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DeeCay
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Posted - 16/12/2012 : 01:09:15
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Pretvaram se da kužim što si zapravo pitao?! LOTR i Hobbit su dvije različite priče (iako povezane svijetom i likovima)... Tu je razlika. |
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Darth Ivan
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Posted - 16/12/2012 : 01:25:40
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quote: Originally posted by DeeCay
Pretvaram se da kužim što si zapravo pitao?! LOTR i Hobbit su dvije različite priče (iako povezane svijetom i likovima)... Tu je razlika.
a o čemu se radi u Hobbitu u odnosu na LOTR? |
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swamp thing
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Posted - 16/12/2012 : 09:24:13
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quote: Originally posted by Darth Ivan
quote: Originally posted by DeeCay
Pretvaram se da kužim što si zapravo pitao?! LOTR i Hobbit su dvije različite priče (iako povezane svijetom i likovima)... Tu je razlika.
a o čemu se radi u Hobbitu u odnosu na LOTR?
Darth Ivan ponovo napada  Gle, Hobit je poprilično drugačija knjiga od Gospodara. Gospodar je malo 'ozbiljniji' (khm,khm), dok je Hobit kao neka fina bajkica za laku noć. Što ne mijenja činjenicu da je to jako dobra bajkica. Mislim, sam početak knjige je genijalan, pisac kaže 'U jednoj rupi u zemlji živeo je hobit' i onda počinje da opisuje rupu, dok se ti pitaš 'Koji kurac je hobit?' Ali razvlačenje Hobita u 3 filma? Ne vidim kako to može da ne bude dosadno... Idem danas na nagovor jarana, inače ne bih ni gledao... |
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Windwalker
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Posted - 16/12/2012 : 12:31:45
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Imao sam noćnu moru o ovom filmu, da će mi biti loš. Već cijelu vječnost nisam sanjao niti imao more, i onda baš ovo.

Naravno da ne očekujem LOTR. No, vjerujem da će biti najbolji fantasy poslije LOTR-a ikad. |
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Darth Ivan
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Posted - 16/12/2012 : 14:31:54
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quote: Originally posted by swamp thing
Darth Ivan ponovo napada  Gle, Hobit je poprilično drugačija knjiga od Gospodara. Gospodar je malo 'ozbiljniji' (khm,khm), dok je Hobit kao neka fina bajkica za laku noć. Što ne mijenja činjenicu da je to jako dobra bajkica. Mislim, sam početak knjige je genijalan, pisac kaže 'U jednoj rupi u zemlji živeo je hobit' i onda počinje da opisuje rupu, dok se ti pitaš 'Koji kurac je hobit?' Ali razvlačenje Hobita u 3 filma? Ne vidim kako to može da ne bude dosadno... Idem danas na nagovor jarana, inače ne bih ni gledao...
očito je taj stil "idemo uzet jednu knjigu i razvuć je što više možemo" sad postao generalni stil hollywoodskih filmskih adaptacija knjiga. ni ništa novo ustvari, već smo vidjeli to sranje s Harry Potterom i onim zadnjim dijelom.
a na kraju krajeva, zašto ne bi i napravili tako nešto kad možeš zaradit 10x više love.
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dosada
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Darth Ivan
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Posted - 16/12/2012 : 16:03:49
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naravno da u filmu treba uživat i u kinematografiji i soundtracku, ali zar nisu ove dvije stvari ipak manje važne od same radnje?
jer ova prva dva elementa bi trebali bit "pratnja" ovom trećem elementu, zar ne?
druga je stvar što Hollywood danas misli suprotno. |
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dosada
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rommel
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Posted - 16/12/2012 : 16:25:21
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quote: Originally posted by DeeCay
Pretvaram se da kužim što si zapravo pitao?! LOTR i Hobbit su dvije različite priče (iako povezane svijetom i likovima)... Tu je razlika.
zapravo nisu...uopće - hobit je prolog malo duži ne toliko da opravda tri filma ali to je već anomalija slična onoj kad je boorman htio napraviti lotr u 90 minuta - razlika je št onda nisu vjerovali da to može donjeti novac - pa su ipak dali bakshiju a ne boormanu - danas znaju da to nosi novac pa su dali jackieju opet... |
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swamp thing
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Posted - 16/12/2012 : 16:28:56
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quote: Originally posted by Darth Ivan
quote: Originally posted by swamp thing
Darth Ivan ponovo napada  Gle, Hobit je poprilično drugačija knjiga od Gospodara. Gospodar je malo 'ozbiljniji' (khm,khm), dok je Hobit kao neka fina bajkica za laku noć. Što ne mijenja činjenicu da je to jako dobra bajkica. Mislim, sam početak knjige je genijalan, pisac kaže 'U jednoj rupi u zemlji živeo je hobit' i onda počinje da opisuje rupu, dok se ti pitaš 'Koji kurac je hobit?' Ali razvlačenje Hobita u 3 filma? Ne vidim kako to može da ne bude dosadno... Idem danas na nagovor jarana, inače ne bih ni gledao...
očito je taj stil "idemo uzet jednu knjigu i razvuć je što više možemo" sad postao generalni stil hollywoodskih filmskih adaptacija knjiga. ni ništa novo ustvari, već smo vidjeli to sranje s Harry Potterom i onim zadnjim dijelom.
a na kraju krajeva, zašto ne bi i napravili tako nešto kad možeš zaradit 10x više love.
