| Author |
 Topic  |
|
|
1Euro
Advanced Member
12596 Posts
Member since 17/07/2008 |
 Posted - 06/08/2012 : 11:51:54
|
Eto, do kraja aukcije ima još 10 sata, brzo neka se netko javi da mi odgovori na ovo pitanje:
-gdje se može prodati ova RIJEDKA medalja u Srbiji npr?
Ja sam kontaktirao nekoliko muzeja, Istorijski muzej Srbije mi je rekao da ova medalja (pošto nema onaj obrucic za traku) vrijedi u ovakvom stanju 500 eura. Ali mi nisu odgovorili da li bi je oni kupili za taj novac????
Kod nekog drugog muzeja sam saznao kako je bilo napravljeno oko 380 ovakvih medalja i to je prva medalja Srbije ikada. Na svijetu ima tek nekoliko primjeraka vjecinoma u Muzeju.
Znaci tko u Srbiji bi bio zainteresiran da kupi ovakvu medalju (jel postoje neka društva, muzeji, privatni kolekcionari....) koji bi platili toliko ili bar približno na koliko SU JE OCENILI KOD ISTORIJSKOG MUZEJA SRBIJE?
eto slike ove medalje:
Mint Place: Vienna
Engraver: Anton Scharff
Mint year: 1859 (dated 1858)
Condition: Removed suspension loop, few scratches in fields, otherwise XF!
Denomination: Award Medal for Loyalty - awarded to participants of the St. Andrew´s assembly of 1858.
Weight: 16.69gm
Diameter: 30mm
Material: Silver
Obverse: Bust of Prince Miloš Obrenovic 3/4 right, wearing "Atil" uniform within wreath. Shield with arms of the Principality below.
Translated legend: "Milos Obrenovic first Serbian prince"
Reverse: Legend in three lines above date (1858) and seperator.
Translated: "St. Andrew´s Assembly 1858, for loyalty"
For your consideration a very very rare silver award medal (for loyalty), granted to participants of the St. Andrew´s assembly of 1858, which restored Milos Obrenovic as ruler of the Principality of Serbia. ) A similar specimen is stored in the collection of Mr. Vaclav Mericka at the National Museum in Prague. Another specimen was placed in the collection of Dr. Mark Popovic and another specimen in a museum in Belgrade. A very rare and important addition!
The House of Obrenovic (Serbian: ??????????/Obrenovici, often spelled in English as Obrenovich or Obrenovitch) ruled Serbia from 1815 to 1842, and again from 1858 to 1903. They came to power through the leadership of their progenitor Miloš Obrenovic in the Second Serbian uprising against the Ottoman Empire, which led to the formation of the Principality of Serbia. The regents tended to rule autocratically, their popularity waxing and waning over their decades in power. The house of Obrenovic, except Miloš and Mihailo Obrenovic, descends from the Serbian medieval noble house of Orlovic, through the stepfather of Knjaz Miloš, and the grandfather of King Milan, as he was a member of the cadet branch of house Martinovic - Orlovic. The family's rule came to an end when an underground movement Black hand throughout the military, killed the last king Aleksandar Obrenovic, proximally because of his unpopular choice of a bride. After the end of their rule, a constitutional monarchy headed by the Karadordevic family took its place. Unlike other Balkan states such as Greece, Bulgaria or Romania, Serbia did not import a member of an existing European royal family to take its throne; the Obrenovic Dynasty, like its Karadordevic rival, was a "home-grown" Serbian family.
|
Edited by - 1Euro on 06/08/2012 16:31:39
|
|
|
1Euro
Advanced Member
12596 Posts
Member since 17/07/2008 |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 11:54:13
|
eto još nešto o tom Milošu Obrenovicu:
Miloš Obrenovic (pronounced [mîl?? ?br???n??it?]) (Serbian Cyrillic: ????? ?????????; Anglicised: Milosh Obrenovich; born Miloš Teodorovic) (18 March 1780 [7 March o.s.] – 26 September 1860) was Prince of Serbia from 1815 to 1839, and again from 1858 to 1860. He participated in the First Serbian Uprising, led Serbs in the Second Serbian Uprising, and founded the House of Obrenovic. Under his rule, Serbia became an autonomous duchy within the Ottoman Empire. He is credited with starting the process of reestablishing Serbian statehood, as well as shaping the domestic and foreign policies of the modern Serbian state. Prince Miloš ruled autocratically, permanently refusing to share power. During his rule, he was the richest man in Serbia and one of the richest in the Balkans.
