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Posted - 28/01/2013 : 14:55:05
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quote: Originally posted by Zagor12
Pročitao sam ih nekolicinu i znam na što ciljaš, ali ja govorim o kvaliteti filmova kao filmova, a ne o tome kako je Burton vjerno prikazao Gotham i slično. I recimo, samo Millerov Batman me puno više podsjeća na Nolanove nego na Burtonove filmove.
Zato sta se Burton tim nije ni sluzia a Nolan je, vec s Strange Apparitions Steve Engleharta..e procitaj taj strip i onda ces viditi jasnu razliku u kvaliteti izmedu Nolana i Burtona..kad vec dolazimo do usporedbi ko bolje adaptira..
Procitaj ovaj strip:
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quote: Originally posted by Zagor12 ... ali ja govorim o kvaliteti filmova kao filmova, a ne o tome kako je Burton vjerno prikazao Gotham i slično.
ako govoriš o kvaliteti samih filmova onda je tek Burton u prednosti, jer je snimil dva bezvremenska klasika. Za Nolanove filmove se vec sad polako gubi interes a kaj bu tek za 20+ godina koliko je prošlo od Burtonovih! O ostalim fimskim aspektima (kvaliteti filma) mislim da s tobom nema smisla raspravljati jer sumnjam da znaš ikaj više o filmskoj režiji, montaži i svemu onom kaj čini jedan film...
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Zagor12
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Posted - 28/01/2013 : 15:03:45
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quote: Originally posted by brni
quote: Originally posted by Zagor12
Pročitao sam ih nekolicinu i znam na što ciljaš, ali ja govorim o kvaliteti filmova kao filmova, a ne o tome kako je Burton vjerno prikazao Gotham i slično. I recimo, samo Millerov Batman me puno više podsjeća na Nolanove nego na Burtonove filmove.
Zato sta se Burton tim nije ni sluzia a Nolan je, vec s Strange Apparitions Steve Engleharta..e procitaj taj strip i onda ces viditi jasnu razliku u kvaliteti izmedu Nolana i Burtona..kad vec dolazimo do usporedbi ko bolje adaptira..
Nisam ja ni rekao da Burton loše adaptira, samo sam želio istaknuti da je Nolan napravio filmove koji će bolje proći kod zahtjevne publike (ne stripovske, već filmske). Njegovi filmovi su puno ozbiljniji i kompleksniji. Samim time su vrlo realniji i mislim da je to ključ uspjeha njegove trilogije. Ako napraviš superherojski film koji je realan, onda znaš da si napravio remek-djelo. Što se tiče adaptacije - možda je tu Burton bolji, vjerojatno i jest, ne poričem to. Ali ovdje govorimo o kvaliteti uratka, a ne o vjernosti filma prema stripu.
I da, eto, opet smo počeli...
I da, pročitat ću strip, hvala brni! |
Z12 je sada Golub, ali sajt je ostao isti: http://superheroji.com.hr/ - Najnovije iz svijeta superheroja
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Posted - 28/01/2013 : 15:07:12
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quote: Originally posted by Zagor12
Nisam ja ni rekao da Burton loše adaptira, samo sam želio istaknuti da je Nolan napravio filmove koji će bolje proći kod zahtjevne publike (ne stripovske, već filmske). Njegovi filmovi su puno ozbiljniji i kompleksniji. Samim time su vrlo realniji i mislim da je to ključ uspjeha njegove trilogije. Ako napraviš superherojski film koji je realan, onda znaš da si napravio remek-djelo. Što se tiče adaptacije - možda je tu Burton bolji, vjerojatno i jest, ne poričem to. Ali ovdje govorimo o kvaliteti uratka, a ne o vjernosti filma prema stripu.
je, nevjerojatno je koliko je pokupil festivalskih i inih filmskih nagrada kao znak kvalitete kod zahtijevnije publike 
majko mila, kakve ti guposti pišeš 
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brni
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Posted - 28/01/2013 : 15:10:03
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quote: Originally posted by Zagor12
Nisam ja ni rekao da Burton loše adaptira, samo sam želio istaknuti da je Nolan napravio filmove koji će bolje proći kod zahtjevne publike (ne stripovske, već filmske). Njegovi filmovi su puno ozbiljniji i kompleksniji. Samim time su vrlo realniji i mislim da je to ključ uspjeha njegove trilogije. Ako napraviš superherojski film koji je realan, onda znaš da si napravio remek-djelo. Što se tiče adaptacije - možda je tu Burton bolji, vjerojatno i jest, ne poričem to. Ali ovdje govorimo o kvaliteti uratka, a ne o vjernosti filma prema stripu.