Pa, razvlačenje kraće priče u više filmova može biti dobro, ali ne Džeksonovo. Njemu ponajviše zamijeram to, on film koji može komotno ograničiti na 2 sata razvuče na 3 sata nekim nepotrebnim scenama (vidjeti Povratak Kralja, King Kong,...). Dakle, pravljenje Hobita u više filmova - OK. Pravljenje Hobita u 3 filma od strane Džeksona - ne... |
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Windwalker
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Posted - 16/12/2012 : 17:44:24
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Povratak Kralja je savršen i volio bi čak i da je duži od extended verzije, a ne kraći.
King Kong je bezveze, ali to nije zbog dužine trajanja filma.
A za Hobbit ću dati komentar vrijedi li stvarno svoje dužine kad ga pogledam.
Harry Potter je trebao svaki nastavak u barem 2 filma, da budem iskren. |
Edited by - Windwalker on 16/12/2012 17:45:14 |
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Mord
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Posted - 16/12/2012 : 21:46:55
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Upravo pogledao film. Malo je razvucen, i sve je to vise manje vec vidjeno u gospodaru prstenova. Nije lose, sto sam ocekivao to sam i dobio. Da su mogli i krace, definitivno. |
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Darth Ivan
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Posted - 16/12/2012 : 22:07:18
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quote: Originally posted by dosada
ne ne nema to veze s `woodom
znači, u prijevodu, tebi su kinematografija i specijalni efekti važniji od same radnje?
misliš li da tako nešto danas nije glavna tendencija u Hollywoodu? |
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Darth Ivan
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Posted - 16/12/2012 : 22:20:27
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quote: Originally posted by swamp thing
Pa, razvlačenje kraće priče u više filmova može biti dobro, ali ne Džeksonovo.
može biti dobro, kako ne, samo sve mora imat glavu i rep i neki smisao općenito. za Jacksona definitivno neće proć tako nešto.
quote: Njemu ponajviše zamijeram to, on film koji može komotno ograničiti na 2 sata razvuče na 3 sata nekim nepotrebnim scenama (vidjeti Povratak Kralja, King Kong,...). Dakle, pravljenje Hobita u više filmova - OK. Pravljenje Hobita u 3 filma od strane Džeksona - ne...
ja sam ga već odavno prokužio. fakat ne znam zakaj frajer ima tu tendenciju da svaki film kojeg snima ne smije trajat manje od 3 sata. očito još uvijek nije shvatio (a nikad ni neće) da trajanje filma nije sinonim za kvalitetan film.
što se King Konga tiče, Jackson je komotno mogao praktički pol scena izbacit iz njega (pogotovo one scene s debilnim dijalogom između časnika Hayesa i onog njegovog usvojenog klinca, i onu jamu sa žoharima) pa da cijela stvar traje sat i pol, i sve bi odlično ispalo - na kraju krajeva, i original je bio poprilično kratak. ovako... |
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Edited by - Darth Ivan on 16/12/2012 22:26:27 |
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Darth Ivan
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Posted - 16/12/2012 : 22:24:56
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quote: Originally posted by Windwalker
King Kong je bezveze, ali to nije zbog dužine trajanja filma.
to se i ja dan danas pitam: kak su kritičari uzdizali taj film do nebesa da je to nevjerojatno... |
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dosada
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Posted - 16/12/2012 : 23:22:24
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quote: Originally posted by Darth Ivan
quote: Originally posted by dosada
ne ne nema to veze s `woodom
znači, u prijevodu, tebi su kinematografija i specijalni efekti važniji od same radnje?
misliš li da tako nešto danas nije glavna tendencija u Hollywoodu?
ne, krivi si zaključak zvlekel...
ne pratim baš kakvi su trendovi! |
razmjena filmova za stripove! http://forum.stripovi.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=45640
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Amos
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Posted - 17/12/2012 : 00:20:34
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quote: Originally posted by trolodtroje
ili dati zaljubljenicima u gospodara i pre svega hobita ono što žele. nismo svi kritičari, ima nas dečurlije dosta još koji želimo dobru zabavu a ne neke svecke poduhovljene istine u svakom kadru.
Potpisujem ovo. Što su sada svi odjednom opterećeni koliko film traje i kako je Hobbit razvučem na 3 filma?
Evo, ja sam presretan da idu tako dugački filmovi i da će ih biti tri i zaboli me desna tregera koliko će Pere i njegov studio zaraditi! Na meni će sigurno zaraditi najmanje 3 kino karte i DVD/Blu rayeve kada izađu.
