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acestroke
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 Posted - 19/10/2011 : 16:16:58
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napokon sam dobio odgovor od Sergio Bonelli editore u vezi prava da stampam neka njihova izdanja na Engleskom ovdje u USA. ovo je e-mail koju mi je njihov advokat napisao:
Dear Armand,
I’m writing this on behalf of Sergio Bonelli Editore, as my Company is Worldwide agent for Bonelli. Your passion for their comics is really wonderful and we hope to help you channeling your attitude in a more constructive way.
As you know, Bonelli Comics aren’t published in the States, after Dark Horse experiment, so these rights are now available. If you want, you may publish even just a series as an experiment to understand chances to build a new Market around Tex & Co.
To give you more infos about our request, it’s only 10% royalties on cover-prine of your print-run. More than this, you wouldn’t owe us anything, so it’s a pretty interesting deal (no costs for materials, shipments or else). We just ask for a faithful acceptation of our agreement, which you’d have all the time it takes to read… if you want to go on with it. Mostly, we ask to be faithful to Bonelli graphic-design and characters, to pay minimum guarantee and send us 4 copies (+ 1 digital of your edition on cd/dvd) of everything you print.
More, here’s an example of your possible costs (in euro, then you can do your math):
Example 1
12 issues contract
5€ cover price
500 copies print-run
Royalties = 3000€
Example 2
6 issues contract
3€ cover price
1000 copies print-run
Royalties = 1800€
Trenutno nisam u mogucnosti da sve ovo uradim, zato sto stampanje svih ovih izdanja ce kostati hiljade i hiljade dolara, plus cijena za njihova prava. Ali makar sad znam koliko bi kostalo da se sve ovo ostvari, pa mozda jednog dana, kad budem u boljoj financijskoj situaciji.
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DeeCay
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Posted - 19/10/2011 : 16:21:36
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Ništa Armande, morat ćeš krenuti u izdavačke vode... Uzmi neki loan pa startaj privatni biznis, ako je mogao dark Horse, možeš i ti! |
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acestroke
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USA
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Posted - 19/10/2011 : 16:47:03
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Razgovarao sam jutros s jednim izdavacem iz New Yorka, rekao mi je da Dylan ima najbolju sansu za uspjeh. Ako se stampa izmedju 500 i 1000 primjeraka jedne epizode, moze se to prodat. Nathan ima fifty-fifty sansu za uspjeh, dok Martin Mystere uopste nema sanse (spominjem ova tri junaka, jer njih je ionako Dark Horse vec objavio u malim kolicinama).
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Poli
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Posted - 20/10/2011 : 14:02:57
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Hm, recimo da imas sada te pare za ostvarenje tog projekta. I recimo da ces da stampas u 1000 primjeraka. Kako bi onda isla prodaja? Samo on-line narudzbe? Pitao bi neke striparnice u IL, NY, CA, FL,... ako bi bile zainteresirane? Cisto pitam u kojem pravcu si razmisljao jer mislim da bi bilo super da se to dogodi ali kakve su sanse za dobru prodaju... to samo Bog zna.
Kiosk prodaja sigurno otpada, zato taj rang 500-1000 mislim da je pravi. Dobro bi bilo i da se to odlicno i profi odradi (znaci, uzmes si dovoljno vremena za sve skupa, prijevod, lektura, dizajn, prelom, tisak...) pa da se ljudi koji bi to kupili nekako zadrzi. Mozda bi pomoglo i malo "okusati" forume u SAD.
Ne znam, samo pomalo naivno razmisljam o svemu pa...
A da se nekako "povezes" sa Attilom ili jos nekim ako bi bio za suradnju, mozda i samo za finansijski ulog (ovo bi bilo 2 good 2 B true).
