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Solid Snake
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Posted - 19/04/2006 : 13:52:10  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Solid Snake a Private Message
Jel postoji razlika izmedju ova dva termina?Vidim da se u posljedne vreme za stripove koristi termin "grafhic novels",takodje na netu sam procitao da je Frenk Miler(Sin City) postavio jasnu granicu izmedju termina "graficki romani" i "stripovi".Ja tu ne vidim neku razliku,ali evo nek neko od stripofila objasni koja je razlika.

"No vox populis,vox revolucionaris"-Che Guevara

stinky
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Posted - 19/04/2006 : 13:54:44  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit stinky's Homepage  Send stinky a Private Message
to su ti klasicna izdrkavanja
graphic novels je elitnije, snobovski i pomalo gej
nema ništa do dobrih starih stripova...ili ctanih romana

Tako je govorio Zagortustra.
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manhunter
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Posted - 19/04/2006 : 14:10:32  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send manhunter a Private Message
"Graficke novele" je naziv od kojeg mi se smuci svaki procitani strip do sada. Stinky je u pravu: zvuci strašno snobovski, lepše, ne može niko da ti prebaci da sa 30 godina još uvek citaš stripove, jer pobogu, ti ih i necitaš, ti citaš graficke novele, a to nisu stripovi..
Jedno te isto, veruj mi, i jedno i drugo su necija prica i crtež na lošem ili malo boljem papiru koji koštaju od 16 pa do 150kn..(a na aukcijama i više..;-))

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DeeCay
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Posted - 19/04/2006 : 14:44:27  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send DeeCay a Private Message
U Americi se razlike više vidi jer je tamo obicna sveska po dvadesetak i plus strana, a graficke novele znaju sadržavati po desetke sveski...

Wealth beyond measure, outlander...
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kico
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Posted - 19/04/2006 : 14:55:24  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send kico a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by stinky

to su ti klasicna izdrkavanja
graphic novels je elitnije, snobovski i pomalo gej
nema ništa do dobrih starih stripova...ili ctanih romana

Tako je govorio Zagortustra.


Živa istina!
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risbozg
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Posted - 19/04/2006 : 16:07:41  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send risbozg a Private Message
nije istina - istinu vam je obijasnio DeeCay

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vice
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Posted - 19/04/2006 : 16:13:02  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send vice a Private Message
Graficke novele bi bila izdanja Belog puta, ali to je sve bullshit, procitajte Kako citati strip, strip je strip, ovo su ipak podvrste a ne drugi nazivi za strip.

Svih mu Darkwoodskih bubnjeva!
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DeeCay
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Posted - 19/04/2006 : 16:31:26  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send DeeCay a Private Message
I da se nadopunim, kod nas nema smisla zvati graphic novele Bonellijeve stripove jer su oni u od stotinjak strana višemanje u formi cjelovitog romana. Jedino ovaj Zagor klasik mogli bi svrstati u graphic jer sadrži cjelovit miniserijal. Novele su redom luksuznija izdanja, predgovorima, dodatnim naslovnicama, crtežima itd... Ostali europski stripovi opet imaju drugaciju formu.

Wealth beyond measure, outlander...
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mifugo
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Posted - 19/04/2006 : 16:40:38  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send mifugo a Private Message
meni se cini da su graficke novele samo ka "ambiciozniji" stripovi... dakle "strip" je ka "film", a "graficka novela" je ka "art film"
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stinky
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Posted - 19/04/2006 : 16:41:42  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit stinky's Homepage  Send stinky a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by mifugo

meni se cini da su graficke novele samo ka "ambiciozniji" stripovi... dakle "strip" je ka "film", a "graficka novela" je ka "art film"



dobro ti se cini
a to sam i ja naveo, samo oštrijom oštricom - izdrkavanje

Tako je govorio Zagortustra.
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manhunter
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Posted - 19/04/2006 : 16:45:11  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send manhunter a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by DeeCay

I da se nadopunim, kod nas nema smisla zvati graphic novele Bonellijeve stripove jer su oni u od stotinjak strana višemanje u formi cjelovitog romana. Jedino ovaj Zagor klasik mogli bi svrstati u graphic jer sadrži cjelovit miniserijal. Novele su redom luksuznija izdanja, predgovorima, dodatnim naslovnicama, crtežima itd... Ostali europski stripovi opet imaju drugaciju formu.

Wealth beyond measure, outlander...



Da li to znaci da su na primer MM giganti takodje graficke novele??
Ken Parker?? Da li je Konan u izdanju BP takodje u toj grupi??


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manhunter
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Posted - 19/04/2006 : 16:46:12  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send manhunter a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by mifugo

meni se cini da su graficke novele samo ka "ambiciozniji" stripovi... dakle "strip" je ka "film", a "graficka novela" je ka "art film"



Sa akcentom na ovo "ka"...