Miloš Obrenovic was the son of Višnja Gojkovic (died 1817) and her second husband, Teodor Mihailovic (died 1802), a poor peasant from Montenegro. He was born in the village of Dobrinja, near Požega, in the Užice district. Miloš was the eldest of three boys born to the couple; Jovan (1787–1850) and Jevrem (1790–1881). His mother had been married previously, to Obren Martinovic (died 1777), and they had three children: Stana (born 1773), Jakov (1767–1817) and Milan (1770-16 December 1810).
Following the death of his half-brother Milan, Miloš took the surname Obrenovic, after the first name of Milan's father.
In his youth, Miloš was a servant in the family of Akso Jecmenica, an affluent cattle trader from Zlatibor.
Miloš fought in the First Serbian Uprising until its very end in 1813. His half-brother Milan also took part in the Uprising, rising to become the commander/voivode (duke) of the Rudnik district. After the rebellion collapsed, Miloš was among the few of its leaders that remained in Serbia to face the vengeful returning Ottoman Turks. After the killing of Karadorde Petrovic, in 1817, Obrenovic became the leader of the Serbs.
In April 1815, he organized and led the Second Serbian Uprising. By 1817 the Turks defeated Miloš's army, but not before he negotiated with Marasli Ali Pasa (English, Marashli Ali Pasha; Serbian, Marašli Ali Paša), the Ottoman governor. As a result of the agreement, Serbia gained some autonomy, but remained under Ottoman sovereignty. Miloš Obrenovic was left in power as its absolute ruler. Between the end of 1828 and the autumn of 1830 Prince Miloš created a so-called "legislative commission" to translate the Code Napoléon into Serbian and codify the laws and customs of the country. After discussing the commission, Miloš invited two distinguished legal specialists to come from Austrian-occupied Serbia to prepare a more suitable criminal and civil code of laws for Serbia. They were Vasilije Lazarevic, Bürgermeister, or mayor, of Zemun, and Jovan Hadžic, lawyer, poet, and member of the municipal senate of Novi Sad. In January he advised a great national assembly that he had obtained an imperial edict from the Sultan ending all direct obligations of Serbian peasants to their former Turkish lords, guaranteeing Ottoman recognition of Serbian autonomy in most matters of internal administration, and offering Serbia the prospect of territorial aggrandizement, as well as the express right to institute schools, courts, and a governmental administration of her own. Sultan's decrees of 1830 and 1833 expanded the same rights to a larger territory, and made Serbia a sovereign principality with Miloš Obrenovic as hereditary prince. A Metropolitanate of Serbia was established in Belgrade, and made independent from the Patriarchate of Constantinople. Russia's status as the guarantor of Serbia's autonomy was also recognized.
The people of Serbia often rebelled against Miloš's autocratic and often brutal rule. Following one such rebellion, he agreed to adopt a constitution in 1835. The move was opposed by neighboring Austria, the ruling Ottoman Empire and Russia. It is believed that the three great empires saw the constitution as a danger to their own autocratic systems of government. Metternich's Austria particularly ridiculed the fact that Serbia had its own flag and ministry of foreign affairs. Miloš abolished the constitution at the demand of Russia and Turkey.
Miloš abdicated in 1839 in favor of his sons – Milan, who died a few weeks later, and Mihailo, who then became prince. Mihailo was deposed in 1842, and the family was out of power until 1858, when it returned with Miloš restored as prince for the last two years of his life. |
 |
|
|
1Euro
Advanced Member
12596 Posts
Member since 17/07/2008 |
|
|
1Euro
Advanced Member
12596 Posts
Member since 17/07/2008 |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 12:14:22
|
eto dokaz o visini cijene:
From: Aleš Fidler [mailto: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 8:28 AM
To: istorijskimuzej@imus.org.rs
Subject: Miloš Obrenovic, medalja za hrabrost
Pozdrav!
Da li mi možete reci, koliko ovakvih medalja je bilo napravljeno?
I kakva je vrijednost?
lp
Aleš
Pozdrav g. Aleš.
