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Tonka
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Posted - 10/02/2002 : 04:06:10
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Pa cak i ako se ukinu, imacemo sta skupljati (osim onih koji su vec skupili sve). Ja na primer imam sad nameru skuopljati prvih 73 epizode Alana Forda (dakle, Magnusove) i ne smeta mi sto ih nema vise... Makar na taj nacin sam suguran da me ne mogu razocarati.
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Dzimi Gitara
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Posted - 10/02/2002 : 04:21:05
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mislim da je bolje, da neki junaci prestanu sa izlazenjem, i da ostanu klasici, nego da sada na primer ove bedne epizode MM ili MN pokvare utisak predjasnjih. Ovo se pretvara u mucenje. Jedno pitanje za sve vas koji se necete sloziti: Da li bi vise voleli da ne izadje ni jedan broj Kena, ili da sad autori zbog novca nastave u oskudici ideja, i da upropaste celu zaokruzenu pricu, zbog jedne dobre epizode, na deset bednih? Mislim da su se svi Bonelijevi likovi istrosili, pa i Zagor i DD,i mozda je Zagor trebao da izlazi samo sa ferrijem, nolitom i mozda jos ponekim na kormilu, a Sclavi ako vec pada u formi zbog drugih poslova trebao je da smanij rad na dd i zadrzi kvalitet. U ovih dosadasnjih sest vanini brojeva po meni je samo ova sesta epizoda dostojna da je Sclavi potpise.
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stinky
stripovi.com suradnik
    
Croatia
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Posted - 10/02/2002 : 14:50:02
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Ne slažem se s tobom Džimi, uopce se nisu likovi istrošili, sve to zavisi od epizode do epizode. Meni su npr. neke nove epizode puno bolje od onih starijih, a i sve su mi toliko zanimljive, da mi uopce ne mogu biti loše. Hocu reci, od ovih junaka koje citam, teško mi se može naci epizoda koja mi je totalno bezveze.
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KOLEKCIONAR
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USA
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Posted - 10/02/2002 : 15:19:39
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Stose mene tice mogu ZAGORA i ukinuti sutra ako hoce. Regularna izdanja zagora uopce i necitam,jedino EXTRA skupljam zbog DNEVNIKOVIH rezanja epizoda, jer samo je to bio ZAGOR za mene od FERIJA i DONATELIJA donekle i BIGNOTIJA, ali ovo sada sto drugi neki crtaju ZAGORA toje PRESEDAN za STRIP kada je bar ZAGOR u pitanju. Dali mozete zamisliti MARCELOVOG ZAGORA u borbi sa PREDVODNIKOM MAJMUNA u epizodi OPASNE VODE.Ili u epizodi SLOBODA ili SMRT. Ne ljudi stoje valjalo toje i OBJAVLJENO sve ima svoj kraj pa i ZAGOR. Znam dasam mozda sa ovim UVRIJEDIO sve ljubitelje ZAGORA ali toje ipak samo moje misljenje i nemojte ga uzimati kao zdravo za gotovo.
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Posted - 10/02/2002 : 16:40:11
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Pre svega, welcome back Kolekcionar. Kako je prosao tvoj strip? Jesi li ga zavrsio? Nestrpljivi smo da cujemo... Sto se tice ovoga sa Zagorom, bar mene nisi uvredio. Slazem se s tobom, ne bas u potpunosti, ali u dosta toga.
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Tonka
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seinfeld
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Posted - 10/02/2002 : 17:20:39
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To isto mozes reci za Texa , Mr. noa , MM i ostale ako ga ne crta tvoritelj. Meni je "novi" Zagor dobar i mozda aktuelniji od staroga (to vazi za sve junake).Bolje da izdaju vise obicnog zagora nego extra i da njega zamjene sa specijalcima(Zagor i Ciko) i neobjavljenim epizodama. Ovaj novi Zagor je Zagor a stari je historija.Mozda ne za nas ali jebiga... Ako hocemo da decki zavole Bonellijeve stripove i strip uopce onda treba da pratimo italijane (sa nekoliko godina zakasnjenja ;-)))) a ne da izdajemo reprinte iz 70tih. Ferrijev Zagor je onaj s kojim smo MI odrasli a ova generacija ne raste vise s njim. Facts are facts...
