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Raspucin
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Barbados
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 00:12:22
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Dugo sam imao samo Megnusovog Teksonea. Potaknut komentarima nekih forumaša, kao i zvucnim imenima crtaca, rešio sam da prikupim ovu kolekciju. Teksone u ovom izdanju koje radi Strip agent stvarno izgleda lepo, ali ima par stvari koje mi pomalo bodu oci. 1. Na pola serije su promenili nacin plastifikacije korica, na pocetku je to bila sjajna, sad je plastificirano mat. 2. Promenili su vrstu hartije na kojoj se strip štampa, tako da je Kubertov deblji od Magnusovog, a imaju isti broj stranica. Cak je i Kubertov, pred kraj, raden na drugoj vrsti hartije. 3. Bok stripa je uraden prilicno jednostavno. Dobro, tada, kada je ovaj strip krenuo još uvek nije bila uobicajena stvar da se vodi racun o tom segmentu. Tad je dovoljno bilo raditi u tvrdim koricama da se mi oduševljavamo. Sad, ovo što kažem kažem kao, ipak, strip kolekcionar. Ovi stripovi bi trebalo da jesu nama i namenjeni, jel sa cenom koju imaju i nisu za ljude koji strip kupuju samo radi citanja. Kolekcionaru je važno da kad kolekcija ima odredeni broj stripova, na jednakom broju stranica, svi budu jednaki. Svi smo mi pomalo bolesni od toga, da nakon citanja odložimo strip na policu i da ga s vremena na vreme, sa posebnim guštom zagledujemo kako leži na polici. Jel istina? Istina je. Trebali su da povedu racuna o tome. Druga bitna stvar je ta što se ovo izdaje sad, pa ko zna kad ponovo. Možda tek za 10, 20 godina. Treba misliti o tome. Ljudi, shvatite da je to što radite nešto vredno, nešto što ce svoju cenu sa godinama samo da povecava. Ono što je bitnije je ipak sadržaj. Još par reci o njemu i necu više da vas gnjavim. Hm. Nije baš da je sranje, a opet nije ni da je sjajno, dene-dene, što bi rekli u ovim krajevima.
Magnusov je još i najbolji od ova tri koja cu komentarisati. Možda neko nešto može da zameri Niciju, ali on covek piše Teksa, koji je opet strip koji nema nekih velikih dubokomisaonih pretenzija. Teks je akcija i to dobra akcija koja se dešava na divljem zapadu. Ne bi ni trebalo od njega više tražiti. Kao takav, ovaj scenario ima smisla, ali opet... Kad pogledaš kako su dobre price bile u okviru regularnog stripa, krivo ti bude što ih nisu sacuvali za jedno ovakvo izdanje i jednog Magnusa. Šta recu o Magnusu, a ne preterati? Covek je strip stvarno uradio srcem, sa velikim s. U stripu su od prve table evidentni veliki rad, veliko požrtvovanje, velika ljubav i veliko umece. Nacin na koji je strip crtan, pokazuje, da je maestro želeo da stripocanstvu ostavi nešto zbog cega se možemo ponositi i cemu cemo se cesto vracati. U tom naumu je više nego uspeo.
Kubertov. Ajd sad, Vasicu, ajde. Jeste slab, da ga jebeš slab. Scenarijo je jedno takvo odradivanje posla da nemam reci. To je napisano tako, kao da su mrzeli onoga koji ce da crta. Mesto da je Teks u okviru onog obracuna sa bandom u gradu sredivao svu cetvoricu, oni su napravili takvu budalaštinu.... Reci nemam. Tek onaj majstorski nacrtani pad sa litice koji je naša junacina preživela je nešto što ne bi ni komentarisao. Kako ne beše i onom Kubertu žao, da onakve kadrove "baci" da bi Wiler ustao kao da mi nije ništa i nastavio da koka sve živo. Mislim da bi neko Niciju trebalo da kaže kad je doneo ovu pricu, da je lepo stavi u fioku, pa kad baš ne bude imao šta da ponudi da uzme i da ovo. I sam Kubert se nije baš proslavio. Ja, doduše nikad nisam citao ni jedan njegov strip, ali druga polovina ovog Teksonea mu je baš slaba. Ajde sad i nešto dobro. Prvu polovinu je covek nacrtao stvarno majstorski. Kakvi su ono kadrovi, moj bato. Pomenucu ponovo onaj pad sa litice, pokušaj silovanja one devojcice, pa neke od scena u gradu. Velike su i scene kad brat ubije brata. Alal vera majstore. Drugi deo je stvrno slabiji. Možda je covek video na šta ce sve do kraja izaci, pa je digao ruke i dovršio posao tek da bude dovršen. Takav mu je i uvodni interviju.