"Medalja za privrženost" je izradeno oko 380 kom. S obzirom da primeraku sa fotografije nedostaje ušica za traku, odnosno da je nekompletna, cena se krece oko 500 E.
AV
|
|
|
|
1Euro
Advanced Member
12596 Posts
Member since 17/07/2008 |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 12:19:54
|
Hm, baš me zanima za koliko ce biti prodata na kraju. Trenutacna cijena je 130 usd....Ja bi ostavio ponudu i pokušao je usvojiti u primjeru da znam da ce jo netko u Srbiji kupiti, da zaradim na toj medalji inace mi medalja ne treba, jer ih ne sakupljam....
Eto lijepe prilike, da Srbija vrati neki svoj predmet, dosta znacajan (prva medalja ikada u Srbiji), ili ce se za tom medaljom izgubiti trag i završit ce kod nekog kolekcionara u inozemstvu....Ja mislim da bi to trebao kupiti neki muzej, p ada Srbi mogu to doci da pogledaju za sva vremena, da se to tamo cuva, ali sada su odmori pa ljudi ne rade, poslao sam nekoliko mailova u Srbske muzeje i napisali su mi da neka se javim kasnije da ovaj ili onaj kustos ne radi itd,... ali nema vremena za bacanje..... |
|
|
|
King Warrior
stripovi.com suradnik
.jpg)
22368 Posts
Member since 10/11/2007 |
|
|
1Euro
Advanced Member
12596 Posts
Member since 17/07/2008 |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 12:26:00
|
Inace pronašao sam i jednu drugu zanimljivu medalju iz bronce, dosta težku u vezi Austrijskih vlasti u Sarajevu oko 1900 godine. Možda ovu kupim, jer je jeftinija (bar za sada), aukcija još traje. Možda bi u Sarajevu bili zainteresirani ili u Becu.....ova medalja ima cak originalnu kutiju a težka je skoro 100g bronce....
 |
|
|
|
1Euro
Advanced Member
12596 Posts
Member since 17/07/2008 |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 12:27:40
|
quote:
Originally posted by King Warrior
Ja mislio neki tamo Milos Obrenovic osvojio srebro na OI, pa mi bi cudno sto je tema u svastari.
 pa eto da i u svaštari zaživi "duh olimpiade" |
|
|
|
kosmajac
Average Member
Serbia
751 Posts
Member since 07/09/2010 |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 13:12:08
|
Nije to NEKI Milos Obrenovic,vec Srpski knjaz..oslobodilac
Inace da imam 2 000 eura dao bih ti odma samo da medalja bude vracena u Srbiju kako je neki nemusti skupljaci svega i svacega ne bi nivelisali na tako posprdan nacin
Eto o tebi i medalji toliko
Srecno |
|
|
|
kosmajac
Average Member
Serbia
751 Posts
Member since 07/09/2010 |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 13:21:43
|
| I kakva prva medalja ikada u Srbiji...nemoj da si neozbiljan..videli su Srbi svoje medalje i plakete od srednjeg veka pa do danas...nista se ti ne brini sta Srbi gledaju i znaju o medaljama...eto uzmi tog pacenika austrijskog u bronzi pa ga prodaj Becu za 10 eura..a mozes i prevariti nekog crnca sa Sejsela..mozda ti i da neki dinar..i njemu treba da bi zamenio istu za kilo dobrog govedjeg mesa..znas tamo ga nemaju |
|
|
|
1Euro
Advanced Member
12596 Posts
Member since 17/07/2008 |
|
|
1Euro
Advanced Member
12596 Posts
Member since 17/07/2008 |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 15:45:48
|
quote:
Originally posted by kosmajac
I kakva prva medalja ikada u Srbiji...nemoj da si neozbiljan..videli su Srbi svoje medalje i plakete od srednjeg veka pa do danas...nista se ti ne brini sta Srbi gledaju i znaju o medaljama...eto uzmi tog pacenika austrijskog u bronzi pa ga prodaj Becu za 10 eura..a mozes i prevariti nekog crnca sa Sejsela..mozda ti i da neki dinar..i njemu treba da bi zamenio istu za kilo dobrog govedjeg mesa..znas tamo ga nemaju
pa eto ovdje piše:
http://kultura.gov.rs/lat/otvorena-izlozba-odlikovanja-knezevine-i-kraljevine-srbije
samo što sam ja to vjerovatno krivo procitao (ili razumio), piše
"od prvoustanovljene Medalje za privrženost kojom je knez Miloš Obrenovic, nakon povratka na srpski presto, odlikovao svoje pristalice"
pa sam mislio da je to prva ili sam to negdje drugdje procitao, na nekom drugom linku....no kako izgleda ovo je najrijetkija medalja Srbije (tako kaže aukcijska kuca Pervan, satvio sam link, gdje su je prodali za 1600 eura...).