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dd fan
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KOLEKCIONAR
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1976 Posts
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Posted - 10/02/2002 : 18:12:18
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DP dogurao sam do 34 strane, nije lako ljudi vjerujte, sve moram sam, a imam i toliko drugi obaveza, plus stegla me neka gripa a iovo vrijeme pase sve sastavilo.Slazem se daje FERIJEV zagor proslost, ali ipak ta proslost je IZREZIVANA od strane dnevnika, da koim slucajem nije ZAGOR reprintovan nebismo nikada saznali staje bilo sa CRNIM VUKOVIMA u epizodi RAT, zar ne.
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seinfeld
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Posted - 10/02/2002 : 18:31:28
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Kolekcionar koliko ce tvoj strip imati stranica? U koliko dijelova ce izlaziti ?? U svakom slucaju ostavi nam jedan primjerak za stranu kad ti izade! I hajde sad crtaj covjece, jer jos nisi krenuo sta visis ovdje ;-)))). Gripa nije nikakav razlog da se ne crta naprotiv ;-)))). Salim se ozdravi sto prije...
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KOLEKCIONAR
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Posted - 10/02/2002 : 20:27:35
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SEINFELD mislim dacuga zavrsiti nesto oko 50 do 60 stranica. Odprilike bi toliko trebalo da bude. Sada drugoje pitanje kako cega objaviti novinska agencija u mome mjastu, dalice izlaziti kao stoje SD izdavala ZAGORA na poslednjoj stranici dnevnih novina neznam, toje ustvari bitce njihova stvar, ja sa time nemam vise nista. Naravno dacu MARKOSU poslati nekoliko kopija pa neka to on stavi da svi vidite, naravno ako covjek bude voljan, ali uvjeravam vas daceto biti zaista MALO REMEK DJELO, a vec imam u planu odma nastaviti drugu pricu, JEDINA SESTRA tako cese zvati.Zasada cu vam samo reci dase radi o covjeku koi je imao 8 sinova i daje zarko zelio da ima i jedno ZENSKO DIJETE. Naravno daje i dobio veoma lijepu CURICU, ali staseje dalje odigravalo mislim dabimi na ovoj prici i sami MONTANARI&GRASANI pozavidjeli. Samo strpljenja i svecete vidjeti.
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VJ
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Posted - 10/02/2002 : 20:44:40
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Ja na primer imam sad nameru skupljati prvih 73 epizode Alana Forda (dakle, Magnusove) i ne smeta mi sto ih nema vise...
Magnusove su prvih 75 i 200-ta (dakle ipak ih ima vise ;)).
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Doc
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Croatia
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Posted - 10/02/2002 : 20:58:14
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Ne bih rekao da današnje epizode Mister Noa sramote stare. Istina je da nitko ne može zamijeniti Nolittine genijalne scenarije, pa ni Mignacco koji je jako dobar scenarist, ali sve je to relativno. I medu starim brjevima ima trulih, a medu novim super epizoda. Po meni je zlatno doba za taj strip prošlo (LMS 800-950), ali to ne znaci da ga je sad trebalo šutnuti.
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Posted - 11/02/2002 : 03:04:54
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Ja sam mislio da ih je 73 Magnusovih Alan Fordova, ali zato nas je ovde vise da naucimo jedni od drugih ponesto... za ddfana: ... i ja bih da Dylan Dog izlazi onoliko koliko Roi stigne da nacrta za Kolekcionara: samo napred prijatelju...