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acestroke
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Posted - 20/10/2011 : 15:17:50
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@poli:
druga osoba (on je 'distributor' comic book-ova) sa kojom sam razgovarao (isto je iz New Yorka) mi je rekao da ce 500 primjeraka sigurno da se proda, a bogami mozda i 1000, i ako bi u ovom drugom slucaju duze vremena trebalo. Rekao mi je da ga ljudi cesto pitaju u vezi Dylan Doga, i da ih je puno razocarano da je prestao da izlazi. Predlozio mi je da ja najbolji nacin za ovo da nadjem oko 50 striparnica sirom Amerike, i da posaljem oko 10 ili 20 komada svakog broja tamo. On smatra da je Dark Horse pogresio u tome sto je stavio one svoje Dylane, Nathane i Martine u razne knjizare koje nemaju veze sa stripovima, i to je bio jedan od razloga sto nisu uspjeli. U Chicagu ovdje ima barem 30 striparnica, a sirom Amerike ih sigurno ima nekoliko stotina. Treba sve stavit u one velike 'market cities', kao New York, Los Angeles, San Fransisco, Houston, Miami, Seattle, itd. Naravno, ovo bi sve bilo idealno kad bi ja imo pare da trenutno ovo sve radim, ali ne znam. Puno bi me kostalo, a da vadim kredit na $10 ili $20 hiljada dolara za sve ovo trenutno samom meni je veliki rizik. Izracunao sam sve ovo: kad se sve plati, a i onda kad se sve proda (ako se sve proda), i kad se plate prava, kad se distributori plate, itd, zarada uopste nije velika, mozda par hiljada dolara. Znaci ovo bi bio u vecini passion project, za ljubitelje stripova i Bonellija ovdje u USA. O zaradi se ovdje ne smije ni mislit, jer za ovaj prvi pokusaj tu nema ni poente. U teoriji zvuci dobro, ali nije jeftino, bogami. |
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supermark
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Posted - 20/10/2011 : 15:43:40
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Originally posted by acestroke
Izracunao sam sve ovo: kad se sve plati, a i onda kad se sve proda (ako se sve proda), i kad se plate prava, kad se distributori plate, itd, zarada uopste nije velika, mozda par hiljada dolara.
kolika cifra je u pitanju, sto se tice ukupnih troskova?
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acestroke
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Posted - 20/10/2011 : 15:59:55
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@supermark:
recimo da uzmemo prvu opciju, gdje stampam 12 razlicitih brojeva po 500 primjeraka, a ne onu drugu sa 6 razlicith po 1000 primjeraka.
prava za tu opciju kostaju 3000 Eura, ili $4200 (odprilike)
Stampa za 500 primjeraka kosta oko $1100 (bez postarine)
$1100 puta 12 = $13200
Zajedno sa cijenom da se kupe prava, to ispadne $17400 (za stampu 12 razlicitih brojeva, po 500 komada, sve ukupno 6000)
Ovo je cifra bez postarine, bez placanja distributora da sve ovo podijeli na razne striparnice, itd.
Cijena po svesci bi ispala oko 5 Euro, ili odprilike $7. Naravno, ako se svaki broj proda, to bi bilo super; onaj covjek s kojim sam razgovarao je siguran da ce se sve eventualno prodat, jer 500 komada i nije tako puno, pogotovo u zemlji koja ima vise od 300 miliona stanovnika (broj stripofila je puno manji, naravno ).
naravno, ovo odozgo je cijena jedne stampanske kuce, moguce je da ih ima jeftinijih (ali vidio sam da ih ima i mnogo skupljih), tako da je ovo prosjecna cijena stampe.
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D.J.
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acestroke
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Mr. Bushido
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Posted - 21/10/2011 : 04:40:59
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Originally posted by acestroke
@DJ:
Na zalost, sumnjam da bilo sta sa Western temom ima ikakve sanse za uspjeh na Americkom trzistu.
Jesi siguran? Trenutno u SAD-u izlazi nekoliko western stripova koji se sasvim solidno prodaju, kao što su All-Star Western i The Sixth Gun.
