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simi
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 22:08:40
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quote: Originally posted by Markos
Ne vidim cemu to inzistiranje na jednoj knjizi. Zamisli Comanche u jednoj knjizi? Ja se nadam da ce napraviti minimalno dvije. Ali bitno je da naprave cijeli serijal odjednom.
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COMANCHE je sjajno izdanje....presjajno - 6 vraski debelih knjizurina sam morao ugurati u putnu torbu ne racunajuci ostalo - ali meni nije ni najmanje bilo nezamislivo vidjeti to kao jednu knjigu - dapace sa ccca 46/48? strana po epizodi i uz popratne tekstove bilo bi to ispod 500 strana a za jedne debele korice manje |
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Dreamlord
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Markos
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 22:48:34
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Cijena Comanche je realna. To je ipak 10 albuma, da su pojedinacno objavljeni kostali bi 750 kuna, ovako ih se dobije za 500 (tj. za 400, za one koji su ih kupili na premijeri). Upravo sam procitao svaku knjigu i to izdanje vrijedi svake kune.
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simi
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 22:50:31
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quote: Originally posted by Dreamlord
Comacnhe integralno izdanje je super. Samo je cena visoka...
Citam stripovi, gledam pornici i živim za fajt!
pogledaj cijene francuskog istovjetnog izdanja...to je fakat skupo mislim da su nasa dva za njihovo jedno....steta sto frenchyji ne znaju naski (ovo iz ciste zlobe jer sam toliko puta do sada zazalio sto ja ne znam francuski- ) |
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Dreamlord
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 22:57:56
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Pa skupo je Marko. Za te pare kupim bre Atlas!!!
Jako, jako skupo. Mada znaju oni sta rade. Ima dovoljno budala da daju toliko para, i to cesto ljudi koji vec imaju celu Comanchu. Skupo, skupo nema tu sta.
To ti je kao da ti ja kazem nadjem ti Rollsa za 100,000 eura, a on kosta 200,000. Da li to znaci da to nije skupo za auto. Naravno da je skupo...
Citam stripovi, gledam pornici i živim za fajt! |
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simi
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 23:03:20
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mozda sam snob...bedak sam sigurno ali kada sam cuo preko telefona sto je onaj drugi bedak (bernie, dakako ) ucinio - popusio sam na nevidjeno do kraja i to hook line & sinker.... rece mi goran znas za comancheu? COMANCHEU???? nema veze sto je imam ne znam gdje sve ne (marketprint, stripoteka,mini eks, biser) to je bilo nesto sto sam morao kupiti....dapace i prva stvar koju sam i kupio...donio mi je bernie dan prije pocetka ciijelog onog "kažina" i koja spada medju najljepse primjerke moje kolekcije...da da takva je moc marketinga....iako ruku na srce ovdje marketinga i nije bilo amo jedan telefonski razgovor bio je dovoljan... ah...blago siromišnima duhom (meni) njihovo je kraljevstvo nebesko (to je diskutabilno, ali...) |
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Markos
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 23:07:27
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Nije skupo. Dapace, povoljno je. I naravno, ovo je izdanje uglavnom za ljude koji Comanchu vec imaju i koji jako dobro znaju sto kupuju.
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simi
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 23:07:57
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quote: Originally posted by Dreamlord
Pa skupo je Marko. Za te pare kupim bre Atlas!!!
ako nisi profesor zemljopisa...koliko puta ces taj atlas i otvoriti? ali ako volis stripove comancheu ces sigurno otvarati vise puta... dakle 1 Atlas - 2 stripa + savršena racunica |
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vice
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 23:09:30
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A je li, Dreamlord, sad su po tebi svi budale koji su kupili integral Comanche, ja recimo uopce dosad nisan cita taj strip pa mi je ovo bilo idealno, ali sasvim sigurno bi ga uzeja i da san ima sva njegova domaca izdanja, cak i Marketprintova jer je ovaj integral jednostavno savršen, i pilicno jeftin za tu kvalitetu, pogotovo jer san ga kupija još na Mafestu, to može bit jedino kolekcionarska strast, ne i budalaština, jer si ti jedini koji ih ode izjavljuje.
