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kerber
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Fyro Macedonia
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 02:08:06
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je sve junake strpao u jednu ediciju(sa vremenom bi mogao pustiti i drugu}..kao ZS i LMS Sada bismo imali jednu finu kolekciju od 50 tak stripova(numerirani,1-50)..ne bi sada imali 5-6 stripa numerirani sa brojem 1,(sto me strasno nervira)nego samo jedan i vredan Ne bi sad cekali po 1-2 meseca nastavak zagora ili M.No-a..jednostavno po meni bi bilo bolje da je VC isao po principu Dnevnika,sve na jednom mestu....A mislim da bi tako i prodaja bila puno veca.
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ozasloscena_sovuljaga
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 02:12:20
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prbllem ti je u tome kada bi drugi tjedan izasao nastavak Zagora, onaj prethodni bi morao biti povucen sa kioska, pa dolazimo do toga da bi bio u prodaji svega tjedan dana, sto nije dobro. Ovako je svaki junak na kiosku u prodaji minimalno mjesec dana |
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kerber
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Fyro Macedonia
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 02:18:13
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A zasto bi bio povucen?Zapravo koja fajda da stoji i jos mesec dana,ako se prodaje,prodace se prvih par dana,ko ima nameru da ga kupi,kupice ga jos prvog dana...pa jedva cekamo da izadze,jel?  |
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---dp---
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 02:32:36
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quote: Originally posted by kerber
A zasto bi bio povucen?Zapravo koja fajda da stoji i jos mesec dana,ako se prodaje,prodace se prvih par dana,ko ima nameru da ga kupi,kupice ga jos prvog dana...pa jedva cekamo da izadze,jel? 
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Le Samourai
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kerber
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Fyro Macedonia
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Le Samourai
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 02:54:46
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Normalno da nije, ima tu gomila razloga. Prvo: shto vishe izdanja na kiosku - veci deo posvecen stripovima - vishe su primetni - vishe ljudi chuje/vidi/hoce da kupi. Drugo - shto duzhe na kiosku - duzhe u prodaji - ljudi vishe puta vide na kisoku - vishe se proda. Trece: jasno se vidi ko se koliko prodaje, pa se shodno tome modifikuje tirazh po herojima. I tako dalje, i tako dalje, i tako dalje... |
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ozasloscena_sovuljaga
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 02:57:58
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quote: Originally posted by kerber
A zasto bi bio povucen?Zapravo koja fajda da stoji i jos mesec dana,ako se prodaje,prodace se prvih par dana,ko ima nameru da ga kupi,kupice ga jos prvog dana...pa jedva cekamo da izadze,jel? 
Ne mogu dva izdanja iz iste edicije biti istovremeno na kiosku. Dakle, cim drugi tjedan dodje novi zagor na kioske, onaj prethodni se mora povuc. Takvi su propisi |
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teller
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Slovenia
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 07:27:17
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Nije ni to tako loša ideja, uvesti dva serijala ZLATNI CETVRTAK i ZLATNI PONEDELJAK, u svakom serijalu izlaze po 4 junaka po jedan mesecno, brojevi od 1 nadalje. Što se prodaje tice, bila bi i bolja, jer svaki junak bi bio na kioscima po mjesec dana, pa kad su numerirani svi po redu, netko ko ne voli Dampira kupio bi i njega, jer je dio kolekcije. Kerberu-ideja super-samo kako bi bila izvodljiva u ova vremena, drugo je pitanje. A Zagor se kod Ludensa i VC proda u 14 dana isto kao u mjesecu dana.Tako da ne napadajte decka za dobru ideju-kad boljih nemate.
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kerber
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Fyro Macedonia
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 10:26:46
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quote: Originally posted by Le Samourai
Normalno da nije, ima tu gomila razloga. Prvo: shto vishe izdanja na kiosku - veci deo posvecen stripovima - vishe su primetni - vishe ljudi chuje/vidi/hoce da kupi. Drugo - shto duzhe na kiosku - duzhe u prodaji - ljudi vishe puta vide na kisoku - vishe se proda. Trece: jasno se vidi ko se koliko prodaje, pa se shodno tome modifikuje tirazh po herojima. I tako dalje, i tako dalje, i tako dalje...