A za buduće projekte, volio bih vidjeti Beleriand i Gondolin, Fingolfina pred Morgothom, Turgona i Thousan Caves of Menegroth, Ancalagona i Glaurunga, Turina Turambara i sve ostale divote... U barem 10 nastavaka  |
Uža san gledati Inspektora Rexa, ali odusta san kad su prominili pasa. |
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Darth Ivan
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Just_Charlie
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Posted - 17/12/2012 : 01:18:41
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Izvjestaj moga sina nakon gledanja Hobbita, kojega sam ja, srecom  izbjegla.
- "Mama, u pocetku mi se ucinilo da sam ovdje doveden po kazni.  Nekoliko puta mi se ucinilo da cu skoro zaspati, ( ne pada jabuka daleko od stabla ) ali poslije je film bio zanimljiv, pred kraj je bilo napeto, a kraj je takav da ostavlja mogucnost za novi nastavak. Bio je u onom formatu 48 slicica u sekundi, i ponekad sam imao dojam kao da gledam dokumentarac .. "
Tada je nastavio oponasati Golluma, i svi oko mene,nakon sto su se oporavili od buke, i 3D ocala, su se prihvatili nekog od likova, stoga je meni Hobbit film bio zanimljiviji i smjesniji po doma, nego mnogima od Vas koji ste ga gledali u kinu.
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Posted - 17/12/2012 : 01:22:52
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Smece..ka i prva tri..tj. posljednja..da je rezira Burton to bi bila druga prica.. |
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brni
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Posted - 17/12/2012 : 01:25:41
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quote: Originally posted by Just_Charlie
Izvjestaj moga sina nakon gledanja Hobbita, kojega sam ja, srecom  izbjegla.
- "Mama, u pocetku mi se ucinilo da sam ovdje doveden po kazni. 
ako ga budem ima nadam se da ce mi sin biti na tom levelu.. |
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Just_Charlie
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Posted - 17/12/2012 : 01:40:30
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quote: Originally posted by brni
quote: Originally posted by Just_Charlie
Izvjestaj moga sina nakon gledanja Hobbita, kojega sam ja, srecom  izbjegla.
- "Mama, u pocetku mi se ucinilo da sam ovdje doveden po kazni. 
ako ga budem ima nadam se da ce mi sin biti na tom levelu..
vjerujem da ce za koju godinu rasturati glazbeno/filmske/strip/knjizne recenzije, ovdje ili na nekom dr. forumu. 
Tek je navrsio 13. Za sad rastura algoritme, i moje zivce 
(i ne, nista od toga bas nije naucio u skoli ) |
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sandyboy
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Posted - 17/12/2012 : 01:41:41
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quote: Originally posted by brni
Smece..ka i prva tri..tj. posljednja..da je rezira Burton to bi bila druga prica..
 Zamisli Deppa kao Aragorna. A Helena Bonham Carter bi naravno bila Galadriel. |
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Ignus
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Posted - 17/12/2012 : 01:52:00
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Ajmo malo trčanja uzbrdo...pa trčanja nizbrdo....pa propadamo u bezdan 5-6x.....zatim opet trčimo uzbrdo pa nizbrdo i onda sretnemo najodurnijeg monstera ikad koji priča kao da je šekspirijanski glumac....zatim opet padamo u provaliju...pa se malo vozimo saonicama koje vuku zečevi....pa nam uleti hologram od Galadrijel, pa opet bježimo dok nas orlovi ne spase.....očaj živi Da ne ispadne da mi se ništ ne sviđa početak je super, Smaugov napad na patuljačku utvrdu mi se zbilja sviđa, a Bilbo vs Golum u Moriji je najsvjetlija točka filma. |
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swamp thing
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Posted - 17/12/2012 : 03:24:27
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quote: Originally posted by Ignus
Ajmo malo trčanja uzbrdo...pa trčanja nizbrdo....pa propadamo u bezdan 5-6x.....zatim opet trčimo uzbrdo pa nizbrdo i onda sretnemo najodurnijeg monstera ikad koji priča kao da je šekspirijanski glumac....zatim opet padamo u provaliju...pa se malo vozimo saonicama koje vuku zečevi....pa nam uleti hologram od Galadrijel, pa opet bježimo dok nas orlovi ne spase.....očaj živi Da ne ispadne da mi se ništ ne sviđa početak je super, Smaugov napad na patuljačku utvrdu mi se zbilja sviđa, a Bilbo vs Golum u Moriji je najsvjetlija točka filma.
Ovo boldano se apsolutno slažem. Odgledao večeras, što sam očekivao to sam i dobio. Film je (naravno) razvučen, humor je najgori mogući, praznog hoda ima više nego što treba, borbe ima više nego što treba, likova obasjanih suncem u sloumoušnu ima više nego što treba. Ono što je prednost u odnosu na Gospodare je Frimen u ulozi Bilba. Koje je to osvježenje nakon Froda... Sve u svemu, ljubitelji prethodnih filmova ne bi trebali biti razočarani, meni je onako... |
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