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simi
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 23:15:48
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quote: Originally posted by vice
, ali sasvim sigurno bi ga uzeja i da san ima sva njegova domaca izdanja, cak i Marketprintova jer je ovaj integral jednostavno savršen,
ovim si se listom svrstao uz "budale" join the club |
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Dreamlord
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 23:15:52
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Hehe. Atlas cu da otvorim bar 20 puta vishe nego Comanchu. Citao sam je. Podseticu se malo sa vremena na vreme i to je to. Atlas moze ceo zivot da ti koristi. To sto ti ne volish simi atlase shta ti ja mogu. I ne nisam profa geografije../ 
Ne Vice ti si budala jer trazis svadju. Uostalom idi pisi nove oprostajne poruke, pravi farse i sve ostalo sto te okupira.
Lepo sam rekao mnogo je to para. Treba biti lud dati toliko za nesto sto vec imash. Ali to je moj princip, nije svaciji. Neki kupuju sve duplo i troduplo, imaju fetish ljudi i sta sad...
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simi
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 23:21:10
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quote: Originally posted by Dreamlord
Hehe. Atlas cu da otvorim bar 20 puta vishe nego Comanchu. Citao sam je. Podseticu se malo sa vremena na vreme i to je to. Atlas moze ceo zivot da ti koristi. To sto ti ne volish simi atlase shta ti ja mogu. I ne nisam profa geografije../ 
nisam rekao da NE VOLIM ATLASE...ali recimo da ja atlas koristim " da se podsetim s vremena na vreme" a u Comanchei (kao i u ostalim stripovima) uživam i rabim ih cešce |
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vice
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 23:23:19
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quote: Originally posted by simi
quote: Originally posted by vice
, ali sasvim sigurno bi ga uzeja i da san ima sva njegova domaca izdanja, cak i Marketprintova jer je ovaj integral jednostavno savršen,
ovim si se listom svrstao uz "budale" join the club
Jebiga, lud san kad su stripovi u pitanju.
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vice
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 23:24:46
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quote: Originally posted by Dreamlord
Hehe. Atlas cu da otvorim bar 20 puta vishe nego Comanchu. Citao sam je. Podseticu se malo sa vremena na vreme i to je to. Atlas moze ceo zivot da ti koristi. To sto ti ne volish simi atlase shta ti ja mogu. I ne nisam profa geografije../ 
Ne Vice ti si budala jer trazis svadju. Uostalom idi pisi nove oprostajne poruke, pravi farse i sve ostalo sto te okupira.
Lepo sam rekao mnogo je to para. Treba biti lud dati toliko za nesto sto vec imash. Ali to je moj princip, nije svaciji. Neki kupuju sve duplo i troduplo, imaju fetish ljudi i sta sad...
Citam stripovi, gledam pornici i živim za fajt!
Ha, takve san niske udarce i ocekiva, ali neka, sam san kriv za te ludavice, dok si ti, stari moj, i dalje velika budaletina.
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Dreamlord
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 23:27:26
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Pa pazi to je nerealno skupo. Evo i zasto.
Jedna Comanche integralno je oko 250 strana, A4, HC i kosta kod nas 2,800 dinara tj. 35EUR. Cujem da je kod vas malo jeftinije negde oko 28-30EUR komad. E sada da ja kupim Comanche integral treba da dam 70EUR!!!
Recimo izdanje istog gabarita od Belog Puta - Hogar 240str, A4, HC je 1,300 dinara sa popustom, 1,800 regularno. Tako da jeste veoma skupo. A da ne pricamo o tome da za 80 eura imas bre Complete Calvin & Hobbes HC, 3 toma, skoro 1,500 strana !!!! U fantasticnom pakovanju. Kako god okrenesh je skupo.
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 23:33:15
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quote: Originally posted by vice
quote: Originally posted by Dreamlord
Hehe. Atlas cu da otvorim bar 20 puta vishe nego Comanchu. Citao sam je. Podseticu se malo sa vremena na vreme i to je to. Atlas moze ceo zivot da ti koristi. To sto ti ne volish simi atlase shta ti ja mogu. I ne nisam profa geografije../ 
Ne Vice ti si budala jer trazis svadju. Uostalom idi pisi nove oprostajne poruke, pravi farse i sve ostalo sto te okupira.
