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majmun
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Posted - 15/12/2005 : 15:31:23
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Ovlas pregledajuci novi Q, zamjetih da na popisu HR autora nedostaje gosn Paheka koji je iz Zupanje. Mislim da je najredovitiji HR autor u Heavy Metalu, pa to se valjda broji.
Macane???
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mcn
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Posted - 15/12/2005 : 16:16:40
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>Ovlas pregledajuci novi Q, zamjetih da na popisu HR autora nedostaje >gosn Paheka koji je iz Zupanje.
Pa, kad budess detaljnije pogledao, vidjet chess da pisse da je izbor subjektivan...:)
A Pahek jest rodom iz ZZupanje, ali zzivi i radi u Beogradu te ga ja pikam pod srpske autore. Kao ssto Bilala pikam pod Francuze. A Mirka Ilicha pod hrvatske autore jer je radio ovdje (dok je radio stripove, poslije mi je svejedno), bez obzira ssto je iz ... Han Pijeska?
Naravno, kad netko drugi bude radio izbor (ili kad ja budem radio neki drugi izbor), slobodno mu je uvrstiti Paheka unutra.
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Zox
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majmun
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Posted - 15/12/2005 : 20:22:32
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quote: Originally posted by mcn
>Ovlas pregledajuci novi Q, zamjetih da na popisu HR autora nedostaje >gosn Paheka koji je iz Zupanje.
Pa, kad budess detaljnije pogledao, vidjet chess da pisse da je izbor subjektivan...:)
A Pahek jest rodom iz ZZupanje, ali zzivi i radi u Beogradu te ga ja pikam pod srpske autore. Kao ssto Bilala pikam pod Francuze. A Mirka Ilicha pod hrvatske autore jer je radio ovdje (dok je radio stripove, poslije mi je svejedno), bez obzira ssto je iz ... Han Pijeska?
Naravno, kad netko drugi bude radio izbor (ili kad ja budem radio neki drugi izbor), slobodno mu je uvrstiti Paheka unutra.
Hm, frend iz Zupanje mi rece da je Pahek u Francuskoj, a ne u Beogradu. Never mind, mislim da je ipak Paheku mjesto medju svim onim autorima. Na stranu gdje zivi, u Beogradu, Burkini Faso ili Francuskoj.
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ninel
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Posted - 15/12/2005 : 21:12:13
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quote: Originally posted by majmun
Ovlas pregledajuci novi Q, zamjetih da na popisu HR autora nedostaje gosn Paheka koji je iz Zupanje.
Macane???
Pa po toj logiki bi morali ubrajati Julesa Radilovica medju Slovence, pošto je rodjen u Mariboru (da o Otu Rajzingeru i ne pricam)... |
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marlowe
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Posted - 15/12/2005 : 21:23:04
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mislim da se za autore ne gleda etnicko poreklo ili mesto rodjenja vec prostor na kom su stvarali, podneblje/skola/pravac kom su autorski pripadali. stoga, m. ilic jeste hrvatski autor, jules takodje, maurovic nije crnogorski autor, bilal je francuski, a pahek, kao jedan od pokretaca beogradskog kruga 2, jeste srpski autor. koga zanimaju slicne podele i linije razgranicenja, postoje i zanimljiviji i zaguljeniji primeri.
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Vlaadisha
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BlekenDekara
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Posted - 15/12/2005 : 22:28:12
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ja francuski - bolje platjaju kolko chujem:)))
**************** look, maybe i didn`t say every little tiny syllable,no. but basically i said `em,yeah. |
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mcn
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jurica
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Posted - 16/12/2005 : 12:16:51
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quote: Originally posted by marlowe
mislim da se za autore ne gleda etnicko poreklo ili mesto rodjenja vec prostor na kom su stvarali, podneblje/skola/pravac kom su autorski pripadali.
a posto marlowe ne priznaje razliku hrvatskog i srpskog jezika, za one koji ipak vjeruju u nju - mislim da je najlakse odluciti po jeziku koji su koristili u svojim vaznijim djelima.
primjer: Ivo Andric je bosnjacki pisac iako je bio clan Matice Srpske, prva djela napisao hrvatskom ijekavicom u Zagrebu (Ex Ponto i ona druga zbirka kojoj se ne mogu sjetiti naslov), jer su Na Drini cuprija, Travnicka hronika i sve vaznije pripovjetke glavni razlog njegove slave i popularnosti (i onoga zbog cega ga sve tri strane svojataju - Nobelove nagrade).