Ti sam sebi skaces u usta..osim sta su Burtonove adaptacije odlicne to su ujedno i odlicni filmovi..po svim kako ti kazes filmskim parametrima odlicni filmovi..ti bi tija omalovazit Burtona ka redatelja kroz ovu demagogiju..ja smatram da je Nolan los redatelj..zato su mu i adaptacije lose..kakvi realisticni filmovi..realisticni filmovi o fiktivnim strip junacima..sta ce sad Snyder radit..realisticnog Supermana..  |
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Edited by - brni on 28/01/2013 15:11:27 |
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Posted - 28/01/2013 : 15:12:22
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Za Nolanove filmove se vec sad polako gubi interes a kaj bu tek za 20+ godina koliko je prošlo od Burtonovih!
Po čemu to zaključuješ? Ili ja nemam pojma što se događa .
quote: nije problem da se tebi više sviđa Nolan ali nemoj o kvaliteti, jer o tome pojma nemaš 
  
Iskreno ne znam po čemu je recimo Batman iz 1989 kvalitetniji od The Dark Knighta iz 2008 ali dobro, još sam zelen. |
Z12 je sada Golub, ali sajt je ostao isti: http://superheroji.com.hr/ - Najnovije iz svijeta superheroja
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Posted - 28/01/2013 : 15:17:05
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Burtonove Batamane nuopće uspoređivat s Nolanovim po pitanju kvalitet je smiješno. Burtonovi su nominirani i priznati baš kao filmovi u kojima se pored specijalnih efekata (tu mu je Nolan jedino i konkurecija) ističe režija. S druge strane govoriti o neozbiljnosti Burtonovih Batmana, filma koji je nominiran zza jedan od najboljih dramaturških filmove te godine.... ma uostalom, bespredmetno je uopće vodit klincima ovakve rasprave, nek uživaju u svom virtualnom svijetu. samo deca kad padne na zemlju to bu vas jake bolelo jer s visoka padate (: |
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Posted - 28/01/2013 : 15:19:57
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quote: Originally posted by NESVRSTANI
Neznan koji su najbolji, meni su Burtonovi najdraži. Glasa za jadinicu.
Nisam ni sumnja..  |
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Posted - 28/01/2013 : 15:20:24
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quote: je, nevjerojatno je koliko je pokupil festivalskih i inih filmskih nagrada kao znak kvalitete kod zahtijevnije publike
Burtonov Batman je sigurno pokupio bolje kritike kod zahtjevnije publike...
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Ti sam sebi skaces u usta..osim sta su Burtonove adaptacije odlicne to su ujedno i odlicni filmovi..po svim kako ti kazes filmskim parametrima odlicni filmovi..ti bi tija omalovazit Burtona ka redatelja kroz ovu demagogiju..ja smatram da je Nolan los redatelj..zato su mu i adaptacije lose..kakvi realisticni filmovi..realisticni filmovi o fiktivnim strip junacima..sta ce sad Snyder radit..realisticnog Supermana..
Burtonovi filmovi jesu dobri, ali Nolanovi su bolji još sto puta.
I gdje sam ja rekao da je Burton loš redatelj ili ga htio omalovažavati!? To što sam rekao da su njegovi Batmani smijurija naspram Nolanovih ne znači da je on loš redatelj nego da je Nolan fantastičan redatelj. I Burton je odličan, Bože moj, ali Nolan ga je totalno potukao što se Batmana tiče i to priznaje mnoštvo gledatelja diljem svijeta.
quote: realisticni filmovi o fiktivnim strip junacima..
Misliš da nije moguće da neki terorist okupi vojsku i krene zauzeti grad? To je sigurno realnije od pingvina koji se skriva u kanalizaciji. |
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Posted - 28/01/2013 : 15:21:56
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quote: Originally posted by dosada
Burtonove Batamane nuopće uspoređivat s Nolanovim po pitanju kvalitet je smiješno. Burtonovi su nominirani i priznati baš kao filmovi u kojima se pored specijalnih efekata (tu mu je Nolan jedino i konkurecija) ističe režija. S druge strane govoriti o neozbiljnosti Burtonovih Batmana, filma koji je nominiran zza jedan od najboljih dramaturških filmove te godine.... ma uostalom, bespredmetno je uopće vodit klincima ovakve rasprave, nek uživaju u svom virtualnom svijetu. samo deca kad padne na zemlju to bu vas jake bolelo jer s visoka padate (:
Da jedino u tom segmentu ulaze u istu recenicu..sve ostalo je debelo na strani Burtona.. |
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Posted - 28/01/2013 : 15:22:15
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Dragi su mi i Burtonovi i Nolanovi... Rado i obavezno pogledam kad se bilo koji prikaže na TV-u (gledao drugi Burtonov nedavno - odlično!). U načelu mi je Burtonov prvi najbolji, i iz nostalgičnih, a i praktičnih razloga. No, i Nolanovi nisu za baciti. Ne bih imao protiv da je nastavio s franšizom...
P.S. Nije li nedavno bio neki poll za Batmanove filmove? |
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Posted - 28/01/2013 : 15:22:56
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quote: Originally posted by Zagor12
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Za Nolanove filmove se vec sad polako gubi interes a kaj bu tek za 20+ godina koliko je prošlo od Burtonovih!