Lepo sam rekao mnogo je to para. Treba biti lud dati toliko za nesto sto vec imash. Ali to je moj princip, nije svaciji. Neki kupuju sve duplo i troduplo, imaju fetish ljudi i sta sad...
Citam stripovi, gledam pornici i živim za fajt!
Ha, takve san niske udarce i ocekiva, ali neka, sam san kriv za te ludavice, dok si ti, stari moj, i dalje velika budaletina.
Svih mu Darkwoodskih bubnjeva!
Nizak udarac si dobio zato sto si neodmeren i obracash se ljudima kao kreten. Niti citash pazljivo, vec samo da tresnesh nesto. A da ona tvoja farsa idem ovo ono. Totalna patetika. Budi musko pa progutaj knedlu...
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Markos
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 23:37:05
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Comancha integral ima po 264 i 272 stranice. Nije A4 nego malo veci format, "neobrezani A4". Nema smisla usporedjivati cijene sa SCG jer je jasno da su sva vasa izdanja jeftinija, vjerojatno su cijene tiska jeftinije. Isto izdanje u Francuskoj kosta puno vise od 35 Eura. C&H ne mozes s ovim usporedjivati, jer to je crno bijeli strip i tiskano je u tko zna koliko tisuca komada.
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Dreamlord
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 23:42:44
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Pa mogu da uporedjujem veoma lako. Jer je ta klasa izdanja. Kolekcija, u maltene istom formatu, kvalitetu shtampe i slicno.
A i sam znas da kad kupujesh strip da se stavish u ulogu kupca a ne izdavaca. Boli mene djoka da li je neko uradio 50 komada ili 500,000. Cinjenica je da je skupo. Sta treba da se saosecam sa izdavacem sto ne moze da proda veci tiraz pa da prihvatim dranje. Nece moci. Uostalom sta smo mi humanitarci. Poredim relevantna izdanja i value for money. Jeste C&H b&w strip ali je u pitanju slican tip izdanja. Opet on ima 1,500 strana, slip case, dubinska stampa. Sve se to gleda...
U Francuskoj i jedan jebeni album od 48 strana moze da kosta malo bogatstvo, sto ne cini to ispravnim.
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Edited by - Dreamlord on 04/07/2006 23:44:08 |
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simi
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 23:49:59
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quote: Originally posted by simi
quote: Originally posted by Dreamlord
value for money.
u toj usporedbi komanca prolazi vrlo dobro!
Pa ne bash. Kako onda prolazi C&H? Ultra, mega, super, maxi...
Ma daj...
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simi
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 23:53:21
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quote: Originally posted by Dreamlord
quote: Originally posted by simi
quote: Originally posted by Dreamlord
value for money.
u toj usporedbi komanca prolazi vrlo dobro!
Pa ne bash. Kako onda prolazi C&H? Ultra, mega, super, maxi...
Ma daj...
Citam stripovi, gledam pornici i živim za fajt!
pa po kojoj cijeni ga ti nabavljas ? ako on kosta s postarinom skoro 700 kn a dve knjige u boji 400 i nešto to i nije takva razlika kvalitativno su jednako dobri ako tako ne mislis onda nemamo o cemu ni raspravljati |
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 23:53:38
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quote: Originally posted by Dreamlord
Pa mogu da uporedjujem veoma lako. Jer je ta klasa izdanja. Kolekcija, u maltene istom formatu, kvalitetu shtampe i slicno.
A i sam znas da kad kupujesh strip da se stavish u ulogu kupca a ne izdavaca. Boli mene djoka da li je neko uradio 50 komada ili 500,000. Cinjenica je da je skupo. Sta treba da se saosecam sa izdavacem sto ne moze da proda veci tiraz pa da prihvatim dranje. Nece moci. Uostalom sta smo mi humanitarci. Poredim relevantna izdanja i value for money. Jeste C&H b&w strip ali je u pitanju slican tip izdanja. Opet on ima 1,500 strana, slip case, dubinska stampa. Sve se to gleda...
U Francuskoj i jedan jebeni album od 48 strana moze da kosta malo bogatstvo, sto ne cini to ispravnim.
Citam stripovi, gledam pornici i živim za fajt!