Milacov. Ja stvarno volim Milaca i to svi znate. Sad kad bi morao da izdvojim jednog crtaca koji mi je stvarno najomiljeniji to bi bio on, jedan, jedini. Nisi baš potkovan, Vasicu, rekli bi neki. Pa i nisam, ali od toga što znam volim Ivu Milaca. Ovde je zakazao. Nisam mogao da verujem da ce se to ikada desiti. Nakon sjajnih i još sjajnijih Kenova, uvek ocekuješ nešto još vece. Posebno kad se radi o Teksoneu, koji je cini mi se pitanje prestiža i posebne pocasti. Za divno cudo ovde scenarijo i nije tako loš. Nije života mi. Nici se potrudio da velikom Ivu ponudi pricu koja ima jedan dah Ken Parkera. Prica ima tih Berardijevih elemenata, kao : zamršeni meduljudski odnosi, otac ubija sina, zabranjena ljubav, incestuoznost... Sve to ne bi li u Teksu dao mali omaž Kenu. Cini se da je i radnju smestio u jesen, ne bi li Ivo crtao ono, za njega karateristicno opalo lišce. Da kažem i to, da scenario nije, i pored svega, baš neko cudo. Prepun je nelogicnosti. Kažem samo da je napisan sa ipak jednom pažnjom prema crtacu.Gde je tu Ivo Milaco. Nigde, ama baš nigde. Izuzev prvih par tabli ostalo je totalna rutina. U stripu nema ni jednog milacovskog kadra, ama baš ni jednog. Tako je ovo uradio kao da mu nije stalo, ama ni najmanje. Nije trebao tako. Kažem, Teksone bi trebao da bude posebna cast za crtaca, kao neka, jebem li ga, nagrada za životno delo.
Šta je drugari? Zagrejali ste se? Hocete još? Nema jebi ga. Tek sam ova tri kupio. O ostalima kad izadju. Kad smo vec kod izlaska... S obzirom na to da je ovo Teksov Mafest, oce li biti par Teksonea?
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Edited by - Raspucin on 04/05/2008 00:15:06
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Renky
stripovi.com suradnik
    

Croatia
11102 Posts
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 00:49:12
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Ništa cudno što je prominjen dizajn korica... to je bilo nekad... sad se i formati minjaju Doduše za Jeremiaha postoji opravdanje... tiskan je u Kopru ( SAF ) pa se nije moglo utjecati na finalni izgled jer je normalno ocekivati da ce biti ok kao i prethodna izdanja. A eto... dogodi se.
Što se tice papira, nisi u pravu. Spomenuti je u koloru i zbog toga je na takvoj vrsti papira koja je finija i tanja pa je i izdanje tanje. Mislim da tu nebi tribalo biti zamjerki. Al' da materijala za kritiku ima... to stoji. |
"Zlocin je spomenuti reci "velikani" i "umetnost" u kontekstu sa Zagorom, veruj mi..." - Manhunter |
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Raspucin
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Barbados
2411 Posts
Member since 17/10/2006 |
Posted - 04/05/2008 : 01:02:52
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quote: Originally posted by Renky
Ništa cudno što je prominjen dizajn korica... to je bilo nekad... sad se i formati minjaju Doduše za Jeremiaha postoji opravdanje... tiskan je u Kopru ( SAF ) pa se nije moglo utjecati na finalni izgled jer je normalno ocekivati da ce biti ok kao i prethodna izdanja. A eto... dogodi se.
Što se tice papira, nisi u pravu. Spomenuti je u koloru i zbog toga je na takvoj vrsti papira koja je finija i tanja pa je i izdanje tanje. Mislim da tu nebi tribalo biti zamjerki. Al' da materijala za kritiku ima... to stoji.