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prozirna senka
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Posted - 19/04/2006 : 16:47:45  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send prozirna senka a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by manhunter

quote:
Originally posted by DeeCay

I da se nadopunim, kod nas nema smisla zvati graphic novele Bonellijeve stripove jer su oni u od stotinjak strana višemanje u formi cjelovitog romana. Jedino ovaj Zagor klasik mogli bi svrstati u graphic jer sadrži cjelovit miniserijal. Novele su redom luksuznija izdanja, predgovorima, dodatnim naslovnicama, crtežima itd... Ostali europski stripovi opet imaju drugaciju formu.

Wealth beyond measure, outlander...



Da li to znaci da su na primer MM giganti takodje graficke novele??
Ken Parker?? Da li je Konan u izdanju BP takodje u toj grupi??


Oh, I'm sorry. Did that break your concentration? I didn't mean to do that. Please, continue. I believe you were saying something about "best intentions."


Ovde u Americi se Bonelijeva/DH izdanja MMa, DDa i NNa prodaju kao graficke novele

Cuvajte, cedo moje milo, jezik kao zemlju. Rec se može izgubiti kao grad, kao zemlja, kao duša. Ne uzimajte tudu rec u svoja usta. Uzmeš li tudu rec, znaj da je nisi osvojio, nego si sebe potudio.
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DeeCay
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Posted - 19/04/2006 : 16:55:45  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send DeeCay a Private Message
U biti je to više nacin izdavanja više sveski upakirano u jedno cjelovito izdanje specificno za Amere. I odonud se širio naziv dalje, znate i sami da rado prihvacamo strane termine.

Ameri nisu nauceni na jedan strip koji ima 100str. pa im je teško shvati kao obican comic, i onda ga zovu graphic novel.


Wealth beyond measure, outlander...

Edited by - DeeCay on 19/04/2006 16:58:39
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manhunter
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Posted - 19/04/2006 : 17:14:37  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send manhunter a Private Message
Ma to valjda zato što im je teško da se koncentrišu na citanje kad strip ima više od 24 stranice..;-))
A ti Amerikanac cuti, nemoj da ih braniš slucajno!! :-))

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Solid Snake
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Posted - 19/04/2006 : 17:54:04  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Solid Snake a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by DeeCay

U biti je to više nacin izdavanja više sveski upakirano u jedno cjelovito izdanje specificno za Amere. I odonud se širio naziv dalje, znate i sami da rado prihvacamo strane termine.

Ameri nisu nauceni na jedan strip koji ima 100str. pa im je teško shvati kao obican comic, i onda ga zovu graphic novel.


Wealth beyond measure, outlander...

tako je slazem se potpuno
hvala puno DeeCay

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stinky
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Posted - 19/04/2006 : 17:56:12  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit stinky's Homepage  Send stinky a Private Message
amerikanci su rednecki, kako smo vec ustanovili na topicu "za ljubitelje horora" (ukljuceni i ovi pridošli, poput p.senke npr hehe)

Tako je govorio Zagortustra.
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Solid Snake
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Posted - 19/04/2006 : 17:57:12  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Solid Snake a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by stinky

to su ti klasicna izdrkavanja
graphic novels je elitnije, snobovski i pomalo gejnema ništa do dobrih starih stripova...ili ctanih romana

Tako je govorio Zagortustra.

i sa tobom se slazem,ali ne potpuno

"No vox populis,vox revolucionaris"-Che Guevara
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zveles
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Posted - 19/04/2006 : 18:09:15  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send zveles a Private Message
GRAPHIC NOVEL: Term created by Will Eisner; comic book with high quality storyline and artwork.

"graphic novel" se danas u americi koristi kao termin za strip koji je KOMPLETAN i koji izlazi odjednom kao STRIP ALBUM, tj. nije prvotno izasao kao serija u nastavcima (trejdovi nisu graphic novels!).

npr. sin city - family values je graphic novel, a svi ostali trejdovi sin cityja su kolecije tj. najobicniji trejdovi.

inace, stvarno je gay prevoditi to kao graficke novele kada odavno imamo odlican termin "strip album". ali, boze moj, nismo homofobi, pa ko voli nek i dalje gura.

http://zveles.blogspot.com/

Edited by - zveles on 19/04/2006 18:15:32
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Curunir
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Posted - 20/04/2006 : 02:25:26  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Curunir a Private Message
A graphic novel (GN) is a long-form comic book, usually with lengthy and complex storylines, and often aimed at more mature audiences. The term can also encompass a short story collection, or collected issues of previously published comic books republished in a single large volume.

meni se cini da je Stinky sasvim u pravu
a i Zveles s guranjem



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