Ne mozes usporedjivati, jer usporedjujes kruske i jabuke. C&H je npr. tiskan u Hong Kongu, sto mislis zasto? Kubertov Tex, A4, 240 stranica, full color, dakle slicno Comanche kosta 30% manje, jer je tiskan u koprodukciji zajedno sa finskim izdanjem, dakle to sve zavisi od brojnih faktora i treba posteno sve izvagnuti. Value for money je, slazem se, najbolji kriterij. U ovom slucaju sumnjam da je itko od kupaca Comanche nezadovoljan.
Inace, vec kad pricamo, kad se sjetim samo da jebena americka sveska sa 22 stranice stripa na sugavom papiru kosta 3$, muka mi dodje.
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simi
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 23:59:58
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ima jos jedna stvar cijenu oko 100$ drzi amazon com (sada sve skupa dodje oko 120$) to je cijena s popustom - recimo da je popust bio i u makarskoj-400 kn ali vecina prodavaca (BUD PLANT i sl.) drze cijenu oko 150 dolara (BEZ POSTARINE) pa onda COMANCHE postaje pravi bargain...o cemu mi pricaamo...calvin & Hobbes postaje duplo skuplji i sa sadasnjim tecajem dolara |
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Vorador
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Posted - 05/07/2006 : 00:08:07
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Ne kužim zašto se svi nervirate što Beli Put kasni sa izdavanjem. Pa kupujte rade orig. izdanja koja su ili jeftinija ili približno iste cijene( kap recimo V for Vendetta - http://www.morecomics.hr/?srch_cat=1&srch_str=v+for+vendetta) a kvalitetetnije odštampana. Možda kvaliteta papira i jeste lošija od BP ali je sve skupa bolje odštampano ( ameri i na dubretu od papira naprave odlican otisak dok tiskara koju koristi BP i na najkvalitetnijem papiru sjebe stvar). Uostalom filozofija TPB izdanja je da budu jeftinija od pojedinacnih sveski i dostupnija pa otuda i lošiji papir. |
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Dreamlord
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Posted - 05/07/2006 : 00:10:30
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Pa normalno da ti padne muka. Isto i meni. Zato lepo skinem sve sto me interesuje pa ako vredi kupim u trejdu. Ne patim od kolekcionarstva. Kupim samo ono sto vredi. Sveske kupujem na veliko po rasprodajama kad se neki nesrecnik zeni pa prodaje kolekciju . Onda mozes za par stotina zelembaca da uzmes preko 1,000 svescica 
Pa normalno da je upadanje u inostrani tiraz najjeftinija opcija. A to sto se C&H stampa u Hong Kongu, svaki aplauz. Ljudi se potrudili da to urade. Kod nas u okruzenju imas vrhunsku stampu u Bugarskoj za delic cene koja se forsira u Srbiji a za Hrvatsku da ne pominjem. Treba da napravi izdavac racunicu pa da postupi adekvatno.
Normalno da su svi zadovoljni ovom Comanchom, jer je i to cak jeftinije nego pojedinacno kupovati albume. Ali to opet ne znaci da je jeftino.
Zasto se vracam na Atlas. Koliki je tiraz Atlasa kod nas??? A uzmi u obzir da oni imaju vrhunski povez, stampu, papir, sve. Recimo ja sam kupio za 4,000 dinara (45 EUR) atlas naklade Fran koji je A3 formata, Preko 500 strana (ne znam sada tacno, valjda 700-800), koji je radjen u full coloru. I to nije offset stampa. Vec takozvana "duboka" stampa. Veoma je skupa, koristi se samo za vrhunsku kolor stampu kod atlasa zbog satelitski karti i sl, vrhunskih kataloga, Knjige o umetnosti gde je krucijalno da se dobije vrhunski otisak.
Razlika izmedju nje i recimo offseta je u intenzitetu boje. Tacka boje na offsetu je jednaka svuda, i rasterima se dobija osecaj dubine, jacine bolje i slicno. Duboka stampa razliciti intenzitet boja, svetla, dubine dobija kolicinom boje koja se nanosi na tacku. Tako da su boje mnogo zivlje i intezitet kod slika pogotovu dolazi do izrazaja.
I sada kako porediti cenu Comanche u poredjenju sa ovim...
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Edited by - Dreamlord on 05/07/2006 00:11:26 |
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