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King Warrior
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Posted - 16/06/2012 : 18:26:19
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Simon Lundström , švedski strip kolekcionar i eksperta, oslobođen je nedavno od optužbe da posjeduje slike sa motivima dječije pornografije. Vrhovni sud donio je konačnu odluku i poništio odluku dva manja suda koja su ga osudila na novčane kazne zbog posjedovanja pedofilskih slika. Te slike su u stvari bile isječci iz japanskih stripova, mangi. Prema policijskom izvještaju, dotični je imao na svom kompu 39 crteža sa motivima dječije pornografije.
Lundström nije samo veliki fan već je i jedan od ljudi koji prevode mange na maternji jezik. Konačna sudska odluka je da se tu radi o izmišljenim figurama iz svijeta fantazije i da se to ne treba porediti sa realnom djecom.
Da le je ovo ispravna sudska odluka? Bez obzira što Lundström prevodi stripove, da li je posjedovanje pomenutih slika dio pornografije ili se slažete sa odlukom vrhovnog suda?
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supermark
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Posted - 16/06/2012 : 18:48:21
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što znači dječje pornografija? slike gole djece? po tome bi mogli zatvoriti sve nas jer imamo svoj/obiteljske slike sa ljetovanja dok smo bili mlađi... |
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andjusticeforall
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bosancicigor
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Posted - 16/06/2012 : 18:59:27
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Dobra odluka suda u svakom slučaju! U sličnoj situaciji je bio svojedobno i Alan Moore sa Lost Girls kad su ga napali za pedofiliju i pornografiju, prošao je kroz pakao da bi na kraju stvar pala po identičnim točkama. A općenito, pornografiju u umjetnosti teško je definirati....zaguljeno pitanje u svakom slučaju. Na pitanje iz naslova topika" da li je strip pornografija?" odgovorio bih apsolutno ne! Ali pitanje je malo nezgodno postavljeno, recimo da pitaš "da li u stripu ima pornografije?" odgovorio bih ti da vjerojatno ima, kao i u svim medijima...međutim, konkretno u mediju stripa bih to prije nazvao lošim trashom nego pornografijom. |
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Jasko
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Posted - 16/06/2012 : 19:03:26
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Naslov teme je "Da li je strip pornografija?", a u temi tema, decija pornografija. Misim, postoji sustinska i sa medicinske strane bitna razlika izmedju "pornografije" i "decije pornografije".
Ovo ostalo necu ni da komentarisem, jer niti znam kakve su slike u pitanju, niti da li su bas iz mangi. Isecci iz japanskih stripova znaci da i onaj koji ih nije sekao, a kupio ih je (pretpostavljam u nekom prodajnom objektu) nije nista bolji/gori od ovog. |
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Cromwell
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Posted - 16/06/2012 : 19:08:48
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Sjekao je stripove! Mogao bi biti i potencijalni manijak. Kasap! Gdje je ta glancer policija kad je treba. |
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Tutta
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Posted - 16/06/2012 : 19:09:30
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moje misljenje je-u evropi je to zabranjeno! zakon mora bolje definirati sto se smije a sto nesmije. jer istocnoazijska kultura nemoze se da usporedi sa evropskom. traze se rupe u zakonu i simon lundström ju je pronasao. prevodi japanske stripove.mozemo voziti japanska auta a taj njihov pervezluk nek ostane tamo gdje je. u tajlandu postoji veliki seksturizam,njemackja je pocela,ako zazna i ima dokaze,kaznjavati nijemce koji idu tamo i imaju seks sa djecom. rijetkih slucajeva je vec bilo,al bolje ista nego nista. a uz sve to.u zap.evropi se desavaju cudne stvari. |
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Jasko
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Posted - 16/06/2012 : 19:21:51
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quote: Originally posted by Tutta
moje misljenje je-u evropi je to zabranjeno! zakon mora bolje definirati sto se smije a sto nesmije. jer istocnoazijska kultura nemoze se da usporedi sa evropskom. traze se rupe u zakonu i simon lundström ju je pronasao. prevodi japanske stripove.mozemo voziti japanska auta a taj njihov pervezluk nek ostane tamo gdje je. u tajlandu postoji veliki seksturizam,njemackja je pocela,ako zazna i ima dokaze,kaznjavati nijemce koji idu tamo i imaju seks sa djecom. rijetkih slucajeva je vec bilo,al bolje ista nego nista. a uz sve to.u zap.evropi se desavaju cudne stvari.
Pretpostavljam da smatras da u Africi zive samo hanibali? I, verovatno, ta njihova paganska kultura i "pervezluk" treba da ostanu tamo odakle je?