Neznam odakle si,ali kod nas stripovi kupuju samo koolekcionari koji znaju sta ce izaci narednih 2 meseca,ne treba da ima brdo stripova na kiosku da bi se uhvatio neki kolekcionar da kupuje,jel?A novi kupci..oni bi mogli poceti da kupuju i od broja 7,29,54 pa nadalje,bilo je to nekad kad su ljudi kupovali samo da bi procitali strip. Uostalom,tema mi je bila "Eh kad bi bilo",ne dajem ja sad ideju VC,nego kazem da po meni bi bilo bolje da su isli sa svim junacima u jednu ediciju,upravo radi toga sto dole kaze teller,niko ne bi preskakao Dampira ili bilo koga,da ne bi napravio rupu u svoju kolekciju. Inace,upravo sad kod nas na kiock ima zagor Vc br.6,7,8,zasto je to tako? Zasto nisu povuceni brojevi 6 i 7?
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kerber
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Fyro Macedonia
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 10:40:12
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Evo upravo sad sam isao u pretrazivanje da vidim koliko stripova su izasli u Slobodna Dalmacija,510 komada(jos i da dodamo Ludensa)...prvi put vidim onog Nippera,da je kom slucaju SD izdavala stripove na ovaj nacin,sad bi neki ljudi noge polomili da nabave SD br.6,7(od ukupno 510),pa nek je i Nipper,isto kao sto sad puno ljudi zele da imaju npr.zs 5 - Veliki Dzudok,koji kad ga dobiju,mozda ga i nikad ne procitaju,ali bitno je da se ima,da se potpuni kolekcija.
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mezzano
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Serbia
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 11:00:18
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Ja ne kupujem sve junake, pa bi mi bilo bezveze da su strpani u jednu ediciju. A i sto se tice toga, da li je bolje da strip bude na kiosku 6 dana ili 30 dana, normalno da je bolje 30. |
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teller
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Slovenia
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 13:52:01
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E moj Mezzano, i ti si mi neki fan Veselog Cetvrtka, a ne kupuješ sve njihove stripove. Ili pocni ili zameni sliku. Šalim se naravno bez ljutnje, ali osobno mislim, da bi se više prodalo, kad bi išli kao nekad u ZS i LMS, svi junaci u istoj numeraciji.A što se prodaje tice siguran sam, da se 99 % Zagora proda u prvih 14 dana, neki slucajan prolaznik možda kupi strip i kasnije. E gdje bi vec bili sa Zagorom extra da ide 14-dnevno.Tako cemo mnogi prije ostarit nego uhvatit redovnog iz SD-Vuk kaplan.
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mister-no
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---dp---
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 14:06:14
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quote: Originally posted by teller
E moj Mezzano, i ti si mi neki fan Veselog Cetvrtka, a ne kupuješ sve njihove stripove. Ili pocni ili zameni sliku. Šalim se naravno bez ljutnje, ali osobno mislim, da bi se više prodalo, kad bi išli kao nekad u ZS i LMS, svi junaci u istoj numeraciji.A što se prodaje tice siguran sam, da se 99 % Zagora proda u prvih 14 dana, neki slucajan prolaznik možda kupi strip i kasnije. E gdje bi vec bili sa Zagorom extra da ide 14-dnevno.Tako cemo mnogi prije ostarit nego uhvatit redovnog iz SD-Vuk kaplan.
