Author |
Topic  |
stripofil
Senior Member
   

Croatia
1687 Posts
Member since 15/10/2010 |
Posted - 30/01/2013 : 14:56:18
|
quote: Originally posted by brni
Sad samo triban nac redatelja..
murdoc jesi li zainteresiran?
 
Čekaj da 1Euro snimi ovu ideju i uspjeh je zagarantiran.  |
 |
|
stripofil
Senior Member
   

Croatia
1687 Posts
Member since 15/10/2010 |
Posted - 30/01/2013 : 14:59:57
|
quote: Originally posted by mr murdoc
Fuck stripofil , nemoj me sada tjerati da te volim. Zekim se..odlican post.
Tko se tuče taj se voli. 
Ma moramo se i nas dvojica oko nečega složiti.  |
 |
|
brni
Advanced Member
    
.jpg)
Croatia
10434 Posts
Member since 18/06/2009 |
Posted - 30/01/2013 : 15:06:46
|
quote: Originally posted by stripofil
Cain mi je inače drag glumac, ali odavno je njegov vrhunac prošao. Uloga u Batmanu mu je ista kao i ona u Miss Congeniality gdje glumi plačkavog peškića. 
    |
"Clark Kent je Supermanova kritika covjecanstva" |
 |
|
stripofil
Senior Member
   

Croatia
1687 Posts
Member since 15/10/2010 |
Posted - 30/01/2013 : 15:14:45
|
quote: Originally posted by Obi-wan Nema šanse. Ako se nekome film svidio (takav kakav je), nikakva slova mu neće ubiti doživljaj. Meni jedino nije jasno kako je moguće gledati film, a da ti gomila gluposti ne upadne u oči. Ja kao prvi nisam zahtjevan (od filma tražim samo zabavu) i nisam neki kritičar koji sve ima u malom prstu. No, ovdje ne nemoguće isključiti loše trenutke (koji ustvari čine cijeli film). Dovraga, čak ni scenama tuče nisam nešto impresioniran...
Treći dio je napravljen bombastično. Sam stil filma, glazba, sve je trebalo potpuno impresionirati gledatelja, bitne stvari poput priče i likova su bačene u drugi plan. To se vidi u samom traileru, imaš dojam da će te pregaziti, sve se trese od glazbe, stiže revolucija. Očito je upalilo, ljudi su toliko pod dojmom da ne primjećuju manjkavosti.
Očekujem veliki broj filmova u ovom stilu u sljedećih par godina, receptura je prošla, zaradila mil.$$$ i to je to.
Već to imamo i u novom Bondu, razmislite malo o samoj priči. Prvo nas se siluje kako je Bond odjednom oronuli starac, stižu zamjene, rješava se Austina i starih gadgeta... da bi se kraj direktno spojio sa starim Bondovima koji su u biti početak cijele sage. WTF? Casino Royal je logičan, imamo mladog sirovog Bonda, priča se slaže, sve 5. Ali ovaj zadnji nema nikakve logike. Uff ode ja sad offtopic, moram uloviti vremena za napisati jedan osvrt na zadnjeg Bonda. |
 |
|
acestroke
stripovi.com suradnik
    

USA
11652 Posts
Member since 16/04/2009 |
|
Obi-wan
Advanced Member
    
.jpg)
Croatia
13782 Posts
Member since 29/08/2004 |
Posted - 30/01/2013 : 16:49:36
|
To je upravo to o čemu govorim. I ima toga još. Upravo sam pogledao film pomiren sa činjenicom da je pun uvreda za inteligenciju i ovaj put mi je bio gledljiv. No ipak, jadan završetak jedne potencijalno velike trilogije... |
What you call sanity, it’s just a prison in your minds that stops you from seeing that you’re just tiny little cogs in a giant absurd machine. |
 |
|
Obi-wan
Advanced Member
    