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Kruger
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Croatia
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Posted - 11/02/2002 : 08:27:47
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Opet stara prica Koje su bolje nove ili stare epizode Sto se mene tice Mister noa mi uopce nije zao sto ce ga ukinuti jos bi zelio da se Zagor ukine a ne da me strefi slag kad otvorim novog Zagora pomislim da citam Price s Divljeg Zapada Zato sto nove epizode sramote one stare i unistavaju im mit Osim kod Teksa i novijih junaka pout DD i MM
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Darkwood Devil
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Posted - 11/02/2002 : 09:42:36
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Stripovi su zakon, bili oni stariji ili ovi novi. Glupo je generalizirati jedan period i dizati ga u nebo. Danasnji stripovi su prilagodeni i odlikuju se cesto velikom zreloscu. Svaki Bonellijev junak ima amplitude tj. uspone i padove i vrlo tesko je bilo kojeg od njih istaknuti da je uvijek imao bas sve izvrsne epizode ili bas sve lose epizode. Uostalom draz je u tome da ne znamo kakvu epizodu imamo u rukama sve dok ju ne procitamo! Sta znaci izvrsna epizoda? Kada bi sve bile takve kakav bi nam bio kriterij? Od kuda bi znali da su neke puno bolje od drugih. Vec sam ranije govorio da se strip sastoji od nekoliko vrlo bitnih elemenata. Nekada nam je pojedini strip kvalitetan zbog odlicne price sto je slozit cemo se najcesci slucaj, no nekada neki strip volimo zbog odlicnog crteza ili zakon naslovnice. Serijali su zamisljeni kao mnogobrojne epizode koje se odlikuju svojom raznolikoscu. U toj raznolikosti ima razlicitih tema koje se svakome ne mogu jednako svidati. Nekome jedna epizoda moze biti remek-dijelo dok drugome ta ista ne znaci nista. Naravno prave epizode su one koje pogode vecinu jednako! Moje misljenje je da svaki strip cijenim bez obziro koliko mi se on svidio ili ne, jer ne treba nikako zaboraviti koliko je potrebno truda i vremena da nastane jedan broj.
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KOLEKCIONAR
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Posted - 11/02/2002 : 15:31:23
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Takoje DD tacnoje da treba truda dabise strip dobro uradio(nacrtao)ali IZDAVACI zele da sto prije izbace pricu na trziste, i umjesto da SKUPLJE plate provjerenog crtaca recimo napisu mu cek na $20.000 oni to urade sa nekim drugim koi ceto samo malo slabije nacrtati za $12ooo i naravno da mora nastati KRIZNI PERIOD ZA STRIP.Pogledajte samo situaciju kod TEXA vjerujem dasu VILLI odbroili dobru lovu da crta NASLOVNICE, jer moglobise desiti da i VILA ode u AMERIKU kao stosu mnogi to i napravili.Dakle IZDAVACKA KUCA koja pravi UGOVORE sa CRTACIMA ili SCENARISTIMA snosi NAJVECE posljedice oko TIRAZA JUNAKA.Naravno oni se odma bace na SAVREMENO DOBA, kompjuteri, igrice, i sta sve jos ne izmisljaju, ali kada imate ODLICAN CRTEZ i odlicnu pricu sveje jednostavno. Sobzirom dasu TALIJANI KRALJEVI ZA STRIP nevjerujem dabi im bio problem pronaci crtaca koi bi podigao rejting nekom posrnulom junaku, ali OCITO DA JE I NJIMA VISE LOVA udarila u glavu pa kao sto rece KRUGER samo prave nakaradu od junaka. Obratite pozornost na EXTRA ZAGOR 53 i svece vam biti jasno. Jabi ZAGORA deset puta bolje nacrtao od onoga u tome stripu. Pa onoje SRAMOTA.
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Doc
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Posted - 11/02/2002 : 21:10:20
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Ne dižem ja MN-ov period 800-950 LMS u nebo, ali cinjenice su cinjenice. Scenarije je pisao Dream Team talijanskog stripa - Nolitta, Sclavi, Castelli, Mignacco, mislim da je cak Nizzi imao jednu epizodu i taj period je nedostižan.
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Kruger
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Posted - 12/02/2002 : 09:33:17
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Nije sala - dp - budes vidio ovaj najnoviji Ludensov Zagor Ugodjaj je isti kao i u Pricama iz DZ samo je radnja mnogo gluplja
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Posted - 12/02/2002 : 20:00:38
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jaoj, totalno si "otkacen" Krugeru... hahahahaha... taman sam hteo da kazem kako su meni "price sa divljeg zapada" OK, ali ti si me sad skroz "poklopio"
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