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chemako
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 12:58:48
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quote: Originally posted by COLUMBO
quote: Originally posted by chemako
Ja sam svojevremeno u splitskom antikvarijatu platio Zagore iz LMS 29,42,45,46,62,77,97,ZS 28 i 39 ispod cekica po 8 kuna. A nedavno sam cuo informaciju da je otkupljena kolekcija ZS i LMS,negdje do broja 500,znam tocno ko,ali ne bi o imenima (taj ce se prepoznati) i ja sam vidio par komada koji su stvarno ispod cekica,tocnu cijenu ne znam,ali ne vjerujem da su placani više od 10 kuna u prosjeku. Prema tome te price o nekim tisucama eura,ili stotinama su gluposti.I ja znam platiti ponekad malo višu cijenu,ali se poslije grizem jer je to stvarno nepotrebno. A to cu potkrijepiti jednim primjerom.Alan Ford,prvo izdanje,ZOO Simfonija,navodno najrjedi i samim tim najskuplji,o njemu se pisalo u Slobodnoj Dalmaciji,Feralu,šta ja znam sve,a u zadnje vrijeme ste ga imali na aukcijama mjesecno po dva koji se naravno ne mogu prodati. i ja sam ga nedavno kupio jedan za 160 kuna,ne baš glanc,a li odlican misleci da sam napravio "dobar posao",a sada znam da nisam,a tako ce malo pomalo biti za sve.Uostalom pogledajte postotak prodanih stvari na aukcijama,to ce reci sve.
Mogao si napisati da sam ja sam kupio te stripove. Nije nikakva tajna a i dosta ljudi to vec zna. Kada si vec spominjao cijenu od desetak kuna trebao si spomenuti da sam morao kupiti komplet sa oko 4000 stripova ( 99 posto stripova su bili glanceri ) po jedinstvenoj cijeni iako je tu bilo stripova koji ne vrijede toliko po maloprodanjoj cijeni i da postoji dobar dio stripova koji ce se jako teško prodati, a ne izdvojiti samu najbolji dio tih stripova. A koliko je je ta kupovina bila povoljna potrebno je napomenuti da su ti stripovi prije mene bili nudeni jos nekim prodavacima iz Splite i okolice , koji ih nisu uzeli iako su stripovi fantasticno ocuvani.
Ma ja sam to naveo kao primjer i to svježi,a ime ti namjerno nisam govorio jer je to osobna stvar hoce li to neko reci ili ne. To je dokaz da ti stripovi još postoje i da nikakvi problem nije to naci.Ja i ti smo više puta o tome razgovarali. A šta se tice cijene ja i dalje mislim da je bila povoljna bez obzira što ne znam kolika je,jer to što navodiš da je nudena i drugim prodavacima iz Splita i okolice nije nikakvo mjerilo. Ti si u Splitu i u okolici najjaci i sumnjam da ti neko može ozbiljno konkurirati.
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COLUMBO
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 13:09:57
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Da, dobrih stripova barem u Splitu sigurno postoji više nego što svi smatramo. Ali ti stripove se nalaze u rukama kolekcionara koji znaju vrijednost stripova i da bi se došli do njih treba ih platiti puno više nego što svi misle. Prošla su vremena jeftinih kupovina. |
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scaramanga
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 15:34:08
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quote: Originally posted by AZ
Za stare stvari nikad ne postoje cijene koje se znaju jer mnogi ne znaju koliko što vrijedi osim ako se time profesionalno ne bave kao strip dileri. Oni nisu jucer poceli to raditi. Jedan primjer kako se ne može uvijek znati koliko što vrijedi cu navesti. Na Britancu prošle godine covjek je za 10000 eura prodao sliku koju je platio 500 eura u žene koja nije znala koliko to vrijedi, tocnije koliko se može prodati, a sa tih 500 eura je bila presretna i cudila se glupanu koji to hoce platiti. Sa starim stvarima se nikad ne zna. Spomenuo sam vec ZS 13 koji mi je duplikat, a nisam ga htio prodati za 1000 kn strastvenom kolekcionaru. Platio sam ga 2 kn kod covjeka koji mi se cudio zašto placam za nekakve glupe stare stripove, još me pitao je li mi skupo, 200 starih stripova za 400 kn. Kako je nekad zeznuto kad covjek nema pravu informaciju. prelistajte oglasnike pa ce te vidjeti kakve sve cudne stvari ljudi sakupljaju i još placaju za njih. Stripovi su tu najjeftiniji. Prodajnu cijenu formira iskljucivo potražnja i kolicina robe u ponudi.