Ni ti teller nemas pojma, ali zaista. Distriuterske kuce rade povremeno presek stanja nakon nekog vremena (na zahtev izdavaca) i tacno se zna koliko procenata se prodaje u kojim vremenskim intervalima. "Dnevnik" je drzao stripove duze od nedelju dana jer je tako mogao, jer je imao svoju distribuciju pa je kao veliki distributer mogao to da zahteva i od ostalih distributera. |
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mezzano
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Serbia
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 14:09:18
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quote: Originally posted by teller
E moj Mezzano, i ti si mi neki fan Veselog Cetvrtka, a ne kupuješ sve njihove stripove. Ili pocni ili zameni sliku. Šalim se naravno bez ljutnje, ali osobno mislim, da bi se više prodalo, kad bi išli kao nekad u ZS i LMS, svi junaci u istoj numeraciji.A što se prodaje tice siguran sam, da se 99 % Zagora proda u prvih 14 dana, neki slucajan prolaznik možda kupi strip i kasnije. E gdje bi vec bili sa Zagorom extra da ide 14-dnevno.Tako cemo mnogi prije ostarit nego uhvatit redovnog iz SD-Vuk kaplan.
Jbg kad nemam para za sve . A i ne cita mi se Dampyr. Kupujem ono sto sam citao kao klinac, nista vise. Zagor, Tex, No, Marti |
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quaresma
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teller
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 15:20:26
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E moj ---dp-- ja možda nemam pojma, ali ako si ti tako dobro obavešten, onda nas razsvetli,a ako znaš toliko ko ja, onda obojica nemamo pojma. Ja samo kažem, da se Zagora u 14 dana proda vecideo, sledecih 14 dana možda još koji primjerak.I još kažem, da bi voleo novu ZS i LMS, sve bi bilo isto ko sada, samo bi stripovi bili u istoj numeraciji.Kakvi dodatki u stripovima, isto ko sada samo bi išlo recimo: broj 1¸ Zagor broj 2 Tex 3 Mister No 4 Dampir
To bi bila jedna edicija a neki novi junaki druga, tako bi po dva stripa tjedno izlazili junaci mjesecnim tempo. To je moja želja-znam neizvodljiva ali.... |
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kico
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kerber
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Fyro Macedonia
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 15:36:17
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quote: Originally posted by teller
E moj ---dp-- ja možda nemam pojma, ali ako si ti tako dobro obavešten, onda nas razsvetli,a ako znaš toliko ko ja, onda obojica nemamo pojma. Ja samo kažem, da se Zagora u 14 dana proda vecideo, sledecih 14 dana možda još koji primjerak.I još kažem, da bi voleo novu ZS i LMS, sve bi bilo isto ko sada, samo bi stripovi bili u istoj numeraciji.Kakvi dodatki u stripovima, isto ko sada samo bi išlo recimo: broj 1¸ Zagor broj 2 Tex 3 Mister No 4 Dampir
To bi bila jedna edicija a neki novi junaki druga, tako bi po dva stripa tjedno izlazili junaci mjesecnim tempo. To je moja želja-znam neizvodljiva ali....
Ne,islo bi ovako: broj 1,Zagor broj 2,Zagor broj 3,Zagor broj 4,Dampir broj 5,Tex broj 6,Tex ............ Kao u stara dobra vremena,ipak je neko od izdavaca trebao da ide na kartu nostalgije za ZS i LMS..kad vec znaju da smo 90% iz tog vremena  |
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Poli
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 15:41:36
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Uff, bolje je ovako, svaki mjesec novi junak i u "svojoj ediciji", ko u Italiji. I ja ne kupujem sve pa ne bih mjesao kruske i jabuka. :p |
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Obi-wan
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 15:58:26
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quote: Originally posted by Poli
Uff, bolje je ovako, svaki mjesec novi junak i u "svojoj ediciji", ko u Italiji. I ja ne kupujem sve pa ne bih mjesao kruske i jabuka. :p
Takoder mi je bolje ovako. Da ide kao ZS i LMS, ja ništa ne bih kupovao. Taj sistem mi se nije svidao ni onda kada sam bio klinac, a ne svida mi se ni sada. Sorry Kerberu.  |
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Le Samourai
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 17:27:27
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Ako pretpostavimo da svih 18000 Zagora, 16000 Dilana, 12000 Mister Noa i 10000 Dampira kupuju pomahnitali fanovi od 35 godina, i to u prvih nedelju dana izdanja, onda ste u pravu.