Pedofilija je bolest koja nastaje usled poremecaja u temporalnom reznju. Nema to nikakve veze sa kulturom ovih ili onih.
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Tutta
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Posted - 16/06/2012 : 19:29:20
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previse pretpostavljas. nesto sto je kod nekog dobro,nemora cijeli svijet uzeti zdravo za gotovo. |
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Jasko
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Posted - 16/06/2012 : 19:45:40
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quote: Originally posted by Tutta
previse pretpostavljas. nesto sto je kod nekog dobro,nemora cijeli svijet uzeti zdravo za gotovo.
Sta je dobro? Pedofilija? Nije evropska zdravstvena organizacija, nego svetska. Nema kod nekog, nigde. I procitaj ponovo sta je pedofilija i kako nema veze sa kulturom ili obicajem nekog podrucja. |
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bjelolasica
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Posted - 16/06/2012 : 19:56:42
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
Te slike su u stvari bile isječci iz japanskih stripova, mangi. Prema policijskom izvještaju, dotični je imao na svom kompu 39 crteža sa motivima dječije pornografije.
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Tutta
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Posted - 16/06/2012 : 20:16:56
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quote: Originally posted by Jasko
quote: Originally posted by Tutta
previse pretpostavljas. nesto sto je kod nekog dobro,nemora cijeli svijet uzeti zdravo za gotovo.
Sta je dobro? Pedofilija? Nije evropska zdravstvena organizacija, nego svetska. Nema kod nekog, nigde. I procitaj ponovo sta je pedofilija i kako nema veze sa kulturom ili obicajem nekog podrucja.
u japanu eto ima stripova sa djecijom pornografijom, u njemackoj nema,ti stripovi su zabranjeni. i nek su zabranjeni! ja sam samo rekao u ovome topicu svoje misljenje. i ispravno je. ja nemam volje da ti bilo sta objasnjavljam! |
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Jasko
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Posted - 16/06/2012 : 20:24:51
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quote: Originally posted by Tutta u japanu eto ima stripova sa djecijom pornografijom, u njemackoj nema,ti stripovi su zabranjeni. i nek su zabranjeni! ja sam samo rekao u ovome topicu svoje misljenje. i ispravno je. ja nemam volje da ti bilo sta objasnjavljam!
Ili pornografijom? Da, bas osetljivo japansko drustvo (na pornografiju) je igralo na kartu decije pornografije. |
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dcopic
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Posted - 17/06/2012 : 08:39:48
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Naišao sam na japanske pedofilske stripove, na netu, naravno. Ne znam kojeg normalnog čovjeka bi to moglo interesirati. Ali dobro, ima nas svakakvih. Netko to možda sakuplja zato što su crteži i pravi pedofilski snimci niti malo ga ne bi interesirali. Ali slažem se da je čovjeka trebalo osloboditi, jer je između crteža i pravih fotografija ipak velika razlika. Neka samo države nastave loviti prave pedofile, a što se tiče posjedovanja tih stripova i crteža to svakako nije za zatvor, a sad upitno je da li je i za novčanu kaznu.
Zanima me zna li netko da li koja država u Europi prodaje na kioscima takve stripove? |
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xander
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Posted - 17/06/2012 : 11:49:02
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Bilo je valjda prošle godine i u Americi nekih problema kada su nekome na carini našli takve stripove. Sve je to prilično glupo, običan lov na veštice, a crtež nikako ne može biti isto što i slika ili snimak. |
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stinky
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Posted - 17/06/2012 : 13:11:10
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quote: Originally posted by bosancicigor
U sličnoj situaciji je bio svojedobno i Alan Moore sa Lost Girls kad su ga napali za pedofiliju i pornografiju, prošao je kroz pakao da bi na kraju stvar pala po identičnim točkama. A općenito, pornografiju u umjetnosti teško je definirati....zaguljeno pitanje u svakom slučaju.
dobro da spominješ moorea i pakao, tog notornog pornografa i taj pornografski strip. tebi može biti sve teško definirati i zaguljeno, jer si valjda stanovnik Literarne Republike. meni je, s druge strane, lako. pakao je pornografja, drugim riječima - smeće. |
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wele
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Posted - 17/06/2012 : 13:31:07
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quote: Originally posted by Tutta
quote: Originally posted by Jasko
quote: Originally posted by Tutta
previse pretpostavljas. nesto sto je kod nekog dobro,nemora cijeli svijet uzeti zdravo za gotovo.
