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Posted - 10/07/2013 : 21:39:33
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Di ste ekipa, ima li ode strastvenih ljubitelja serije koji su up-to-date sa 5. sezonom i listom od 7 sumnjivaca za Red Johna?

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Edited by - vice on 10/07/2013 21:40:19
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emirem
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Posted - 10/07/2013 : 22:15:32
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Uuuu,jos pitas! Gledali sve u 16! Pa ceka se slijedeca sezona sa iscekivanjem .... Zadnja sezona je bas zamreskala povrsinu sa mogucim sumnjivcima pocevsi sa Kirklandom i LaRocheom ali ali ali pricekajmo...po meni malo razvukli, ubace desetak epizoda izmedju sa slucajevima nebitne za slucaj red Johna i onda ubace napetije epizode...sad gledam 4-tu "breaking bad" i vjerujem da se necu tako lako navuci na neku seriju. A gledam.. Two and half man Big Bang Theory Modern familiy Mentalist Everybody loves Raymond King of Queens Northern exposure(davno odgledao ali uvijek dobra) :-) |
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Johnny Difool
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Posted - 10/07/2013 : 23:20:33
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Gledam Mentalista, i peta mi je sezona bila najslabija dosad. Previše "nevažnih" priča, a premalo razvoja zapleta oko Red Johna. Imam dojam da sad samo rastežu do otkrivanja njegovog identiteta, i da bi šesta sezona u tom smislu mogla biti još slabija. Bojim se da kad Red John bude otkriven i eliminiran, da će serija izgubiti smisao. Što se samog identiteta tiče, po popularnosti glumaca mogao bi biti "guru" Bret Stiles tj. Malcolm McDowell. J.J. LaRoche mi je simpatičan, kao i glumac Pruitt Taylor Vince, a i Jane ga kao ima u šaci sa sadržajem one posude. Onaj podlac Robert Kirkland je mislim vrlo blizak Johnov suradnik, ali ne i sam John. A tu je i njihov šef Gale Bertram, naoko vrlo simpatičan tip koji Lisbon uvodi u društvo pokeraša, ali koji bi mogao biti John. Ne znam, bojim se da se sve skupa već toliko rasteže da će mi na kraju biti svejedno tko je Red John. Sve je zapravo trebalo završiti s onom dvodijelnom pričom na kraju 3. sezone, kad je Jane kao ubio Red Johna. Ali gledat ću i dalje, svakako. |
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Leonid
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Posted - 11/07/2013 : 19:53:09
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Također sam se "navukao" na Mentalista. Odgledao sve epizode i pročitao dosta raznih teorija o mogućem identitetu slavnog Johna. U zadnjoj epizodi smo dobili jel 7 definitivnih sumnjivaca....neki kažu da je to opet "mindfucking" Brune Hellera ali u jednom intervju je naglasio kako nema zavaravanja i da se među tih 7 nalazi i Red John.
Gale Bertram,Bret Stiles,Ray Haffner,Bob Kirkland,Brett Partridge,Šerif Thomas McAllister i Reede Smith. Osobno sam u nekim pokušajima eliminacije izbacio Stilesa(nije sociopat,on se bavi drugačijim stvarima),Kirklanda(on ili je suradnik Red Johna ili ga lovi za svoj račun) te Bretta Partridgea(lik je čudak ali Red John je netko suptilniji i sličniji PJ-u). Ni ovi Smith iz FBI-a mi nije sumnjiv...debeljuco,nema stila.
Ostala su mi trojica najizglednijih....Bertram zbog recitiranja pjesme,nalazi se u vrhu društva,ima pristup svim dosjeima i istragama. Haffner jer je član Vizualizacije,na trenutke djeluje jezivo i ima pristup većini istraga...neki kažu da nije on jer Red John ne bi dopustio da ga PJ onako nasamari u epizodi kada PJ i Haffner zajedno rade. Šerif mi je sumnjiv zbog glumca...zašto su doveli poznatog glumca za jednu epizodu??