ja imam sad problem:
-ocito medalja vrijedi barem 500 eura, ali recimo da je ja kupim za 300 eura, pitanje je da li bi je ja mogao prodati nekom muzeju u Srbiji za 500 npr? Ja sam kontaktirao nekoliko muzeja ali previše se odugovlaci. Svi mi nešto kažu:
"obratite se na onoga, trebamo vidjeti medalju,..."
Ništa konkretno.....a aukcija polako istice a ja necu da kupim nešto na cemu ne mogu zaraditi i šta mi ne treba.... |
|
|
|
1Euro
Advanced Member
12596 Posts
Member since 17/07/2008 |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 15:48:35
|
quote:
Originally posted by kosmajac
I kakva prva medalja ikada u Srbiji...nemoj da si neozbiljan..videli su Srbi svoje medalje i plakete od srednjeg veka pa do danas...nista se ti ne brini sta Srbi gledaju i znaju o medaljama...eto uzmi tog pacenika austrijskog u bronzi pa ga prodaj Becu za 10 eura..a mozes i prevariti nekog crnca sa Sejsela..mozda ti i da neki dinar..i njemu treba da bi zamenio istu za kilo dobrog govedjeg mesa..znas tamo ga nemaju
o cemu ti to pricaš?
Kakva prevara nekih crnaca sa Sejšela? Jel ti vrucina udarila u glavu?
I cijena ove medalje se polako diže.....ali aukcija završava kasnije od ove sa Obrenovicem, možda na kraju postigne cak vecu cijenu od Obrenovica. Zašto pišeš tako posprdne postove? |
|
|
|
1Euro
Advanced Member
12596 Posts
Member since 17/07/2008 |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 15:54:31
|
quote:
Originally posted by kosmajac
Nije to NEKI Milos Obrenovic,vec Srpski knjaz..oslobodilac
Inace da imam 2 000 eura dao bih ti odma samo da medalja bude vracena u Srbiju kako je neki nemusti skupljaci svega i svacega ne bi nivelisali na tako posprdan nacin
Eto o tebi i medalji toliko
Srecno
cemu takav ton?
Šta imam ja sa Srbijom? Nisam ja srbin. Ja sam trgovac i ja kupujem ono na cemu mogu zaraditi. Briga mene za povjest neke zemlje itd,...ali mislim da sam se poneo STVARNO KOREKTNO jer sam kontaktirao SRPSKE MUZEJE umjesto aukcijskih kuca tipa Pervan i slicno. Znaci ako bi postojao interes Srpskih muzeja i da se ova medalja vrati u Srbiju oni bi trebali da me zamole da ja to kupim i prodam njima. A tako boli njih....a nakon aukcije koju naravno necu ja osvojiti, jel šta ce mi ova medalja, ne treba mi za sebe, ce se netko javiti da bi možda oni ipak uzeli, ali ce biti PREKASNO. Ova ce medalja biti prodata pitaj boga gdje i nikada više se nece pojaviti na aukciji osim kod kakve aukcionerske kuce za 1600+ eura....