Uostalom, Magični Vjetar ima dodatni potencijal jer nije čistokrvni western. |
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mcn
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Posted - 21/10/2011 : 09:20:22
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>Zajedno sa cijenom da se kupe prava, to ispadne $17400 (za stampu 12 razlicitih brojeva, po 500 komada, sve ukupno 6000)
To je, mogu li zaokruzziti, 3$ po komadu?
Americcki duchani, bar kad ide peko Diamonda, i zato ssto placahju unaprijed imaju rabat od 65%. SSto znacci da bi ti se od prodanog primjerka po cijeni od 7$ vratilo 2,25$ te da ti je najmanja isplativa cijena 9,5$. A nisi uraccunao svoj rad, poreze, trosskove slanja itd.
Ne zzelim obeshrabrivati, ozbiljno, ali i ako ciljass samo nulu, ciljaj preciznije. :)
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acestroke
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USA
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Posted - 21/10/2011 : 14:52:21
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@Bushido:
Hmm, mozda, ali ja sigurno ne bi riskirao sa tim zanrom u zemlji gdje pogotovo sci-fi i horror dobro idu. Stavise, ja bi bio spreman da riskiram samo toliko, mozda Dylana i Nathana. Ako neko drugi hoce da proba Magicnog va Americkom trzistu, nek im je bujrum.
@mcn:
bogami obeshrabrujes, iako ti to nije cilj.
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D.J.
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mcn
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acestroke
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 22/10/2011 : 19:15:46
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Originally posted by mcn
>Zajedno sa cijenom da se kupe prava, to ispadne $17400 (za stampu 12 razlicitih brojeva, po 500 komada, sve ukupno 6000)
To je, mogu li zaokruzziti, 3$ po komadu?
Americcki duchani, bar kad ide peko Diamonda, i zato ssto placahju unaprijed imaju rabat od 65%. SSto znacci da bi ti se od prodanog primjerka po cijeni od 7$ vratilo 2,25$ te da ti je najmanja isplativa cijena 9,5$. A nisi uraccunao svoj rad, poreze, trosskove slanja itd.
Ne zzelim obeshrabrivati, ozbiljno, ali i ako ciljass samo nulu, ciljaj preciznije. :)
mcn
Ako se nesto nije promenilo u poslednjih godinu i po dana, minimum purchase order je 2500 dolara tj oko 6250 cover price. U tom slucaju, po ceni od 9.5 treba da proda 650+ primeraka - vise nego sto bi da stampa...
A digital? Je l' ima Bonelli tu varijantu? (Da, bas.  ) |
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Mairosu
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Posted - 22/10/2011 : 19:19:50
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acestroke
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acestroke
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Posted - 23/10/2011 : 00:45:17
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Novi plan za Bonelli in English, za godinu 2012:
January/February 2012:
Mister No, Book 1 (HC, 500 pages) - Mr. No/The Amazon/The Last Cangaceiro
March 2012:
Ken Parker, Book 3 (HC, 500 pages) - People of Men/Ballad of Pat O'Shane/Hot City/Ranchero!/People, Cattle & Heroes
April/May 2012:
Zagor, Book 11: The Chico Adventures (HC, 650 pages) Chico Story, Chico the American, Chico Sheriff, Indian Chico & Fanta Chico
June 2012:
Magic Wind, Selected Stories, Book 2 (HC, 400 pages) - Devil's Left Hand/The White Haired Boy/Unmerciful/The Man without a Face
July/August 2012:
Ken Parker, Book 4 (HC, 500 pages) - The Implacable Butch/The Long Red Road/Santa Fe Express/The Superflous One/Story about Weapons & Betrayals
September 2012:
Nathan Never, Selected Stories, Book 1 (HC, 400 pages) - Special Alpha Agent/The Forbidden Zone/Shadow People/Eyes of a Stranger
October/November 2012:
Ken Parker, Book 5 (HC, 500 pages) - God's Judgement/The Day when the Chatanooga Burned/The Missouri Queen/Montana/Lilly & the Hunter
December 2012:
VACATION! (Mexico)
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Mairosu
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Posted - 23/10/2011 : 01:23:45
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| Alfa je Alpha po engleski...samo da ispravim :) |
Ko igra za raju, i zanemaruje taktiku, zavrsit ce karijeru u nizerazrednom Vratniku.