.jpg)
Croatia
13782 Posts
Member since 29/08/2004 |
Posted - 30/01/2013 : 16:53:05
|
quote: Originally posted by stripofil
[quote][i] Treći dio je napravljen bombastično. Sam stil filma, glazba, sve je trebalo potpuno impresionirati gledatelja, bitne stvari poput priče i likova su bačene u drugi plan. To se vidi u samom traileru, imaš dojam da će te pregaziti, sve se trese od glazbe, stiže revolucija. Očito je upalilo, ljudi su toliko pod dojmom da ne primjećuju manjkavosti.
Očekujem veliki broj filmova u ovom stilu u sljedećih par godina, receptura je prošla, zaradila mil.$$$ i to je to.
Nemam ništa protiv bombastičnosti. Ja sam primjer nezahtjevnog gledatelja kojemu je uglavnom zabava na pameti. No, ne mogu podnijeti da mi se pod okriljem efekata servira đubre. Uz toliki novac, moglo se malo poraditi na detaljima pa da film bude odličan. Ovako, ostaje gorak okus na kraju trilogije.  |
What you call sanity, it’s just a prison in your minds that stops you from seeing that you’re just tiny little cogs in a giant absurd machine. |
 |
|
dosada
Advanced Member
    

Croatia
9033 Posts
Member since 13/05/2009 |
Posted - 30/01/2013 : 17:33:29
|
quote: Originally posted by swamp thing
quote: Originally posted by dosada
quote: Originally posted by swamp thing Pa ti bi kao prosvetar trebalo da znaš koliko je važan način prenošenja informacije od izvora prenošenja za onog koji prima informaciju. Bio u pitanju forum ili ne.
je kad su djeca u pitanju, ali ja ovdje polazim od pretpostavke da diskutiram sa sebi ravnima. Kad vidim da su ispod te razine, pokušam objasniti stvari (na grub i direktan nacin tj. bez foliranja i skrivenih namjera, iako to onda neki tumace kao podbadanje jer banaliziram stvari) a kad vidi da ni to nejde, e onda ti jednostavno direktno velim kaj mislim o tebi...svidlo se to nekom ili ne. Nema ti kod mene proračunatosti i kalkulacija kak mnogi misle, kaj mislim to i velim!
Upravo si ovim postom potvrdio ono što sam naveo ranije. ''Ispod razine''. To je to omalovažavanje. Još je veći problem što ti izrazito paušalno određuješ ko je ''ispod nivoa'', odnosno svodi se na to da se neko ne slaže s tobom. Ali ok, to je tvoj način komunikacije (koji je po meni promašen), ovo je forum, neka svako baljezga kako on misli da treba Da ne idemo više u offtopičarenje 
ajmo još, ipak  točno, ali ovdje vrlo važno gledati korak nazad. Taj korak nazad je onaj moj start da sve prihvacam sebi ravnim, a to je vec iznadprosječno, i po stupnju obrazovanje (konkretno zvanje) i edukacije (količina informacija i uočavanje uzročno-posljedične veze). Ne i intelignecija, tu sam na nekom višem prosjeku (IQ 125) ali to ne smatram nikakvom prednoscu. Prednoscu smatram svoje obrazovanje i nacin razmišljanja, uvijek i o svemu promisljam za razliku od vecine koja se drži onog kaj zna ko pijan plota. Paušalno određujem? E tu se ne slažem. Ukoliko samo pogledaš moje konstatacije lako je uočiti da se one podudaraju s još nekim članovima koji tvrde isto (swamp, brni, obi, murdoc). Znači ja sam svakom forumašu koji na ovoj temi ustvrdil da nema rupa u scenariju, nelogičnosti (ne u smislu da je to priča o superjunacima pa su nelogičnosti uobičajene, vec u smislu da je ono kaj nolan predstavlja kao realno i logično upravo suprotno. Naravno da nek nelogičnosti poput letenja i sl. su uobičajene za ovu vrstu filma.) rekel da nema pojma i da ne razumije filmski jezik. I sad jesam li bil u pravu li ne prosudi sam? Mišljenja sam da sam samo konstatiral vidljivo, i to javno i neuvinuto napisal...nikako ocjenu o nečijem znanju ne donosim na temelju kaj se netko ne slže sa mnom! Dapače to i čini bogatsvo i tu se najbolje uči! Svatko "baljezga"? E pa naravno da na to ima pravo, ali ima onda pravo čuti i kritiku. Svako pravo i obveze, odnosno svatko snosi i određene posljedice svojih izjava, zar ne? A stvarno bi htel videt argumente u kojim sam ja to procjenama fulal. Odnosno, kome sam ja to nekaj rekel (uvredil ga) a da to ustvari uopće nije tak kak sam rekel. Jedino kaj ja ovdje vidim kao veči problme je prihvacanje određenih činjenica. Primjer, netko od forumaša napiše kak ga je film zabavil i dobro se provel u kinu,a dalje u svoj ocjeni filma vidiš da samo komentira razinu zabave i ono kaj uz to ide. Takvom forumašu napišem da je sve ok ali da na film gleda površno. Onda se on nađe uvrijeđen, a gdje je tu uvreda? Pa ja npr. ne čitam knjige, o književnosti znam samo onoliko koliko je to moguće iz filmova i ono kaj sam pročital u čitankama književnosti. Znači vrlo površno. I kaj bi se ja sad trebal uvredit kad mi netko veli da knjižvnost pratim površno? smiješno... Ono kaj mene razlikuje od večine forumaša je u biti samo jedna jedina stvar, a to je prihvačanje činjenica i ne sramim se svojeg neznanja. Monogi forumši imaju rupe u znanju (kao i ja) ali to prikrivaju izbjegavanjem rasprava, a kad se uključe u raspravu i to postane vidljivo onda se ljude ak im direktno veliš kak stoje stvari. Ja se na to ne ljutim i to je suštinska razlika i zbog toliko nazovi "sukobi"...
p.s. mislim da smo na dobrom tragu da se shvatimo pa zato sam nastavil vantematsku diskusiju! |
razmjena filmova za stripove! http://forum.stripovi.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=45640
|
 |
|
stripofil
Senior Member
   

