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Posted - 09/01/2002 : 18:17:18
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Uf, a ja sam se samo salio sa ddfan-om po pitanju Dylan Doga, a vi napraviste citavu diskusiju. Ma i meni je Dylan Dog medju najdrazima, da budem iskren, posle Zagora bio je to jedini strip lik kojeg sam ozbiljno skupljao i cije sam imao sve brojeve, i on je prvi kojeg cu se ozbiljno prihvatiti da ga ponovo nabavim u celini. A to sta je u Italiji na kojem mestu nije nikakvo merilo. Oni i dalje najvise citaju Teksa (bljak). Ako cemo o italijanima, njihov ukus i nije neki (na primer, oni jedu zabe - opet bljak). Od svega, jedino mi se svidjaju italijanke (i to ne sve vec samo probrane).
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Posted - 09/01/2002 : 18:52:15
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Ja necu uopce ulaziti u raspravu koji je junak bolji jer to nema smisla, naravno. To je tako osbna stvar da se tu nema sta previse raspravljati. Ono sto bi ti htiuo reci DDfane je da je u Italiji Dylan na Drugom mjestu, da, ali da je izgubio ogroman dio publike iz zlatnog perioda i da je u konstantnom padu i u krizi. Taj sam dojam stekao prateci talijanske news grupe, mailing liste i slicna mjesta gdje navracaju i autori i publika i raspravljaju o trenutnim izdanjima i svemu ostalom sto se stripa tice. S druge strane, Zagor je nakon strasne krize sa kraja 80-tih i pocetka 90-tih jako uznapredovao i vratio velik broj publike i trenutno mu je buducnost dosta svijetla jer specijalni brojevi idu cesce (Maxi i almanah) i jos se navodno priprema "Zagorone" - tj. Zagorov gigant. Naravno i dalje je po broju prodanih primjeraka on puno ispod Dylana, ali moras racunati i to da Zagor traje 40 godina a Dylan samo 16... Pitanje je sto ce biti s Dylanom za 25 godina:-)
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kasper
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Posted - 09/01/2002 : 21:18:31
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E pa DDfan ti bas tesko podosis realnost. Volim i ja DD, ali baz Sclavija licice na siroce. Nego sto se tice krize nevoljno si se zafrknuo(upotrbio bih odgvarajucu rec ali ce biti pozvezdana). Kada je Zagor zaglibio u blato pocetkom 80-tih pogodio ko je tada radio njegove price. Pogodio si - tvoj omiljeni dramski pisac. Dalje spomenuo sam SD i prodaju tamo, jer ovo podrucije smatram jednim trzistem za stripove, a i slicnos medju narodima i narodnostima ovde je velika. Naravno zbog razlika se koljemo, ali nadam se da toga vise nece biti. E sad kada je otprilike jasno ko je ovde gazda ti mi dovlacis Dilna iz Italije da sj..e naseg Zagora. ALi ako bih ja doveo Texa iz Italije da prebije tvog Dilana sta bi onda rekao. Naravno predpostavljam da ces mi sada trucati kako je u Zambiji DD popularniji on njihovog VUDU - BUDUA, ali ostavi se tih prica prijatelju moj. Jos si mlad decka i moze se nauciti jos dosta toga. E sto se tice informacije da je Vanniniju prodavaniji DD to bi bilo tacno ako uzmes prostor ako Stubova kulture, Filozofskog faxa, i centrale Djindjiceve stranke. Moras znati i to da oni uopste nevole Zagora, a da im je gazda kolekciona DD. Sto je najgore koliko sam svatio mrze TEX-a. Po njima on se sada u Italiji gasi. U krajnjoj liniji mogao bi se ti Colte uhvatiti teskog zadatka - da opismenis Srbe. Jeb... srce mi place kada vidim MM i MN na kioscima, a njega negde daleko u tudjini........
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Kruger
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kasper
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Posted - 09/01/2002 : 21:44:52
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Dakle Kruger ja tipicni predstavnik obozavatelja DD. Mrzi ostale likove i zeli im lomacu. Ipak mi otali nismo takvi. Barem ja nisam. DD zelim sve najbolje, tj da mu Sclavi napise sto vise lepih prica, i da crtaci crtaju kao sto su crtali nekad. Dakle ako se ja pitam za DD uvek imam ispruzen palac na gore. Ziveo DD!!!