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acestroke
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acestroke
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Posted - 24/10/2011 : 22:24:04
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Evo, jutros sam dobio jos jednu e-mail poruku od jednog distributora ovdje u Americi. Kako god se pogleda, izdavacki riziki su veliki, makar ako je istina ono sto on kaze:
Armand, I suggest that before you make a deal for the Bonelli properties, you talk to Charles Pelto at www.classiccomicspress.com. He may be able to suggest pitfalls to avoid as you consider publishing.
Anyone else in publishing may also be helpful, but Charles has published several classic comic strip collections, and your audience would cross over with his to a small degree.
I'm sorry I can't help you with printers; that's not my area. But should you decide to go ahead, you have these areas of sale:
1. Sales to individuals (including your website, Amazon, convention sales, etc.)
2. Sales directly to shops (comic shops and bookstores mostly, and they do have significant differences)
3. Sales to wholesalers (Diamond Comics Distribution, perhaps, and Last Gasp of San Francisco for comics, and potentially other distros that may arise, and in the book trade, a much wider choice: Ingram, Baker & Taylor, IPG, Perseus, and more.)
Depending on the track(s) you choose, your pricing needs to be in line with the industry. Let's talk #3 first. In the comics trade, distributors buy at 60% off cover price and resell for 40-50% of the cover price. If your editions are $10, can you make money selling them to Diamond (for instance) at $4? And also cover freight to them?
Comic shops want to pay 50% of cover price, but some will settle for less.
Bookstores are usually willing to pay less: 40-47% off cover (some publishers offer more) but they want returnability for unsold units, which is why your discount can be less for them.
Individuals are usually willing to pay $7.95 to $9.95 for around 100 pages. Your suggested pricing for individual sale is probably right on target.
Should you decide to go further into this project, once your books are printed, I may be able to help you sell them.
I know this won't happen tomorrow, so I also suggest since you are in Chicago that you make plans to attend C2E2 next year, if you have not already done so. There, you can meet other publishers and talk about your intent, and perhaps learn a bit more about sales and marketing for these books. I'd also suggest talking to other retailers in your area, and joining the CBIA forum on Delphi. You can start developing a retailer mailing list based on your forum participation and response. www.delphiforums.com, I think. And search for CBIA.
Good luck!
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split85
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acestroke
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Posted - 24/10/2011 : 22:44:48
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Upravo tako. Zao mi je izdavaca koji onoliko ulazu ovdje u USA (a ima ih hiljade), i onda se nesto od toga pomalo prodaje, a nesto se nikad ne proda, tako da ih dosta propadne, i sigurno bankrutira.
jedini nacin bi bio da stampam, da platim za pravila, i da ih onda prodajem sa website (kao sto je mcn vec predlozio), ali i tu ima malo sanse za uspjeh, je'r dosta ljudi i ne zna za website. U striparnici ljudi makar dodju i onda se sve samo za sebe reklamira, ali problem je sad tim striparnicama dati pola love od toga. Tako kako god da pogledas, sanse su veoma tanke da ja ovo sve preuzmem na sebe
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mcn
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Posted - 24/10/2011 : 22:54:58
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>Ok, to ti nije losa ideja. Ali ipak bi mi trebalo najmanje $17+ hiljada dolara.
Evo još jedna moronska, moja zadnja:
Nadješ 17-18 fanatika Bonellija (na ovom Forumu, jasno, gdje drugdje) i svaki od vas pljune po soma dolara (to je bijednih pet i po soma kuna). Ili ih nađeš 36 pa po 500$. Ili 180 pa po 100$ Ili ... no, razumiješ. I onda imate neformalno dioničko društvo, zaradu prekrižite unaprijed, a šljakaš ionako ti. Mislim, možda bi ih se stvarno našlo za takav prosvjetiteljski rad u Americi?
Čak se ni ne zajebavam.
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