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prozirna senka
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Posted - 16/12/2005 : 12:28:44
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quote: Originally posted by jurica
quote: Originally posted by marlowe
mislim da se za autore ne gleda etnicko poreklo ili mesto rodjenja vec prostor na kom su stvarali, podneblje/skola/pravac kom su autorski pripadali.
a posto marlowe ne priznaje razliku hrvatskog i srpskog jezika, za one koji ipak vjeruju u nju - mislim da je najlakse odluciti po jeziku koji su koristili u svojim vaznijim djelima.
primjer: Ivo Andric je bosnjacki pisac iako je bio clan Matice Srpske, prva djela napisao hrvatskom ijekavicom u Zagrebu (Ex Ponto i ona druga zbirka kojoj se ne mogu sjetiti naslov), jer su Na Drini cuprija, Travnicka hronika i sve vaznije pripovjetke glavni razlog njegove slave i popularnosti (i onoga zbog cega ga sve tri strane svojataju - Nobelove nagrade).
_________________________ KAJGOD - strip zin i tjedni onlajn strip KUCA STRAHA na www.kajgod.co.nr
Zanimljivo ovo za Ivu - bosnjacki autor bez obzira sto je i sam Ivo stariji od bosnjacke nacije?!? Beh.
A ciji je Nikola? A Milankovic? A Rudjer? Itd... Besmisleno, zar ne?
Cuvajte, cedo moje milo, jezik kao zemlju. Rec se može izgubiti kao grad, kao zemlja, kao duša. Ne uzimajte tudu rec u svoja usta. Uzmeš li tudu rec, znaj da je nisi osvojio, nego si sebe potudio. |
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marlowe
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Posted - 16/12/2005 : 12:43:52
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a posto marlowe ne priznaje razliku hrvatskog i srpskog jezika, za one koji ipak vjeruju u nju [/quote]
otkud sad ovo? kako ne priznajem? priznajem bez pogovora, onih par procenata razlike...
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jurica
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Posted - 16/12/2005 : 13:52:47
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quote: Originally posted by prozirna senka Zanimljivo ovo za Ivu - bosnjacki autor bez obzira sto je i sam Ivo stariji od bosnjacke nacije?!?
tako ti je to kad je stari Ivo htio biti Jugoslaven... ne moze to tako, ne moze.
btw. Nobelova fundacija ga je dugo i drzala pod jugoslavenski pisac, ali su im dosadili Hrvati sa stalnim dosadjivanjem: 'nije jugoslavenski nego hrvatski' i Srbi s: 'nije jugoslavenski nego srpski'...
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jurica
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stinky
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Posted - 16/12/2005 : 14:12:38
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quote: Originally posted by marlowe
a posto marlowe ne priznaje razliku hrvatskog i srpskog jezika, za one koji ipak vjeruju u nju
otkud sad ovo? kako ne priznajem? priznajem bez pogovora, onih par procenata razlike...
___________ "In my Havana cabana I'll eat something sweet like banana..." [/quote]
ti to hoceš reci da srbi pricaju hrvatski? 
ludaci su me oduvijek voljeli...a i ja njih |
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DusMan
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Posted - 16/12/2005 : 16:04:09
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Hehe, ako se ne varam, Stinky, tebe je u to ubedjivao jedan ovdasnji izdavac, na Sajmu knjiga 2004. Zar ne? ;)
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mifugo
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Posted - 20/12/2005 : 23:40:39
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quote: Originally posted by prozirna senka
quote: Originally posted by jurica
quote: Originally posted by marlowe
mislim da se za autore ne gleda etnicko poreklo ili mesto rodjenja vec prostor na kom su stvarali, podneblje/skola/pravac kom su autorski pripadali.
a posto marlowe ne priznaje razliku hrvatskog i srpskog jezika, za one koji ipak vjeruju u nju - mislim da je najlakse odluciti po jeziku koji su koristili u svojim vaznijim djelima.
primjer: Ivo Andric je bosnjacki pisac iako je bio clan Matice Srpske, prva djela napisao hrvatskom ijekavicom u Zagrebu (Ex Ponto i ona druga zbirka kojoj se ne mogu sjetiti naslov), jer su Na Drini cuprija, Travnicka hronika i sve vaznije pripovjetke glavni razlog njegove slave i popularnosti (i onoga zbog cega ga sve tri strane svojataju - Nobelove nagrade).