A potraznje ce biti sve manje.... No, za to vreme u tom vakum prostoru vredece ona "ogulimo kolekcionare" |
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scaramanga
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 15:37:51
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Ovaj moj post nema veze s temom ali je jubilaran, pa da ga postavim na ovako dobrom topicu... nadam se da nema ljutnje....
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darth-vader
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 16:22:38
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k tome i okrugao ( ako si fan Starcrafta znas o cemu pricam :) na post mislim
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AZ
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 17:03:00
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Ne vjerujem da ce biti sve manje, a da to vrijedi 10 kn, za toliko bi se i prodavalo. Možda ce i Krvna žrtva vrijediti 100 eura za 40 godina. |
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darth-vader
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 18:17:09
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za toliko se i prodavalo prije nekoliko godina, kada nije bilo bolesnika jos nekako shvacam da cjepaju prve brojeve, ali ZS oko broja 700, ili SD Zagore. Toga ima kao blata.
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AZ
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 18:28:25
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Najstariji brojevi se ni prije par god. nisu prodavali po 10 kn, druga stvar je što se moglo naci kod ljudi koji nisu znali da se može prodati za više. Sjecam se da su 99.g. najstariji Zagori bili po 100 DEM, a sad su oko 500 kn, pa i 100 eura. A onda i danas se dogodi da se kolekcionar zapali za nešto što nema a izvrsno je ocuvano, tada placa i više od 100 eura. Da hocu kupiti LMS 4 odlicno ocuvan, nemam u koga, ni za 100 eura. |
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dsormaz1
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 18:59:15
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quote: Originally posted by AZ
Kako se netko cudi strip kolekcionarima kojima strip vrijedi više od 20kn tako se ja cudim nekome ko daje milijune za neku Van Goghovu sliku ili nešto slicno. Ja ne bi dao ni 100 eura za nju, u stvari bi jer znam da je mogu prodati daleko više. Ali da je nikad nikome ne smijem prodati ne bi za nju dao ništa. Nije to stvar sustava vrijednosti, to je nešto posve drugo, ovo su neke stvari koje covjeka vesele, hobi. Ja sam imao srecu da sam stripove nabavio prije par godina kad se to još moglo naci jeftino, ali ne pada mi na pamet da prodam ijednog, kolika god ponuda bila.
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dsormaz1
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 19:01:55
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quote: Originally posted by COLUMBO
Na kojim se sve mjestima u Zagrebu odvija ulicna prodaja stripova ?
Imas na Tresnjevci (ispred Name) kod Glavnog kolodvora, kod Studentskog centra, kod Kvaternikovog trga (ispred Varteksa)itd. Nedavno je otvoren i taj na Cvjetnom... |
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dsormaz1
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 19:03:47
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quote: Originally posted by COLUMBO
Koliko oni placaju u otkupu Zagore SDkada prodaju po takvim cijenama ?
Sitnis, vjeruj mi. |
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dsormaz1
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 19:10:18
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Neki od tih ulicnih prodavaca su mi se cesto zalili kako im prodaja lose ide, izmedju ostalog, za to krive i Internet (inace, za njih je karakteristicno da se stalno zale na slabu prodaju i zaradu). Jedan mi je rekao kako je danas gotovo nemoguce nabaviti LMS i ZS iznad broja 800. I to sto nabave uglavnom je lose ocuvano (sto sam i vidio na Tresnjevci). Kazu da je tih stripova svake godine sve manje i manje (u ponudi za otkup), sto je najvjerojatnije tocno. |
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COLUMBO
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 21:29:01
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quote: Originally posted by dsormaz1
quote: Originally posted by COLUMBO
Na kojim se sve mjestima u Zagrebu odvija ulicna prodaja stripova ?
Imas na Tresnjevci (ispred Name) kod Glavnog kolodvora, kod Studentskog centra, kod Kvaternikovog trga (ispred Varteksa)itd. Nedavno je otvoren i taj na Cvjetnom...
Hvala na informacijama. |
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Curunir
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 21:32:23
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quote: Originally posted by Prodigy
Danas gledao emisiju(lik se zove Jura i ganja po Zg antikvitete i druge stare stvari).Jutros je ganjao porculanske figure balerina i sl.!Starost 30-40 god.-cijene se krecu od nekoliko stotina do nekoliko tisuca kuna po komadu.Pa sad jer mislite da porculanska balerina vrijedi 4.000 kn(bas tu je htio kupiti ali ga je neko preduhitrio)!? Starost nosi svoje, o cemu god se radilo!
I'm not O.K.,you're not O.K. and that is O.K.!!!
mozda nisi pazljivije slusao, ja sam savim slucajno, tu starost nije bila presudna....nacin izrade i vjernost porculana (kineskog dakle) je bila glavna....smece staro i 100 godina je ipak smece, kao one keramicke kopije koje je prije opisivao....