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Posted - 09/01/2002 : 23:53:56
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Ne zelim ni ja da se svadjam Kaspere jer mozda,kada se sretnemo sledeci put,ne uspes da zadrzis ruku...   Dakle OK DD-u opada popularnost to se slazem,ali sasvim je normalno da posle 100tinjak epizoda odusevljenje splasne,to se sigurno desilo kod svakog junaka.Ali on se jos uvek drzi na 2. mestu po prodaji a,ponavljam,jos ni jedno izdanje nije preskoceno.Dakle kada se to desi onda se mozete javiti,a do tada shut the fuck up!   Ali niposto nisam od tih koji vole samo jednog junaka i zele "smrt" svim ostalima(a mislim da ni Kruger nije od tih).Procitao sam 95 % svih Zagorovih epizoda i imam veoma visoko misljenje o njemu.Pokusavam da govorim objektivno.Zagor je nesumnjivo na nasim prostorima stekao veliku popularnost ali to je bilo kada je SBE imao 3-4 kvalitetna serijala od kojih je Zagor jednostavno bio najbolji.Postojao je Tex,Zagor,mali rendzer,Tim i Dasti...Od svih ovih junaka Zagor je nesumnjivo bio najkvalitetniji pa je narod izabrao njega da cita i to je trajalo sve do kraja ZS.To je bila tradicija,nesto slicno kao Tex u Italiji...Ali kada je SBE uveo MM,DD,NN,NR...Zagorova popularnost je naglo opala jer je naglo nastao veliki izbor junaka protiv kojih on vise nije mogao da vodi trku(a bas tada se poklopila i redukcija Ferrijevih i kraj Donatellijevih epizoda)...Uvodjenjem horrora,SF-a i krimica western jednostano vise nije bio zanimljiv.Ovde je Tex izuzetak iz dobro poznatih razloga.Danas ipak pod Bosellijem i Burattinijem stvari idu nabolje za Zagora i nek zivi jos 100 godina!(a DD jos 150 ) Znaci nije Sclavi krivac opadanja Zagorove popularnosti vec Italijani koji nisu hteli vise da ga kupuju...  Podaci o prodavanosti vanninijevih izdanja nisu sa stubova kulture vec direktno ili indirektno od Rusalica.Uostalom pitaj Colta on je jos tacniji izvor informacija...
 I jos nesto sto vec dugo zelim da ti kazem(Kaspere):kada bih ispred tebe stavio 5 DD epizoda,1 radio Sclavi a 4 npr. Chiaverotti garantujem da ne bi znao(naravno nakon sto ih procitas) koju je radio Sclavi.Hocu da ti kazem da je potpuno bezveze citati samo Sclavijeve epizode jer je i on imao promasaja("nojev let") a opet ostali scenaristi su imali odlicnih epizoda.Stoga ja ti predlazem:citaj sve redom jer ovaj junak toliko vredi!(kakav zakljucak,a?)  
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Posted - 10/01/2002 : 00:15:17
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Naravno ne samo da bi volio da Zagor izlazi vec bi volio da izlazi i moj najgori junak Lazarius kojeg ponekad citam Ustvari procitao sam sve epizode naravno koje su izasle kod nas
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Zole
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Posted - 10/01/2002 : 01:00:37
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Nije Sclavi kriv za tadasnji pad Zagorove popularnosti, vec je iskljucivi krivac Toninelli, koji je bio glavni i odgovorni tada. Iako meni te epizode uopce nisu lose, dapace. Puno mi je drazi Zagor bio tada, nego sada kad su price odlicne, a crtez katastrofa. BTW, procitao sam da je Bonelli apsolutno odusevljen sto je 'umjetnika Chiarollu' uspio dovesti u Zagorov staff. Pateticno.
