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Tonka
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Posted - 24/01/2002 : 21:28:20
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Ddevile kako to misliš da mi ona izjava nije trebala?? Svako ima svoju slobodu mišljenja i svoj ukus. Ja nisam za propast ostalih junaka (pogotovo ne Dylana i Nathana) ali jednostavno oni nisu dovoljno razvijeni u nas i kakav je cilj skupljanja Nathana kada ima preko 80 neobjavljenih brojeva a Ludens ga još izdaje u 6 br. godišnje pri cemu radi još veci zaostatak za talijanima. Jednostavno se pomiri s tim da je na našim prostorima živnuo jedino Zagor i to je to
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purger
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Croatia
36 Posts
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Posted - 24/01/2002 : 22:03:05
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U potpunosti se slazem sa Tonkom. Jedino Zagor i Dylan izlaze redovito, tj. prate talijanski ritam. Za Zagora još jedan plus Extra serija i to jednom mjesecno (iako bi po meni trebala izlaziti dva puta mjesecno i sigurno bi se 80% prodalo, smanjiti nakladu???). Pocnite vec jednom razmisljati!!! Neka krene Zagor u potpunosti (redovna serija 1mj, extra 1-2mj, specijalci stari i novi) i kada sve to zazivi i kada se ljudi naviknu da pred kioskom vide dosta izdanja pocece kupovati stripove, pa ce se ista stvar moci napraviti i sa Nathanom, MM, Mr.N itd. Za pocetak mogucnost potpune kolekcije Zagora na nasem jeziku, a poslije i ostalih junaka. Od Slobodne imam sva izdanja od svakog junaka ali sada od Ludensa kupujem samo Zagora jer ovo ostalo vise nema smisla. 6 brojeva godisnje? KATASTROFA.
Inace meni osobno je Nathan odma poslije Zagora, a MM iza njega. DD mi se uopce vise ne svidja, a i Mr.N je jako pao u kvaliteti. Tex ima dobrih epizoda, ali malo pomalo je sve postalo na isti kalup.
Nisam za ukidanje nekih junaka, dapace daj Boze da ih ima sve vise i vise, ali sa ovakvim ritmom ljudi ce ih prestati kupovati. Treba izgraditi (prvi puta u povijesti na ovim prostorima) zdrave temelje sa jednim junakom, pa onda prosiriti djelatnost na sve ostale i to po istom principu. Svi vi slinite za talijanskim specijalcima, gigantima i almanasima, a to je moguce i u Hrvatskoj samo polako. Ako Ludensu prodaja bude isla dobro krenut ce oni i na specijalce, ali ako nastave sa dvomjesecnim izdanjima NN i MM propast ce i onda necemo imati nista. Sta vi mislite kolika je tiraza ovih stripova kod nas? I koliko se toga proda? Ljudi ce prestati kupovati MM i NN jer toliko eksponencijalno zaostajanje za originalom covjeka isfrustrira, i i prodavat ce se sve slabije nanoseci gubitke Ludensu, pa ce ovi onda prestat izdavat i Zagora koji dobro ide, tj. koji zasad jedini dobro ide uz DD.
Razmislite malo o tome, ovo je Hrvatska, koja u 12 godina nije imala ozbiljniji ili dugotrajniji strip magazin, u kojoj SD nije uspjela sa Bonnelijem, u kojoj su mase prestale citati stripove iz prostog razloga jer ih nije bilo. Treba vratiti citalacku publiku, a sa 6 brojeva godisnje to ce biti jako tesko.....
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Karlo
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Croatia
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mike
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Slovenia
2864 Posts
Member since 04/11/2001 |
Posted - 24/01/2002 : 23:11:22
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A zasto je 6 brojeva godisnje katastrofa? I koga uopce briga ako smo 80 brojeva za talijanima? Zar jih trebamo uhvatiti?
Mogu jedino da kazem, da ste ovde jedina katastrofa svi, koji zbog toga prestanete kupovati stripove.
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stinky
stripovi.com suradnik
    
Croatia
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Colt
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Posted - 24/01/2002 : 23:29:41
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To za "zdrave temelje sa jednim junakom" je potpuno besmisleno jer ne kupuju svi Zagora,a oni koji skupljaju ostale junake ce dobro razmisliti ako se ponovo ukinu MM,NN,Tex ili LL,da li ce ih nanovo kupovati u slucaju njihovog vracanja u zivot ili ce se zasititi "kreni-stani" igre....
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Karlo
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Croatia
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Posted - 25/01/2002 : 06:00:51
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Da, "Suludi strelac" jeste, ali to je jedini za kojega i ja znam. Ali, pojavljivao se on i kasnije, u nekoj od epizoda nakon "Povratka u Darkvud"
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Posted - 25/01/2002 : 06:06:11
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A kako to mislis Mike "koga briga za italijane"? Mene briga. Tako mozes reci i "koga je briga za amerikance, nama su dobri i 386 racunari, sta ce nam njihovi i pentiumi, a kamoli neki pentium III ili cak pentium IV".