Možda na kraju ipak bude netko drugi...LaRoche mi nije sumnjiv,njegova figura se ne slaže s onom RJ-a. |
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Posted - 12/07/2013 : 00:33:42
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Leonid, apsolutno se slažen s tobom. Il je Haffner, il MacAllister. Haffnera svi označuju ka red herring jer je preočit, no u ovom trenu svak je preočit. Haffner ima savršene osobine za RJ-a, čak i to igranje glupana i predrvene osobe može bit RJ-eva gluma, jer oponaša nekog suprotnog sebi. Partridge je jendostavno prejadan da bi bija RJ čak i ako je gluma u pitanju, i to bi ija možda najveći klišej ikad - forenzičar ubojica.
Šerif je definitivno sumnjiv jer ga igra jedan od najboljih tv glumaca. Hmm... |
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Johnny Difool
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Posted - 12/07/2013 : 07:58:49
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Ima samo jedan problem: Haffner je premlad za Red Johna. On je Janeovo godište, a u jednoj epizodi smo doznali da je jedno ubojstvo s crvenim znakom na hambaru počinjeno odavno, još dok je Jane bio klinac. Možda je RJ počeo ubijati kao 10-12 godišnjak, ali to mi je nekako nategnuto. A postoje mogućnosti da se "titula" ubojice prenosi generacijama, u kom slučaju bi Haffner mogao ući, ili da je ovaj RJ copycat starijeg i originalnog RJ-a. Pa da su recimo dvojica, recimo stariji (možda otac) Bret Stiles i mlađi tj. sin Ray Haffner. |
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Posted - 12/07/2013 : 10:34:43
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Hmm,ne znam je li premlad...u petoj sezoni saznajemo da je RJ bio na farmi vizualizacije...negdje krajem 80ih. Jane saznaje da je "smajlić" na farmi nacrtao neki "klinac" ali taj opis dao je neki starac,Jane tumači da je njemu svatko ispod 30 godina klinac.
Znači RJ je mogao imati 17-20 godina tada a karijeru serijskog ubojice je započeo 1998. zajedno s nekim Tannerom. Osobno smatram da su njih dvojica(RJ i Jane) slične dobi.
@vice,istina jadno bi bilo da je forenzičar ubojica....prevelik je čudak za takvo nešto,RJ je uglađenija osoba,sklonija kontroli. Malo bi ostao razočaran da je riječ o šerifu,nekako sam najviše uvjeren da je Haffner. Ostaje nam sačekati novu sezonu koja započinje 29.rujna.... |
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Posted - 12/07/2013 : 13:33:07
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Tako je, Leonide, Haffner je savršene dobi, jer san i ja mišljenja da je RJ Janeovo godište. Zapravo, kako smo doznali da je na farmi RJ bija mladić, Bret Stiles se nikako ne uklapa u listu sumnjivaca jer je on tad bija već blizu vodstva sekte - greška od strane scenarista? I hoćemo li uopće dobit odgovore na pitanja tipa "He is Mar", šta je Bosco šapnija Janeu na samrti itd? Jer ovo je pomalo iritantno... |
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Leonid
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Posted - 12/07/2013 : 16:41:41
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Meni Bret Stiles djeluje kao lik koji čvrsto stoji na zemlji i ne privlači ga ubijanje.Služi se drugim sredstvima. "He is Mar" ne mogu dokučit,to ćemo otkrit tek kad Heller bude htio :D
Negdje sam čitao teoriju da je lista lažna i PJ-ova zamka za RJ-a. Kirkland je upao u sobu Janea i otkrio sva istraživanja...ako je Kirkland u dosluhu s RJ-om onda se lako da objasniti kraj u kojem ubojica navodno "čita" um PJ-u. Lorelai izgovori imena sedmorice kako bi RJ obznanio da sve prati. Međutim možda je to zamka jer je Jane ostavio nekakav papir na vratim sobe koji je pao nakon što je provaljena....kad se Jane vratio vidio je papir i nasmiješio.To je dosta znakovito. Dakle možda je u sobi ostavio lažnu listu kako bi se RJ osjetio siguran.