Naravno, nishta od toga ne mozhe biti istina, te niste u pravu. |
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---dp---
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 18:42:48
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Ja sam se na ovakav ritam izlazenja vec navikao. Ono mi je bilo bolje samo iz jednog razloga - sto su brzo izlazili nastavci. |
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satko
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 18:52:18
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Sad cu nešto reci pa me izbacite sa foruma . Ljudi, cast svim izdavacima sa podrucja bivše zemlje koji su ikad i koji još uvijek izdaju striopove, hvala im puno na epizodama i junacima koje nam donose, na kraju hvala im za uopšte izdavanje stripa (govorim samo za Bonellija jer jedino to i citam) ali (kad smo vec kod Bonellija) ovo što neki od nas citaju od 1968 godine nije ni nalik onome što Sergio Bonelli Editore radi vec godinama u Italiji. Strip u Italiji je veliki biznis, koji je to postao zahvaljujuci prvenstveno italijanskim autorima (scenaristima i crtacima koji su u mnogo slucajeva akademski gradani, obrazovani ljudi, književnici, novinari, arhitekte, likovni umjetnici, itd. dakle, ljudi od struke, koji su svoje znanje i sposobnosti upotrijebili u cilju proizvodnje zabave-stripa). Sve što se izdaje i što se ikad izdavalo na podrucju bivše Juge a potice od Sergio Bonell Editore jeste samo kopija originala, da mi ne zamjeri niko ali zašto mjenjati nešto što funkcioniše vec 50 godine u Italiji. Tu prije svega mislim na nacin izllaženja pojedinih junaka. Sada kada smo konacno prihvatili njihov nacin objavljivanja epizoda nekog od junaka (svaki u svojoj posebnoj ediciji) zašto ga mijenjati? Sreten Draškovic, dugogodišnji direktor NIŠRO Dnevnik je pokrenuo izdavanje stripa u Jugi sredinom šezdesetih godina i to je funkcionisalo dok je dnevnik imao monopol jer je otkupljivao prava na sva izdanja Sergio Bonellija (dakle velika vecina onog što danas citamo) a to je uradio zato da neko nebi otkupio prava na nekog junaka koji se možda trenutno slabije prodaje. Zato je u ranijim godinama dnevnika i bilo slucajeva da se godinu dvije i izdaje po jedna junak (pocetkom sedamdesetih dvije ili tri godien u ZS je izlazio samo Komandant Mark a slicno je bilo i sa Zagorom u LMS u dva navrata). Zakljucak, treba da svaki junak izlazi u posebnoj seriji. Takode, treba se potruditi da sva naša izdanja lice što vjernije originalnom italijanskom izdanju. Usvim detaljima, u boji hrbata, korice, fonta naslova, kvalitetu papira jer samo u tom slucaju imao izvorni proizvod. Licno mišljenje: strip "našeg" izdavaca bi trebao da ima samo kvalitetan prevod a da ispunjava sve ostale standarde italijanskog originala. |
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King Warrior
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Posted - 10/11/2008 : 19:08:23
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quote: Originally posted by kerber
je sve junake strpao u jednu ediciju(sa vremenom bi mogao pustiti i drugu}..kao ZS i LMS Sada bismo imali jednu finu kolekciju od 50 tak stripova(numerirani,1-50)..ne bi sada imali 5-6 stripa numerirani sa brojem 1,(sto me strasno nervira)nego samo jedan i vredan Ne bi sad cekali po 1-2 meseca nastavak zagora ili M.No-a..jednostavno po meni bi bilo bolje da je VC isao po principu Dnevnika,sve na jednom mestu....A mislim da bi tako i prodaja bila puno veca.
Pa ideja nije losa ali Zagor,DD i ostali velikani treba da zadrze svoju seriju. Oni nepoznatiji bi se mogli smjenjivati u jednom serijalu tek tako da ih narod malo bolje upozna a prodavali bi se mozda bolje nego pojedinacno, ako nista drugo onda iz kolekcionarskih razloga bi mnogi kupovali taj serijal |
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