Croatia
1687 Posts
Member since 15/10/2010 |
|
dosada
Advanced Member
    

Croatia
9033 Posts
Member since 13/05/2009 |
|
stripofil
Senior Member
   

Croatia
1687 Posts
Member since 15/10/2010 |
Posted - 30/01/2013 : 17:52:46
|
quote: Originally posted by dosada
ne bojim se čovjeka šišmiša, dapače ovdje neki tvrde da on ni ne postoji ;)
 
Svašta ljudi pričaju, ja sam ga osobno vidio na velikom platnu.  |
 |
|
mr murdoc
Advanced Member
    

Switzerland
14557 Posts
Member since 02/01/2006 |
Posted - 30/01/2013 : 18:39:12
|
quote: Originally posted by dosada
ne bojim se čovjeka šišmiša, dapače ovdje neki tvrde da on ni ne postoji ;)
Blasfemija     |
“To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all.”? Oscar Wilde |
 |
|
swamp thing
Advanced Member
    
.jpg)
Bosnia and Herzegovina
4078 Posts
Member since 05/08/2009 |
Posted - 30/01/2013 : 20:01:19
|
quote: Originally posted by dosada
ne bojim se čovjeka šišmiša, dapače ovdje neki tvrde da on ni ne postoji ;)
  Poslije ove izjave tvrdim da nismo na dobrom putu da se shvatimo  Elem, na prethodni meni upućen post, opet kažem dosta offtopika, o tim stvarima bih mogao s tobom čitavo veče raspravljati...a ne da mi se  |
 |
|
dosada
Advanced Member
    

Croatia
9033 Posts
Member since 13/05/2009 |
Posted - 30/01/2013 : 20:08:57
|
quote: Originally posted by swamp thing
quote: Originally posted by dosada
ne bojim se čovjeka šišmiša, dapače ovdje neki tvrde da on ni ne postoji ;)
  Poslije ove izjave tvrdim da nismo na dobrom putu da se shvatimo  Elem, na prethodni meni upućen post, opet kažem dosta offtopika, o tim stvarima bih mogao s tobom čitavo veče raspravljati...a ne da mi se 
ma ne bi, brzo bi prekinul raspravu kao i za Kubrika (po Vuku) 
ne, sve sam rekel u onom odgovoru kaj sam imel, tko je shvatil je a tko nije nije....dalje nastavljam po svom kao i dosad! |
razmjena filmova za stripove! http://forum.stripovi.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=45640
|
 |
|
swamp thing
Advanced Member
    