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Slovenac
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Slovenia
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Going-Going
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Serbia
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Darkwood Devil
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8299 Posts
Member since 20/10/2001 |
Posted - 25/01/2002 : 10:56:20
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Sjajno momci (Tonka & Purger) sjajno! Mislim da ste trebali prihvatiti vec odavno da mi nismo talijani i da nije nuzno imati identicna izdanja kao oni i isti tempo izlazenja jer je to nemoguce! Ljudi imaju 5 puta veci standard od naseg, strip kultura im je 10 svijetlosnih godina ispred nase i 150 puta vis e stripova prodaju nego mi. I sto bi Vas 2 pametnjakiovica htjeli, 4-5 Zagorovih stripova mjesecno. Sjajno, mislite da bi to bas tako dobro islo, ljudi bi pukli nakon 6 mjeseci jer jedino sto bi mogli vidjet na kiosku bio bi Zagor. Za Boga miloga, postoji jos stripova koje ljudi vole citati i njih treba zastupati podjednako. Naravno volio bih kada bi NATHAN NEVER, MARTIN MYSTERE, TEX... izlazili jednom mjesecno, ali i 6 brojeva godisnje je solidan izbor. Nikako se ne mogu sloziti sa Vama dvojicom da je bolje ukinuti te junake nego imati 6 brojeva. Opet ponavljam Zagor mi je broj 1, ali ne postoji samo on nego i ostali likovi kao i njihovi stovatelji. Prosla vremena su prosla kada su se stripovi na ovim prostorima prodavali na "lopate". Nova vremena donjela su jednu novu normu tj. manje naklade i pomirite se time. Zivite u velikoj zabludi kada mislite da Zagor bas tako dobro prolazi, uredu prodaje se zajedno sa DYLANOM DOGOM najbolje, ali daleko je to od velikih naklada. Zato ohladite glave & WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD!
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mike
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Slovenia
2864 Posts
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Posted - 25/01/2002 : 11:05:41
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dp: Tvoja usporedba sa pentiumom uopce nije na mestu. Po toj logici znacilo bi, da su novi brojevi uvijek bolji od starih. A to je (moje osobno misljenje) daleko od istine.
Tako da ljudi, zurite polako . 6 brojeva + 6 vec je 12 . Pa ako isprsite svoje novce mozda uskoro stignemo na 12 brojeva godisnje. A mozda i na 24 ili 48 pa za godinu i po uvatimo talijane .
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VJ
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Croatia
5957 Posts
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Posted - 25/01/2002 : 11:24:38
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Sto se talijana tice osim Bonellijevih stripova postoji i gomila drugih, a toga kod nas gotovo da i nema nista, dok na primjer u Italiji na svakom kiosku ima na desetke i desetke razlicitih stripova... pa tko sto voli nek izvoli.
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Denmark
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Posted - 25/01/2002 : 14:11:25
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jel shvatate sad zasto je dnevnik izdavao sve junake u ZS i LMS??? takvom politikom su izbjegli sve to o cemu vi pricate...
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Kruger
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Croatia
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Posted - 25/01/2002 : 18:08:24
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Dnevnik je izdavao stripove kad su isli Usopredba neam smisla jer se radi o drugom vremenu Bas me briga kako ce izdavati bitno je da izdaju i nista me drugo ne zanima Ja hocu stripove
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Dalma
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Croatia
212 Posts
Member since 01/12/2001 |
Posted - 26/01/2002 : 16:11:21
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Ne slažem se s Tonkom i misli da ne treba ukinuti nekog junaka kako bi drugi izlazio cešce jer ako i ukinu nekoga drugi vjerojatno nece izlaziti cešce vec ce izlaziti kao i dosada a možda još i rjede. Pa kada je SD prestala sa Nathanom i Martinom nije Zagor izlazio cešce. Ne branim ja Nathana ili nekog drugog, ja vec neko vrijeme i ne kupujem ni Nathana niti Dylana jer su mi oni najgori ali drugi ih kupuju i nekima su oni najbolji. A što se tice toga da su Talijani 80 brojeva ispred to nema nikakve veze, pa Magico Vento je došao do mislim 56 broja a puno nas bi volilo da on pocne izlaziti (a ako ikad i pocne izlaziti ko zna do kud ce vec doci Talijani).
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Tonka
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Croatia
865 Posts
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Posted - 26/01/2002 : 22:42:16
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Ddevile o kakvom ti prezasicenju tržišta govoriš? Zar je tebi 2 izdanja Zagora i Dylana previše ?! Uostalom pitaj Bernarda za tjedan ili dva kada dobije zaradu od prodaje Zagora extra i Dylan Doga i vidjeceš da ce covjek zaraditi više nego šta je zaradio sve skupa do sada(od 3 Texa i MM/NN-a) i da ce razmišljati samo o prodaji ova dva junaka jer su oni ti koji donose zaradu. Takoder pogledaj Vaninijevu izjavu da im MM i MN samo usporavaju posao. Do prezasicenja Zagora i Dylana nikada nece doci!! Uostalom u Italiji Zagor zajedno s reprintima ima 70 izdanja godišnje a Dylan Dog oko 80 ili 90.
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Tonka
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kasper
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Going-Going
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kasper
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Posted - 27/01/2002 : 19:21:53
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Recimo da ima normalnu prodaju od koje izdavac moze da placa lebac i silne globe. U komunistickom sistemu on je na svojoj grbaci nosio ostale likove, a prijatelju moj ta vremena su odavno prosla. To dokazuje i frekvencija Ludensovog Zagora.
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Posted - 27/01/2002 : 19:58:32
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za Mikea: u pravu si, treba da se vratimo za ZX81 (ja svoj jos uvek cuvam u nekoj kutiji u podrumu, a cuvam i spectruma i amstrada te dve 386-ice i jednu 486-icu, sve to za uspomenu i za slucaj da me ubedis da ne treba da se osvrcemo na to gde je sav ostali civilizovani svet a gde smo mi...
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