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Obi-wan
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Kažu neki da nisu bili zadovoljni kvalitetom Dnevnikovih stripova jer su korice bile meke, papir loš, a ljepilo takvo da strip ne može izdržati dulje od 20-30 godina. Samo 20-30 godina....

Slobodna Dalmacija kažu nije uvijek imala najkvalitetniji papir. Ipak, ti stripovi s lošim papirom su još uvijek isti kao i kada su kupljeni prije desetak godina.

Ludens je sjajan, papir prva klasa, korice tvrde, trajat ce vjecno - pod uvjetom da ga ne otvarate.

Kupio sam Dylan Dog special za 25 kuna u trafici. Glancer ko iz price. Otvorio sam ga, malo prelistao i odmah su mu pocele ispadati stranice. Otprilike od 130 do 160. Iako sam ga otvorio sasvim malo(kut 45 max.), jedan citav segment se odvojio i poceo listati u pojedinacne stranice. Sada to više nije glancer. A što je? Glancer sa 30 ispalih stranica? Ocuvan za 3 ili 4?
Reci cu vam što je. Kupus placen 25 kuna ciji ce kvalitetni papir i tvrde korice fino krasiti kantu za smece.
Iznerviran svojim lijepim novim stripom, otvorio sam Ludensov strip potpuno, prvi put u životu - kao što normalan covjek cita. Pogodite što je bilo...
Pukao je momentalno i stranice su pocele ispadati tu gdje sam ga otvorio.

Pouka koju sam ja izvukao iz ovoga je da je ipak nacin uvezivanja najvažniji kod trajnosti i kvalitete stripa, i da je Ludens na žalost na tom polju potpuno razocarao.
Ako želite da vam strip stoji u vitrini, bez da ste ga procitali, onda je sve ok. Možete ga obljepiti selotejpom okolo da se ni ne otvara. Ako ste kojim slucajem izgubljen slucaj i nostalgicar kao i ja koji voli povremeno procitati strip, razocarat cete se ili vec jeste...

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Star Wars
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 20:51:37  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Star Wars's Homepage  Send Star Wars a Private Message
Nikada nisam imao taj slucaj sa stripom..... Nadam se da niti necu.
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seinfeld
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 21:03:28  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send seinfeld a Private Message
Pa , ja bi vratio taj strip i trazio novi i to licno od Bernarda !
Pjeske bi otisao do Zagreba.
:-)

"There goes neighbourhood..."
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Vorador
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 21:04:47  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Vorador's Homepage  Send Vorador a Private Message
Da. Ludens stavrno ima katastrofalno loš uvez. Ja sam recimo imao problema sa nekim Nathan Neverima i Zagor Specijalima. Onaj famozni DD Specijal koji se svima raspadao meni je OK. Isti problem primjetio sam i na izdanjima Strip-Agenta tocnije na zadnja 3 AF Klasika i jednom Mister Nou.
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Obi-wan
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 21:06:47  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Obi-wan a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by seinfeld

Pa , ja bi vratio taj strip i trazio novi i to licno od Bernarda !
Pjeske bi otisao do Zagreba.
:-)

"There goes neighbourhood..."


Pomislio sam i ja na to, ali nije mi to jedini takav strip. Taj se samo najbrže raspao. Ako naprtim sve, oznojit cu se do Zagreba po toj vrucini.

>>> I hope the party in my head never stops <<<
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sdragan@
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 21:11:21  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send sdragan@ a Private Message

"obi-wan"
Kažu neki da nisu bili zadovoljni kvalitetom Dnevnikovih stripova jer su korice bile meke, papir loš, a ljepilo takvo da strip ne može izdržati dulje od 20-30 godina. Samo 20-30 godina....
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Trajace oni mnogo duze nego sto im zlobnici prognoziraju,ja jos uvek imam stripove koje sam kupovao jos davne 82-83 god. i sjajno izgledaju,e bas da cujem nekog ko ce mi tvrditi da nece izdrzati jos 20-30 god.
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Obi-wan
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 21:14:07  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Obi-wan a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by sdragan@


"obi-wan"
Kažu neki da nisu bili zadovoljni kvalitetom Dnevnikovih stripova jer su korice bile meke, papir loš, a ljepilo takvo da strip ne može izdržati dulje od 20-30 godina. Samo 20-30 godina....
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Trajace oni mnogo duze nego sto im zlobnici prognoziraju,ja jos uvek imam stripove koje sam kupovao jos davne 82-83 god. i sjajno izgledaju,e bas da cujem nekog ko ce mi tvrditi da nece izdrzati jos 20-30 god.



Pa i da traju 20 godina, ipak je to puno bolje nego 20 sekundi koliko je moj Ludens potrajao.

>>> I hope the party in my head never stops <<<
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zosko
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 21:15:02  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send zosko a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by seinfeld

Pa , ja bi vratio taj strip i trazio novi...

svidja mi se ideja. mislim da cu ubuduce tako i postupiti. ovo vec predugo traje. ako tiskara nije u stanju uvezati najobicniji strip, neka prodaje kokice po kinima.

prije par mjeseci se veselila trgovina kojoj sam vratio hrpu njemakog saf-dd-a i lijepo mi vratili novce jer nisu uspjeli nista naci bez "fehlbindunga"
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vice
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 21:25:45  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send vice a Private Message
Istina da Ludens nema baš neki uvez a u zadnje vrime mi pomalo smeta uvez kod predzadnje strane-primjerice kod Duginog mosta- koji je vjerojatno svima poznat jer ta stranica nije spojena s ostalim pa to može uzrokovat mali raspad.Stoga maksimalno pazim.
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sdragan@
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 21:30:09  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send sdragan@ a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by vice

Istina da Ludens nema baš neki uvez a u zadnje vrime mi pomalo smeta uvez kod predzadnje strane-primjerice kod Duginog mosta- koji je vjerojatno svima poznat jer ta stranica nije spojena s ostalim pa to može uzrokovat mali raspad.Stoga maksimalno pazim.