_________________________ KAJGOD - strip zin i tjedni onlajn strip KUCA STRAHA na www.kajgod.co.nr
Zanimljivo ovo za Ivu - bosnjacki autor bez obzira sto je i sam Ivo stariji od bosnjacke nacije?!? Beh.
A ciji je Nikola? A Milankovic? A Rudjer? Itd... Besmisleno, zar ne?
Ruder Boškovic? Po kojoj je on logici Srbin? |
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majmun
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majmun
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Posted - 21/12/2005 : 06:21:59
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Promisljajuci malo o logici, rodom iz Zupanje, stripovski se ostvario u Beogradu, dakle srpski autor, nikako mi ne lezi. Tom logikom niti Srbija niti Hrvatska nemaju skoro pa niti jednog znanstvenika. Pa svi su znanstveni sa ovih prostora svoj stvaralacki vrhunac ostvarili u emigraciji. Od Rudjera preko Tesle i Ruzicke do Radmana.
Dakle Macane - Pliz, stavi Paheka u slijedeci Kju (makar pod HR/SiCG autor).
Sta da ti kazem, covjek mi je iznimno drag od Spunkova do Metala.
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mcn
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jurica
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Posted - 21/12/2005 : 12:10:25
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quote: Originally posted by majmun
Tom logikom niti Srbija niti Hrvatska nemaju skoro pa niti jednog znanstvenika.
pa i nemaju. molim lijepo, otkud nasoj zemlji pravo svojatati znanstvenike kojima nije pruzila ni mogucnost da se educiraju niti materijal s kojim mogu raditi?
ako im je Svicarska dala znanje, sredstva i institute koji su ih ucinili slavnima, onda ih ona ima pravo i svojatati.
molim te procitaj i reci iskreno tko ima vise prava na njega: http://nobelprize.org/chemistry/laureates/1939/ruzicka-bio.html
a pogotovo je to naglaseno u pisanim djelima (kakva su i Pahekovi stripovi). da se covjek osjecao kao Hrvat, pisao bi hrvatskim jezikom.
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majmun
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Posted - 21/12/2005 : 14:36:47
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quote: Originally posted by mcn
>Dakle Macane - Pliz, stavi Paheka u slijedeci Kju (makar pod HR/SiCG >autor).
Kako? Spomen, stripove ili njega spressanog?
Spomenom, a niti neki njegov stripic ne bi bio naodmet. :-) |
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majmun
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Posted - 21/12/2005 : 14:45:26
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quote: Originally posted by jurica
quote: Originally posted by majmun
Tom logikom niti Srbija niti Hrvatska nemaju skoro pa niti jednog znanstvenika.
pa i nemaju. molim lijepo, otkud nasoj zemlji pravo svojatati znanstvenike kojima nije pruzila ni mogucnost da se educiraju niti materijal s kojim mogu raditi?
Mislim da je ovdje vise u pitanju neimanja nego nezeljenja. Zar mislis da roditelj koji ne moze djetetu kupiti xyz igracku za 1000kn manje voli svoje dijete od onog koji to moze?
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ako im je Svicarska dala znanje, sredstva i institute koji su ih ucinili slavnima, onda ih ona ima pravo i svojatati.
Nema ih nitko pravo svojatati, dijeljeno su vlasnistvo. ;-)
quote: molim te procitaj i reci iskreno tko ima vise prava na njega: http://nobelprize.org/chemistry/laureates/1939/ruzicka-bio.html
Iskreno, nije mi se dalo citati toliko teksta. ;-)
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a pogotovo je to naglaseno u pisanim djelima (kakva su i Pahekovi stripovi). da se covjek osjecao kao Hrvat, pisao bi hrvatskim jezikom.
Pobogu kakve sada veze sa bilo kakvom opredjeljenoscu ima jezik??? A Franc List?
A jebemti vise filozofiranja.
Macane stavi Paheka u slijedeci Kju ili ti saljem crne ninje na prebivalisnu adresu. ;-) |
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tom1979
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Posted - 21/12/2005 : 14:50:18
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Zadnjih par godina Pahek kao ilustrator jako djeluje u Hrvatskoj (SF, Zagrebacka naklada). Ja bih rekao da je kao stripaš ipak srpski autor, premda živi na potezu inozemstvo-Zagreb-Županja... I kaj sad? |
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mcn
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