Meni je svejedno, ja sam samo dobro htio Srbiji da kupi medalju za 500 eura, ako bi ju ja osvojio za manje. Vidjet cemo za koju cjenu ce to biti prodato. |
|
|
|
kosmajac
Average Member
Serbia
751 Posts
Member since 07/09/2010 |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 16:16:22
|
Momak,nemam nista protiv tebe i nema potrebe da se iscudjavas...zelim ti da kupis obe,al sam ti samo rekao da imam novac,kupio bih ja....eto
A ako je i vrucina,a ti budi drug |
|
|
|
brni
Advanced Member
.jpg)
Croatia
10434 Posts
Member since 18/06/2009 |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 16:51:42
|
quote:
Originally posted by kosmajac
Momak,nemam nista protiv tebe i nema potrebe da se iscudjavas...zelim ti da kupis obe,al sam ti samo rekao da imam novac,kupio bih ja....eto
A ako je i vrucina,a ti budi drug
i kad je u pitanju numizmatika ti moras poceti sa svojim nacionalistickim spikama.. |
"Clark Kent je Supermanova kritika covjecanstva" |
|
|
|
kosmajac
Average Member
Serbia
751 Posts
Member since 07/09/2010 |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 17:10:10
|
quote:
Originally posted by brni
quote:
Originally posted by kosmajac
Momak,nemam nista protiv tebe i nema potrebe da se iscudjavas...zelim ti da kupis obe,al sam ti samo rekao da imam novac,kupio bih ja....eto
A ako je i vrucina,a ti budi drug
i kad je u pitanju numizmatika ti moras poceti sa svojim nacionalistickim spikama..
Ne znam gde vidis nacionalizam u mom postu ali nemoj siriti vatru tamo gde je nema....ti nacionalisticki numizmaticaru |
|
|
|
brni
Advanced Member
Croatia
10434 Posts
Member since 18/06/2009 |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 18:17:35
|
quote:
Originally posted by kosmajac
quote:
Originally posted by brni
quote:
Originally posted by kosmajac
Momak,nemam nista protiv tebe i nema potrebe da se iscudjavas...zelim ti da kupis obe,al sam ti samo rekao da imam novac,kupio bih ja....eto
A ako je i vrucina,a ti budi drug
i kad je u pitanju numizmatika ti moras poceti sa svojim nacionalistickim spikama..
Ne znam gde vidis nacionalizam u mom postu ali nemoj siriti vatru tamo gde je nema....ti nacionalisticki numizmaticaru
|
"Clark Kent je Supermanova kritika covjecanstva" |
|
|
|
selanne
stripovi.com suradnik
.jpg)
Bosnia and Herzegovina
7670 Posts
Member since 11/09/2009 |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 20:16:22
|
quote:
Originally posted by King Warrior
Ja mislio neki tamo Milos Obrenovic osvojio srebro na OI, pa mi bi cudno sto je tema u svastari.
Ja sam odmah znao tko je otvorio topic.  |
Where other men blindly follow the truth, remember - nothing is true. Where other men are limited by morality or law, remember - everything is permitted. We work in the dark to serve the light. We are assassins! Nothing is true, everything is permitted. |
|
|
|
1Euro
Advanced Member
12596 Posts
Member since 17/07/2008 |
|
|
Imrahil
Advanced Member
Serbia
13527 Posts
Member since 21/08/2005 |
Posted - 06/08/2012 : 23:11:44
|
quote:
Originally posted by King Warrior
Ja mislio neki tamo Milos Obrenovic osvojio srebro na OI, pa mi bi cudno sto je tema u svastari.
To i meni palo na pamet |
|
|
|
bjelolasica
stripovi.com suradnik
Croatia
5106 Posts
Member since 30/08/2009 |
Posted - 02/07/2013 : 11:02:38
|
quote:
Originally posted by Imrahil
quote:
Originally posted by King Warrior
Ja mislio neki tamo Milos Obrenovic osvojio srebro na OI, pa mi bi cudno sto je tema u svastari.
To i meni palo na pamet
+1
Kako je sve završilo? |
Don’t beat me massa!Please don’t beat me massa!Don’t beat this tired old body! No, no!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8D93Awa434 |
|
|
|
tinton
stripovi.com suradnik
United Kingdom
19907 Posts
Member since 23/10/2011 |
Posted - 02/07/2013 : 11:09:57
|
quote:
Originally posted by bjelolasica
quote:
Originally posted by Imrahil
quote:
Originally posted by King Warrior
Ja mislio neki tamo Milos Obrenovic osvojio srebro na OI, pa mi bi cudno sto je tema u svastari.
To i meni palo na pamet
+1
Kako je sve završilo?
joj bjelki, nije li to tvoje podrucje? Cak sam ja znao o kojem se Milošu radi |
Dajte nam Banija Libre;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)!
|
|
|
| |
Topic |
|
Topic Locked