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Colt
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Posted - 10/01/2002 : 01:52:56
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Sto se tice uporedjivanja koji je junak bolji,svako ima svog favorita tako da su rasprave cesto bespredmetne...A sto se tice popularnosti pojedinih junaka,Zagor je ovde i u Turskoj(verovatno) ispred Texa npr...ali recimo sam nabavio proslogodisnje primerke Zagora iz Brazila i Francuske gde pise traktat o ponovnom(u Brazilu vec cetvrtom) vracanju Zagora u prodaju jer je cesto bio obustavljan dok Tex ide neprekidno vec dugo godina....sem naseg i turskog trzista ,u "obracunu" Texa i Zagor Tex je uvek bolje,negde i mnogo bolje prolazio jer je i izdavan u mnogo vise zemalja...ovde je Dnevnik zeznuo stvar time sto je objavljivao praistorijske texove koje su reprintovali X puta tako da je ogroman broj kvalitetnih epizoda preskocen,skracen itd....Takodje Zagor ce ovde uvek bolje prolaziti od bilo kog drugog "westerna" jer i nije western po vokaciji,sem sto se radnja desava u prvoj polovini 19.veka samo okruzenje je neuobicajeno za pomenuti zanr,jer je veliki broj epizoda radjen totalno u okviru SF-a,fantasyja ili horora,dok se elementi kao sto su US Army,predstavnici zakona itd. pojavljuju sporadicno a oni su cesto nosioci westerna....stoga bi recimo Magico Vento verovatno lose prosao kod nas bez obzira na nesporan kvalitet jer price,iako imaju odredjenu dozu horora i mistike,obiluju desavanjima vezanim za istinite indijanske obicaje i slice dosta onima o KP-u,a svi znamo kako je on neslavno prosao uprkos kvalitetu....Za kraj,Zagor je nesporno kvalitetan junak,posle Texa meni omiljen Bonellijev,i uvek ga rado citam ali sam samo zeleo da skrenem paznju na to da ljudi previse potenciraju "Zagor se kod nas vise cita od Texa,stoga Tex sucks" jer je u svetu generalno potpuno obrnut slucaj....
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Posted - 10/01/2002 : 03:10:51
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Ne mogu da verujem da je covek koji je godinama kreirao lik Zagora zajedno sa Ferrijem moze da voli stil kakav ima Chiarolla ?????
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Tonka
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Posted - 11/01/2002 : 23:46:45
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Markose Markose ti izgleda znaš više nego šta želiš reci. Ta obavijest o Zagorovom gigantu je trebala dobiti mjesto u rubrici novosti a ne samo da je ovako spomeneš.Ajde reci mi da li se taj gigant priprema za ovu ili sljedecu godinu ili je to samo neslužbena glasina
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Zole
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Posted - 12/01/2002 : 01:29:31
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Zagorov Gigant, tj. "Zagorone" je samo zelja talijanskih fanova, a nikako nije realnost. Bar za sada. A i Marko ti je rekao da je to 'navodno'. Nema nikakvog sluzbenog ocitovanja o tome.
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Posted - 12/01/2002 : 09:16:27
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Hmmm, Zole nije "ZAGORONE" samo zelja fanova i nekakva fikcija. Cijela ekipa koja radi na Zagoru vec neko vrijeme planira taj potez. Uostalom pitaj Colta o tome, covjek zna nesto vise!
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Colt
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Posted - 12/01/2002 : 12:58:35
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Da,ta ideja postoji jos od 1994 godine,i do danas se razvlaci jer Bonelli nije previse naklonjen tom projektu...Burattini i Boselli su pokusali da ubede Bonellija da napise scenario za prvog "Zagoronea" pod cuvenim pseudonimom Guido Nolitta,crtez bi naravno bio poveren Ferriju,ali za sada je "status quo"....
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Darkwood Devil
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Posted - 12/01/2002 : 13:45:20
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Ne bi mogao biti savrseniji pocetak serijala "ZAGORONE" da scenario napise Guido Nolitta a crtez obavi Gallieno Ferri. Mislim da bi tako nesto bilo rasprodano u rekordnom vremenu. Jos da se nabaci naslovnica u tehnici koju Angelo Stano koristi za DD gigante i imali bi pravo remek-dijelo, je li tako Colte?

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Posted - 12/01/2002 : 21:00:35
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Bilo bi to sjajno (samo kad bi se i ostvarilo). Inace, kad smo vec kod Ferrija, zna se da on jos uvek radi (na primer, 500. Zenith u decembru ove godine, da ne spominjem tek objavljenu epizodu sa Kandraxom), ali znatno manje nego ranije. Da li se zna nesto o njegovim planovima za buducnost, to jest, do kada namerava raditi i kojom tempom. Poredjenja radi, Dik Browne je crtao, i to vrlo aktivno, do svoje 84. godine (tad je i umro, mozda i sa perom u ruci, jer je bukvalno radio do poslednjeg sekunda)
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Doc
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Posted - 25/01/2002 : 09:07:31
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Nisam puno razmišljao, napravio sam ljestvicu na brzinu. Na prvom mjestu Mister No saga "Dvoboj na Pantanalu" (LMS), iza njega Tex "Carsonova prošlost" (SD) a na trecem Zagor "Sjene nad Darkwoodom" (SD). Ipak, još nisam sve procitao.
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