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Curunir
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Posted - 05/12/2005 : 21:37:27
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quote: Originally posted by stinky
quote: Originally posted by Curunir
quote: Originally posted by darth-vader
Onaj tko da 100-150 eura za nekakav strip, ne zasluzuje normalan zivot. Zbog takvih kao on, ja sada nemogu i dalje kupovati stripoteku po tim cijenama...
if you only knew the power of the dark side
E o tomu se radi. Zato biti kolekcionar takvog tipa nije samo privatno pravo. Oni uskracuju ustavna prava svim gradjanima i trea ih tretirati kod zagortustre pravilno, a ako ne upali uvijek su tu isengardski podrumi za nepravilno 
Nice view from Orthanc inspite of these psychotic trees.
ovo je ispravna dijagnoza iz isengarda ne možeš biti kolekcionar privatno kao što ne možeš biti ni ubojica privatno jednima i drugima je potrebno lijecenje zato je tu zagortustrina ordinacija...i isengardski protokol
ludjaci su me oduvijek voljeli...a i ja njih
legendo!
nego svidja mi se naziv, uzimam ga bez osvrtanja na ikakva prava
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tom1979
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Posted - 06/12/2005 : 15:26:55
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Tip na Cvjetnom je nov. Kad se pojavio prije par tjedana, ja sam mu rekao da taj specijalac MM-a nikako ne stoji skoro 100 kuna, a da ne može davati 100. Mister No-a u boji, za 20 kuna. Rekao mi je da on tu samo radi, da to odlucuje gazda. - Cijene su PUNO realnije kod SC-a ili na Glavnom kolodvoru... Naravno, stvar je u blizini centra; što bižr centru, to skuplji. |
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Dado
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Posted - 06/12/2005 : 15:59:56
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Cudim se cemu se neki izrugivaju i zbog cega nekoga nazivaju bolenim. Neko nije normalan samo zato sto je spreman za strip dati 200 eura??? Smijesno. Za veliki dio drugih ljudi svi koji uopce skupljaju i citaju stripove su pomalo cudni, no to mi nije novost, novost mi je da i medju tim citateljima ima jako puno podjela pod nazivom paranormalan! Kad ti isti ljudi potrose gomilu novca na cigarete, alkohol, provod, skupu odjecu i obucu ili stotinu drugih stvari onda je to normalno, ali platiti jedan strip kojeg je uopce tesko naci u ponudi 200 eura e to je nenormalno, to su onda bolesni ljudi. Svasta... |
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Obi-wan
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Posted - 06/12/2005 : 16:11:45
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quote: Originally posted by COLUMBO
quote: Originally posted by Obi-wan
quote: Originally posted by chemako
Ja sam svojevremeno u splitskom antikvarijatu platio Zagore iz LMS 29,42,45,46,62,77,97,ZS 28 i 39 ispod cekica po 8 kuna. A nedavno sam cuo informaciju da je otkupljena kolekcija ZS i LMS,negdje do broja 500,znam tocno ko,ali ne bi o imenima (taj ce se prepoznati) i ja sam vidio par komada koji su stvarno ispod cekica,tocnu cijenu ne znam,ali ne vjerujem da su placani više od 10 kuna u prosjeku. Prema tome te price o nekim tisucama eura,ili stotinama su gluposti.I ja znam platiti ponekad malo višu cijenu,ali se poslije grizem jer je to stvarno nepotrebno. A to cu potkrijepiti jednim primjerom.Alan Ford,prvo izdanje,ZOO Simfonija,navodno najrjedi i samim tim najskuplji,o njemu se pisalo u Slobodnoj Dalmaciji,Feralu,šta ja znam sve,a u zadnje vrijeme ste ga imali na aukcijama mjesecno po dva koji se naravno ne mogu prodati. i ja sam ga nedavno kupio jedan za 160 kuna,ne baš glanc,a li odlican misleci da sam napravio "dobar posao",a sada znam da nisam,a tako ce malo pomalo biti za sve.Uostalom pogledajte postotak prodanih stvari na aukcijama,to ce reci sve.
Blago vama u velikim gradovima. Meni to sve zvuci kao fantastika. Ja te stare stripove nikada nisam i necu vidjeti. Da se prevrne citava moja sirota Baranja, mislim da bi se našlo 2.5 skupljaca stripova, a starih stripova jednostavno više nema. Izgorjelo i nestalo. Zato mi te price o starima ispod cekica za 8 i 10 kuna zvuce nevjerovatno. Oni Zagori gore navedeni danas idu i po stostrukim cjenama naspram 10 kuna, a kupuju vjerovatno slicni meni koji ne mogu ni zamisliti da pronadu tako nešto. Ja srecom nemam novca za tako što pa ne moram razbijati glavu o stripovima po 1000 kuna.  