Mora biti mucan osecaj kada citas strip i moras paziti da ti se ne raspadne u rukama(kao supernova!)
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wiz
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 21:34:22  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send wiz a Private Message
ja sam kupio jednog..kojeg sam procitao i koji je razpao...drugog nisam ni otvarao, vec sam ga spakirao u vrecicu i stavio na svoje mesto... mislim da govoriš o Snovima :) zato su i napravlili ediciju sa HC koricama :D

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fishleg
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 21:37:53  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send fishleg a Private Message
Da, mislim da je jedina slaba tocka Ludensovih stripova ljepilo.
Pogledajte npr. ZEX 105, ondje je takvo ljepilo kakvo treba biti.

Ima dana kad se smijem ima noci kada pijem
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sdragan@
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 21:39:55  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send sdragan@ a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by fishleg

Da, mislim da je jedina slaba tocka Ludensovih stripova ljepilo.
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alen
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 21:49:19  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send alen a Private Message
Kod mene nikad nikakvih problema. Sve strane stoje gdje treba. Ako krene nagore javim...
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Vorador
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 21:54:39  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Vorador's Homepage  Send Vorador a Private Message
Samo se nadam da ce se ljepilo i uvez jednog dana poboljšati.
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vice
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 21:56:00  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send vice a Private Message
Da "Ocean" a i "Bijeg u slobodu" imaju idealan uvez.Inace vecina stripova je dobra ali ima nekih kao Snovi koji su greška u sustavu.
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TORQUE
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 21:59:13  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send TORQUE a Private Message
Nije to samo problem sa ludensom,dnevnikom,SD....
Nego i sa amerikancoma,isto tako mi se raspao strip Matrix vol. 1 i 2! te neki Punisheri,AVPi....
Daš oko 200kn za jedan strip i onda ti ispadaju stranice,to je ipak gore nego 25kn!
To se uopce nebi smjelo dešavat!

It's going to be blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They're back!
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sdragan@
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 22:09:11  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send sdragan@ a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by TORQUE


Daš oko 200kn za jedan strip i onda ti ispadaju stranice,to je ipak gore nego 25kn!
!


i od goreg ima gore!!!
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marlowe
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 22:18:28  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit marlowe's Homepage  Send marlowe a Private Message
ludensovo lepljenje je ocajno. papir nije kvalitetan uopste. ludens lepo izgleda na oko, ali je veoma falican.

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zosko
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 22:19:11  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send zosko a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by sdragan@

quote:
Originally posted by fishleg

Da, mislim da je jedina slaba tocka Ludensovih stripova ljepilo.



uvez je slaba strana. sta tebe jos zulja??? navikao si da sta god uzmes u ruku drugacije izgleda mada je iz istog serijala, pa te zbunjuje da je ludens kvalitetan po tom pitanju?
recimo, broj izdanja napisan uvijek na istoj visini??? isti papir, konstantan broj stranica i, zamisli, ista debljina??
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zveles
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 22:21:44  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send zveles a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by TORQUE

Nije to samo problem sa ludensom,dnevnikom,SD....
Nego i sa amerikancoma,isto tako mi se raspao strip Matrix vol. 1 i 2! te neki Punisheri,AVPi....
Daš oko 200kn za jedan strip i onda ti ispadaju stranice,to je ipak gore nego 25kn!
To se uopce nebi smjelo dešavat!

It's going to be blood for blood and by the gallon. These are the old days, the bad days, the all-or-nothing days. They're back!

da, to je taj isti problem kojeg imaju sve knjige/stripovi sto su ljepljeni po rubu. ni trejdove ne smijes jako otvoriti da ne puknu (obicno se to dogadja izmedju 2. i 3. lista unutra), pa onda ne mozes ni rasiriti kako spada, pogledati duplericu ili procitati sto pise uz nutarnji rub stranice.
ja izbjegavam trejdove i squarebounde, izmedju ostalog, i zbog toga, pa onda radije preferiram sveskice. hard coveri su dobro rjesenje, a nekada nisu puno skuplji od trejdova (oko +5$ vise). inace, wildstorm i abc imaju najbolji uvez trejdova i kod njih se knjiga ne "lomi". imaju unutra nekoliko presavijenih araka koji su uvezani koncem, a onda sljepljeni u hrbat. to je zakon. a i stripovi su im dobri.

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Edited by - zveles on 31/07/2005 22:22:58
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zosko
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 22:28:39  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send zosko a Private Message
najlosije sto sam imao u rukama su njemacki trejdovi preachera. no zato su isli po 4 eura umjesto 15 kolika im je regularna cijena. i svi drugi njemacki vertigovi serijali se vec duze trguju sa 50+ posto popusta.
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zosko
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 22:31:14  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send zosko a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by marlowe

ludensovo lepljenje je ocajno. papir nije kvalitetan uopste. ludens lepo izgleda na oko, ali je veoma falican.

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Kant
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Posted - 31/07/2005 : 22:32:43  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Kant a Private Message
Znaci, mnogi imamo ista iskustva s Ludensovim izdanjima...
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makikatalinic
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Kod Ludensa uopce nisam imao takav problem sve normalno OK.Jedino me kod Strip-Agenta sribao AF 15. Udar Munje.Jedan dio se jedva drži i bojim ga se otvoriti :)

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dear lord! it talks!

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