo sto me zanima je koje su Texove price kod nas izašle sa Mefistom, osim Mefistovog kraha i Belog vraca za koje znam. Fala!
Kao klinac nisam voleo Teksa, on i Ken Parker su mi bili previše "ozbiljni". Posle sam prešao na druge stripove i tek skoro, citanjem novijih epizoda u izdanju Ludensa sam se zainteresovao za njega.
Teško je napraviti paralelu izmedu originala i izdanja Dnevnika, jer su sve izdavali pretumbano, sa promenjenim naslovnim stranama i imenima epizoda, tako da ne verujem da ce se skoro na ovim stranama pojaviti usporedni popis. Na forumu sam našao podatak da su do sada preskocene sledece originalne epizode: 109-113, 125-128 (Mefistov sin - medu prvih 10 na ubc-u), 162-180, 183-210, 214-275, 300, 354-369. Mefisto se do sada pojavio 6 puta u originalima. 3, 39-40, 78-80, 93-95, 125-128, 162-164, 265-268 i 501-504. Mislim da su Mefistov krah i Beli vrac epizode 78-80 i 93-95, a ne znam pod kojim nazivima su izašle u Dnevniku prethodne dve. Kao što vidiš ostale epizode su ili preskocene ili tek treba da izadu. Onako približno, gledajuci naslovne strane i nazive epizoda cini mi se da su epizode od 114 do 160 izašle u ZS od 160 do 300. Obzirom da to smatraju u Italiji zlatnim periodom Teksa, to se u svakom slucaju isplati procitati. |
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Thommo
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Posted - 24/05/2005 : 11:25:11
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Slažem se s Tantusom, s tim da ocajni (u nekim trenucima smješni) prijevod strašno umanjuje zadovoljstvo citanja!
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Koresh
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Posted - 24/05/2005 : 16:42:53
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quote: Originally posted by Thommo
Zanimljiva je i epizoda sa Gundarima, nešto tipa ludi naucnik, ostavština svemirske civilizacije, nešto u stilu Martina Misterea u Texu! Ali je scenarij dosta loš, znam da kad sam citao bilo mi je žao što to nisu bolje napravili, jer je predložak price jako zanimljiv. Pojavljuje se i Gros Jean, u ZS = Debeli Žan! :)
Autori te price su G.L. Bonelli, a crtali su Nicolo i Monti.
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Upravo neki dan sam je prvi put procitao, i mogu reci da mislim vrlo slicno sto i ti o njoj. Odlicna ideja, lose sprovedena. A bas sam mislio i recenziju o njoj napiasti, ali nisam siguran da li cu. |
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Koresh
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Posted - 24/05/2005 : 16:52:11
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Što se tice mojih najboljih epizoda to je period od negdje ZS broja 800 i od onda mi se Tex vise svidja. Bilo je sjajnih epizoda u tom periodu (bijeg iz andervila, ubojstvo u corpus kristiju, zenda itd.) kada je Nizzi poceo pisati skoro sve scenarije za Texa. I strasno mi je zao sto Slobodna je preskocila dio (Cihuahua, Alcatraz), cujem da su to sjajne price. Osobno mislim da je SD trebala poceti zdavati negdje od epizode Snegom dalekog sjevera, koja je izasla u ZS, ali jako je rijedak taj strip kao i ovi poslije njega, a kvalitetni su.
Mene je jos kod ZS smetalo to sto se ne drzi originalnih naslova pa je tesko pratiti s originalima. |
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Vladan
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Posted - 24/05/2005 : 18:06:10
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Od svih ZS, LMS junaka najmanje sam voleo Teksa, a citao sam da je baš on u Italiji bio najpopularniji i da je najduže izlazio a izlazi još i uvek.
Nisam ga citao sigurno jedno 10 godina, ali se secam nekih epizoda sa nekim protivnikom Mefistom i nekih koje se dešavaju u nekakvoj Kineskoj Cetvrti. Pretpostavljam cim se secam tih da su one bile OK.
Potsetite me malo na Teksovu biografiju, tj. dodajte ako nešto pogrešim.
Kauboj koji se oženio cerkom poglavice Navahosa. I on postaje poglavica navahosa, a istovremeno je i rendžer. Ima prijatelja Kita Karsona, koji je u prošlosti bio neki zloca, sina ???? i pratioca indijanca Tajger Džeka iz Navahosa. Žena mu je ubijena ili umrla? Mislim i da uvek jaše istog konja po imenu????
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