>> Ne kopajte nos, sline su komadici mozga! <<
Ovakve stvari se više ne dogadajau , to je bilo pocetkom devedesetih godina i danas je gotovo nemoguce naci bilo kakve stripove u antikvarijatu ili slicnim prodavaonicama.
Super, sada mi je malo lakše. Baš sam pomislio da svi kupujete te stare glancere džaba,a ja ih nikada ne vidam. Sada kada znam da je svuda malo takvih stripova, zavist mi se malo stišala.
>> Ne kopajte nos, sline su komadici mozga! << |
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dsormaz1
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Posted - 06/12/2005 : 18:53:18
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quote: Originally posted by Dado
Cudim se cemu se neki izrugivaju i zbog cega nekoga nazivaju bolenim. Neko nije normalan samo zato sto je spreman za strip dati 200 eura??? Smijesno.
Neki od tih koji se izruguju su tko zna koliko novaca spiskali za stripove. Radi se samo o tome je li ti nesto vrijedno tolikih novaca ili nije. |
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dsormaz1
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Posted - 06/12/2005 : 19:06:15
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quote: Originally posted by Dado Kad ti isti ljudi potrose gomilu novca na cigarete, alkohol, ili stotinu drugih stvari onda je to normalno
Ja na to ne bih dao ni 5 lipa. |
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Posted - 06/12/2005 : 19:40:26
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samo da kazem da su i u sarajevu prodavaci podivljali sa cijenama. u posljednjih godinu-dvije dana cijene su porasle od 300% do 800%
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jetset
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Posted - 06/12/2005 : 21:03:19
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quote: Originally posted by Dado
Cudim se cemu se neki izrugivaju i zbog cega nekoga nazivaju bolenim. Neko nije normalan samo zato sto je spreman za strip dati 200 eura??? Smijesno. Za veliki dio drugih ljudi svi koji uopce skupljaju i citaju stripove su pomalo cudni, no to mi nije novost, novost mi je da i medju tim citateljima ima jako puno podjela pod nazivom paranormalan! Kad ti isti ljudi potrose gomilu novca na cigarete, alkohol, provod, skupu odjecu i obucu ili stotinu drugih stvari onda je to normalno, ali platiti jedan strip kojeg je uopce tesko naci u ponudi 200 eura e to je nenormalno, to su onda bolesni ljudi. Svasta...
baš tako,što se tu neki cude cinjenici da ima likova koji imaju para na bacanje i što su ih spremni potrošit na rijetke primjerke stripova?možda bi bilo valjda manje cudno da skupljaju rijetke leptire?što se ne okrenete po cestama pa se malo iscudujte nebuloznim autima što se voze?ima takvih nakazno skupih da pola foruma ne bi skupilo niti za njegove 4 gume a kamoli ostatak?i to nije cudno?koliko ljudi toliko cudi...i toliko raznih bankovnih konta...
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darth-vader
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 17:58:32
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quote: baš tako,što se tu neki cude cinjenici da ima likova koji imaju para na bacanje i što su ih spremni potrošit na rijetke primjerke stripova?možda bi bilo valjda manje cudno da skupljaju rijetke leptire?što se ne okrenete po cestama pa se malo iscudujte nebuloznim autima što se voze?ima takvih nakazno skupih da pola foruma ne bi skupilo niti za njegove 4 gume a kamoli ostatak?
takoder bolesnici. Na kraju mu je taj auto funkcionalan kao i svaki drugi upola i više jeftiniji. No kada si clan ove naše stradne i ine scene, što ceš napraviti da dodeš u centar pažnje. Što drugo nego kupiti auto za 200 000 eura.
quote: Kad ti isti ljudi potrose gomilu novca na cigarete, alkohol, provod, skupu odjecu i obucu ili stotinu drugih stvari onda je to normalno, ali platiti jedan strip kojeg je uopce tesko naci u ponudi 200 eura e to je nenormalno, to su onda bolesni ljudi.
sve je to jednako bolesno. Još su cigarete i kave bolesnije. Na kraju ti od tih novaca ništa ne ostane :) LMS 4 barem možeš prodati. Bolesnika, ovaj kupaca ima uvijek :)
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Curunir
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Posted - 07/12/2005 : 19:04:51
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je, super ocuvani mercedes iz 3. reicha zbilja stoji sitnicu......
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jetset
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