Sta je dobro? Pedofilija? Nije evropska zdravstvena organizacija, nego svetska. Nema kod nekog, nigde. I procitaj ponovo sta je pedofilija i kako nema veze sa kulturom ili obicajem nekog podrucja.
u japanu eto ima stripova sa djecijom pornografijom, u njemackoj nema,ti stripovi su zabranjeni. i nek su zabranjeni! ja sam samo rekao u ovome topicu svoje misljenje. i ispravno je. ja nemam volje da ti bilo sta objasnjavljam!
Dovoljno si rekao 
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sandyboy
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bosancicigor
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Posted - 17/06/2012 : 13:57:58
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quote: Originally posted by sandyboy
quote: Originally posted by stinky pakao je pornografja, drugim riječima - smeće.

Znam da nas ima svakakvih stinky, ali ovakvo razmišljanje....mislim stvarno... |
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Mhejl
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Posted - 17/06/2012 : 14:03:07
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Neko spomenu "lov na vještice". Ja se slažem, i ovakve stvari su pokazatelj da, kada društvo postaje svjesno poremećeja ljudske psihe koji su donedavno bili "tabu tema", prolazi fazu histeričnih reakcija i zaključaka, u kojoj neizbježno strada - i dio nedužnih. A mislim da je švedski gospodin ishitreno optužen.
Slažem se i sa Veletom, samo što bih ja test proširio na opšte obrazovanje i logičko zaključivanje...  |
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bosancicigor
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Posted - 17/06/2012 : 14:12:08
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quote: Originally posted by stinky
quote: Originally posted by bosancicigor
U sličnoj situaciji je bio svojedobno i Alan Moore sa Lost Girls kad su ga napali za pedofiliju i pornografiju, prošao je kroz pakao da bi na kraju stvar pala po identičnim točkama. A općenito, pornografiju u umjetnosti teško je definirati....zaguljeno pitanje u svakom slučaju.
dobro da spominješ moorea i pakao, tog notornog pornografa i taj pornografski strip. tebi može biti sve teško definirati i zaguljeno, jer si valjda stanovnik Literarne Republike. meni je, s druge strane, lako. pakao je pornografja, drugim riječima - smeće.
...i da, lijepo si razumio moj post i kirurški precizno isčitao gdje spominjem Mooreov Pakao, vjerojatno kao i sam strip.  |
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sandyboy
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Posted - 17/06/2012 : 14:18:07
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Ne kontam otkud je to da je From Hell pornografija izvukao. Kod pornografije su golotinja i seks sami sebi svrhom. U From Hell ima par scena seksa ali su u službi priče, ne tu da bi netko tresao majmuna na njih (a bome i ne znam koga bi baš napalile :D). Ako ćemo tako i svaki strip koji ima scenu seksa u sebi je pornografija, komotno možemo sve osim Zagora zabraniti... :D |
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stinky
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Posted - 17/06/2012 : 14:20:40
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radi se o tome da ti nisi shvatio: kažem, dobro je da spominješ moorea i pakao... nigdje ne kažem mooreov pakao. na taj način, što ti spominješ "ono što ne znaš" jamčiš za istinitiji iskaz, onaj nesvjesni. |
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stinky
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Posted - 17/06/2012 : 14:25:10
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quote: Originally posted by sandyboy
Ne kontam otkud je to da je From Hell pornografija izvukao. Kod pornografije su golotinja i seks sami sebi svrhom. U From Hell ima
sandiboj, fromhel je pornografija razaranja ljudskog tijela i duha. sve će ti biti jasnije kada pročitaš najbolji tekst o Paklu ikada viđen (bez lažne skromnosti, taj tekst je moj i samo moj, na žalost za sada sam u lažnoj poziciji jer se tekst nalazi samo u mojoj glavi) - Alan Moore: čovjek koji je porodio popišanu pticu. |
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Tutta
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Posted - 17/06/2012 : 15:08:05
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quote: Originally posted by wele
quote: Originally posted by Tutta
quote: Originally posted by Jasko
quote: Originally posted by Tutta
previse pretpostavljas. nesto sto je kod nekog dobro,nemora cijeli svijet uzeti zdravo za gotovo.
Sta je dobro? Pedofilija? Nije evropska zdravstvena organizacija, nego svetska. Nema kod nekog, nigde. I procitaj ponovo sta je pedofilija i kako nema veze sa kulturom ili obicajem nekog podrucja.
u japanu eto ima stripova sa djecijom pornografijom, u njemackoj nema,ti stripovi su zabranjeni. i nek su zabranjeni! ja sam samo rekao u ovome topicu svoje misljenje. i ispravno je. ja nemam volje da ti bilo sta objasnjavljam!
Dovoljno si rekao 
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