Po čemu to zaključuješ? Ili ja nemam pojma što se događa .
quote: nije problem da se tebi više sviđa Nolan ali nemoj o kvaliteti, jer o tome pojma nemaš 
  
Iskreno ne znam po čemu je recimo Batman iz 1989 kvalitetniji od The Dark Knighta iz 2008 ali dobro, još sam zelen.
pa po tome da je u vrijeme izlaska bil najbolji film svih vremena a danas je vec samo u top 10 i sl. topovima...u svega par godina! Kaj ti to nije dovoljan pokazatelj? Kaj se tiče kvalitet to je nekaj zakaj ti treba određeno predznanje da mi mogel shvatiti. Nije nikakva floskula ali kvalitetu filma nije moguće nekome tko ju neprepoznaje riječima opisati.I iskustvo ima tu važnu ulogu... |
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Posted - 28/01/2013 : 15:27:32
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quote: Originally posted by Zagor12 Misliš da nije moguće da neki terorist okupi vojsku i krene zauzeti grad? To je sigurno realnije od pingvina koji se skriva u kanalizaciji.
ovo da ti još ovo odgovorim jer je odgovor vrlo jednostavan, pa buš ga onda valjda i shvatil...
nije, nije moguće ni baciti bombu ili malo jaču petardu a da te policija ne uhvati a kamoli organizranati napad na grad. Dovoljno je da samo malo čitaš kaj se događa u svijet pa da to vidiš. E vidiš to ti je to prodavanje magle kod Nolana i sad ti daj do znanja nadobudnim klincima poput tebe da to nie tak. Jer više se vjeruje Nolanovoj fikciji nego golim činjenicama oko sebe  |
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Posted - 28/01/2013 : 15:30:12
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quote: Originally posted by DeeCay P.S. Nije li nedavno bio neki poll za Batmanove filmove?
to je valjda jedina tema koja privuče više od 5 sugovrnika.... ...svaka druga neka filmska rasprava je očito prezahtjevna po pitanju predznanja pa onda nema ni sugovrnika. Evo i ovdje ima takvih bisera da je to presmiješno! |
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Posted - 28/01/2013 : 15:31:15
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quote: Originally posted by dosada
quote: Originally posted by Zagor12
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Za Nolanove filmove se vec sad polako gubi interes a kaj bu tek za 20+ godina koliko je prošlo od Burtonovih!
Po čemu to zaključuješ? Ili ja nemam pojma što se događa .
quote: nije problem da se tebi više sviđa Nolan ali nemoj o kvaliteti, jer o tome pojma nemaš 
  
Iskreno ne znam po čemu je recimo Batman iz 1989 kvalitetniji od The Dark Knighta iz 2008 ali dobro, još sam zelen.
pa po tome da je u vrijeme izlaska bil najbolji film svih vremena a danas je vec samo u top 10 i sl. topovima...u svega par godina! Kaj ti to nije dovoljan pokazatelj?
To je bila uobičajena euforija a i ti si to malčice napuhao... Tako su mnogi novinari pisali uglavnom zbog toga što nikada nisu vidjeli tako dobar superherojski film, tj. osvježenje.
Mislim da će za deset-dvadeset godina TDK imati status kultnog filma i nikako neće biti zaboravljen, ako si na to mislio. I mislim da će se ljudi manje sjećati Burtonovih filmova čisto zbog toga što je stariji. To nije stvar kvalitete već generacija gledatelja... |
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Posted - 28/01/2013 : 15:34:32
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Što se tiče koliko je vjerno Burton adaptirao Batmana, zar nije on svojevremeno izjavio da nije nikad pročitao niti jedan strip o Batmanu i da niti ne namjerava? I zar mu nisu fanovi u vrijeme izlaska tih filmova spočitavali što je dosta toga mijenjao (dao Jokeru identitet, itd.)? |
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Posted - 28/01/2013 : 15:34:49
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quote: Originally posted by dosada
quote: Originally posted by Zagor12 Misliš da nije moguće da neki terorist okupi vojsku i krene zauzeti grad? To je sigurno realnije od pingvina koji se skriva u kanalizaciji.
ovo da ti još ovo odgovorim jer je odgovor vrlo jednostavan, pa buš ga onda valjda i shvatil...
nije, nije moguće ni baciti bombu ili malo jaču petardu a da te policija ne uhvati a kamoli organizranati napad na grad. Dovoljno je da samo malo čitaš kaj se događa u svijet pa da to vidiš. E vidiš to ti je to prodavanje magle kod Nolana i sad ti daj do znanja nadobudnim klincima poput tebe da to nie tak. Jer više se vjeruje Nolanovoj fikciji nego golim činjenicama oko sebe 
Realnost je u tome što danas ima sve više psihopata koji će klati ljude na ulicama zbog svojih uvrnutih stavova - ne možeš reći da to nisu Bane ili Joker... |
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