.jpg)
Bosnia and Herzegovina
4078 Posts
Member since 05/08/2009 |
Posted - 30/01/2013 : 21:26:01
|
quote: Originally posted by dosada
quote: Originally posted by swamp thing
quote: Originally posted by dosada
ne bojim se čovjeka šišmiša, dapače ovdje neki tvrde da on ni ne postoji ;)
  Poslije ove izjave tvrdim da nismo na dobrom putu da se shvatimo  Elem, na prethodni meni upućen post, opet kažem dosta offtopika, o tim stvarima bih mogao s tobom čitavo veče raspravljati...a ne da mi se 
ma ne bi, brzo bi prekinul raspravu kao i za Kubrika (po Vuku) 
ne, sve sam rekel u onom odgovoru kaj sam imel, tko je shvatil je a tko nije nije....dalje nastavljam po svom kao i dosad!
Da, da, k'o i ti o Perl Harburu  Usput, ja sam tebi po pitanju Fear and Desire odgovorio, druga je stvar što ti nisi skontao i zvao me lažljivcem  |
 |
|
Darth Ivan
Advanced Member
    

Croatia
7978 Posts
Member since 21/03/2010 |
Posted - 30/01/2013 : 23:27:04
|
trenutačni poredak:
1. Batman (1989.) 2. The Dark Knight (2008.) 3. Batman Returns (1992.) 4. Batman Begins (2005.) 5. The Dark Knight Rises (2012.)
edit: zanimljivo je kako za Martinsonov i one Schumacherove još nitko nije glasao    |
"Nothing lasts forever." |
Edited by - Darth Ivan on 30/01/2013 23:28:01 |
 |
|
Mali_Mate
stripovi.com suradnik
   

Croatia
2065 Posts
Member since 18/03/2006 |
Posted - 30/01/2013 : 23:30:58
|
quote: Originally posted by Darth Ivan
trenutačni poredak:
1. Batman (1989.) 2. The Dark Knight (2008.) 3. Batman Returns (1992.) 4. Batman Begins (2005.) 5. The Dark Knight Rises (2012.)
edit: zanimljivo je kako za Martinsonov i one Schumacherove još nitko nije glasao   
a čisto da dolijem ulje na vatru - Burton:Nolan 29:29  |
http://matanovogumno.blogspot.com |
 |
|
D.J.
stripovi.com suradnik
    

USA
7143 Posts
Member since 21/07/2002 |
Posted - 31/01/2013 : 07:15:31
|
quote: Originally posted by Johnny Difool
U ovih 22-23 godine prvog Burtonovog Batmana sam gledao tko zna koliko puta, i nikad mi nije bio ni mrvicu dosadan ni nezanimljiv, iako već odavno svaki kadar znam napamet. Otprilike isto vrijedi i za drugi, ali prvom ipak dajem prednost.
Čak i nedavno kad je oko nove godine jedinica bila na telki, i opet joj nisam odolio.
Nolanov Vitez tame već na drugo gledanje dosta pada, a sa svakim novim stvar biva sve gora. O prvom da ni ne govorim, s traljavo režiranom akcijom i šupljom mistifikacijom lika i čitave priče. Treći sam zasad gledao samo jednom, ali kako mi je već slabiji od dvojke, ni tu neće biti ništa bolje.
Kao što rekoh, prvi Burtonov Batman mi je doslovce oživljeni strip, ali na način da je i punokrvni film, odnosno da od obje umjetnosti uzima ono najbolje, i to isprepleće savršeno, maštovito, camp-pomaknuto, crnohumorno, ironijski, s izvrsno pogođenim i impresivnim stilizacijama.
Nolan želi biti težak, ozbiljan, tragičan, pa čak i angažiran, ali se uvijek gubi u doslovnostima i trivijali.
   |
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/epicentercomics/three-new-zagor-graphic-novels |
 |
|
Topic  |
|