Ne znam kakv je tvoj, ali meni je taj Kubertov pred kraj raden na onom papiru na kome rade crno-bela izdanja. |
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76
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Croatia
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 18:42:34
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Ja ih imam svih devet i Kubertov je daleko najtanji i to zato što je izdan u boji, pa je raden na gladem i tanjem papiru. Sljedeca cetiri (Magnus, Parlov, Bernet, Font) imaju glatke korice, dok zadnja cetiri izašla za CRŠ (Galep, Ticci, Ortiz, Milazzo) imaju matirane korice koji mi se osobno više svidaju, ali su i za cca 1 cm viši od prvih pet. To i nije neki veliki problem, samo što ih ja na policu slažem po originalnoj talijanskoj kronologiji, a ne našoj, pa mi Milazzov stoji izmedu Fontovog i Kubertovog i "strši". Inace, preporucio bih upravo Fontovog Texonea i to zato što je scenarij pisao Boselli, pa je prica najbolja. Nažalost, na MAFEST-u nece biti novih Texonea, ali hoce vrlo skoro nakon njega (šapnula mi "pticica") |
The best you can say for football is that it has given the working man a subject for conversation. |
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Raspucin
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Barbados
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Vid
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Slovenia
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Raspucin
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Barbados
2411 Posts
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 19:24:34
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DA smo zdravo. Ni meni se ne žuri. Zna li se koji su autori tih Teksonea koji nisu izašli? |
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MaTex
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Raspucin
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Barbados
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 19:47:45
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quote: Originally posted by MaTex
U Italiji bi uskoro trebao osvanuti 22. texone,kaskat cemo mi još za njima.Neke bi bilo dobro i preskociti.
Vidi ti to, a ja sam ocekivao da ih nema više od petnaestak. Znaš li, možda koji su autori? |
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MaTex
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 19:51:01
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Sve potpisuje Nizzi,crtaci su uglavnom 'iz Bonellija',izuzetak je Colin Wilson.Možda baš njegov bude u slijedecoj rundi(gdje je sad ona pticica). |
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Malicius
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 19:52:20
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quote: Originally posted by MaTex
Sve potpisuje Nizzi,crtaci su uglavnom 'iz Bonellija',izuzetak je Colin Wilson.Možda baš njegov bude u slijedecoj rundi(gdje je sad ona pticica).
pticice, gdje si ti u Makarskoj neku vece, sunce li ti tvoje   |
"Don't pick a fight, but if you find yourself in one, i suggest you make damn sure you win."
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MaTex
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76
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Croatia
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 20:26:07
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quote: Originally posted by MaTex
Sve potpisuje Nizzi,crtaci su uglavnom 'iz Bonellija',izuzetak je Colin Wilson.Možda baš njegov bude u slijedecoj rundi(gdje je sad ona pticica).
Jedan od sljedeca cetiri je Wilsonov (opet "pticica"). |
The best you can say for football is that it has given the working man a subject for conversation. |
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Malicius
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Germany
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 20:37:32
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s obzirom da je samo jedan od njega nije tesko pogoditi koji je u pitanju    a ostaje pitanje koja su preostala tri    |
"Don't pick a fight, but if you find yourself in one, i suggest you make damn sure you win."
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76
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Croatia
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 20:41:50
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Ne znam smijem li toliko odat... |
The best you can say for football is that it has given the working man a subject for conversation. |
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night
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Posted - 04/05/2008 : 23:17:47
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Za neme je Magnusov neprevazidjem do sad-fenomenalan.Samo covek da pogleda kako je uradio onu trvdjavu-zamak, svaka se cigla vidi. Posle toga mi je Ortizov vrhunski.Volim njegov crtez. Najgori-Kjubert i Galepini.Svaka cast sto je Kjubertov u boji, ali je "Amerikanizovan" do srzi.Galepini jeste KLASIKA ali ga nesto ne mirisem. |
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Vid
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Posted - 06/05/2008 : 17:22:28
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quote: Originally posted by MaTex
Sve potpisuje Nizzi,crtaci su uglavnom 'iz Bonellija',izuzetak je Colin Wilson.Možda baš njegov bude u slijedecoj rundi(gdje je sad ona pticica).
Ne baš sasvim sve. |
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Thommo
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mladen13
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srdjandj
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Posted - 13/05/2008 : 13:14:28
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Meni su svi dobri. Sto se tice korica, vise volim ove matirane. |
Iz Vršca stiže glas, u vinu leži spas, ko vino ne pije, taj nek se ubije!!! |
Edited by - srdjandj on 13/05/2008 13:21:42 |
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