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Posted - 12/07/2013 : 19:21:55
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Ako je Jane u sobi namjerno ostavio lažni popis jer je znao da će RJ ili njegov suradnik provaliti, što se i obistinilo, a u sobu je provalio Kirkland, da bi popisi Janea i RJ-a naposljetku bili identični, onda je Kirkland ili RJ ili opet njegov bliski suradnik. A Jane to sad zna, jer ga je metodom još iz prvog Jamesa Bonda (kod njega je na vratima bila dlaka) naveo da se otkrije. Tako Jane sad manipulira RJ-om koji vjeruje da je obratno. Poseban je problem što će i u novoj sezoni od recimo 24 epizode na RJ-a otpasti maksimalno 6. |
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Posted - 12/07/2013 : 20:32:21
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Istina,to i mene nervira. Možda sada povećaju taj broj na 12-14 epizoda jer ovo je možda zadnja sezona. |
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Posted - 12/07/2013 : 23:12:49
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quote: Originally posted by Tonto
PJ je RJ
Samo ako je na cirilici.... Da i od tih 24 epizode samo malo njih se bavi ovim slucajem..razvuceno previse |
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Posted - 13/07/2013 : 01:47:34
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Lenoide i Johnny, samo zaboravljate da je Kirkland provalija u Janeovu sobu NAKON šta je video snimljen, tako da mislin da je to samo jedna navlakuša od strane Hellera da prikaže Kirklanda na prvu ruku krivim. On je vjeorjatno još jedan lovac na RJ-a.
I ako Heller opet laže i lista je lažna, onda je vjerojatno najgori showrunner neke serije uz ekipu s Losta, već se provuka jednom nakon finala 3. sezone, sad se već opasno igra sa svojim kredibilitetom. |
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Posted - 13/07/2013 : 09:17:44
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quote: Originally posted by vice
I ako Heller opet laže i lista je lažna, onda je vjerojatno najgori showrunner neke serije uz ekipu s Losta
Samo je frka da bas tako i ne zavrsi ...izgubljeno... |
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Posted - 13/07/2013 : 09:23:29
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Vrijedna li je ova serija uistinu zasebnog topica? |
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Posted - 13/07/2013 : 09:58:36
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quote: Originally posted by mr murdoc
Vrijedna li je ova serija uistinu zasebnog topica?
Ovaj podforum ima 17 stranica i za većinu TV serija je netko otvorio temu...ne vidim zašto bi ova bila problem. |
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Posted - 13/07/2013 : 10:16:08
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quote: Originally posted by Leonid
quote: Originally posted by mr murdoc
Vrijedna li je ova serija uistinu zasebnog topica?
Ovaj podforum ima 17 stranica i za većinu TV serija je netko otvorio temu...ne vidim zašto bi ova bila problem.
Ne vidim ni ja problem..no pitanje ostaje.? |
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Posted - 13/07/2013 : 10:54:58
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quote: Originally posted by mr murdoc
quote: Originally posted by Leonid
quote: Originally posted by mr murdoc
Vrijedna li je ova serija uistinu zasebnog topica?
Ovaj podforum ima 17 stranica i za većinu TV serija je netko otvorio temu...ne vidim zašto bi ova bila problem.
Ne vidim ni ja problem..no pitanje ostaje.?
Kada ćemo gledati realno vrlo malo serija zaslužuje svoju vlastitu temu....samo GoT i možda još pokoja jer ih prati jako puno ljudi ali kako su već otvorene teme za svakojake serije onda može i Mentalist.
Uvijek se nađe 4-5 ljudi koji će diskutirati. |
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Posted - 13/07/2013 : 17:59:44
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Zašto je problem otvaranje zasebnog topica za određenu seriju? U konačnici, Mentalist ima specifičnu tematiku koja iziskuje raspravu, i bilo bi ružno da se to miješa po topicu koji pokriva općenito sve serije.
A ako se tebi murdoc serija ne sviđa, nitko te ne tjera na čitanje topica, a kamoli ostavljanje ciničnog komentara. U najmanju ruku nepristojno. |
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Posted - 13/07/2013 : 21:50:59
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quote: Originally posted by vice
Zašto je problem otvaranje zasebnog topica za određenu seriju? U konačnici, Mentalist ima specifičnu tematiku koja iziskuje raspravu, i bilo bi ružno da se to miješa po topicu koji pokriva općenito sve serije.
A ako se tebi murdoc serija ne sviđa, nitko te ne tjera na čitanje topica, a kamoli ostavljanje ciničnog komentara. U najmanju ruku nepristojno.
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Posted - 13/07/2013 : 23:35:40
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A svašta, čovik u godinama pa se spusti na ponašanje internetskog trolla. Al ok, štagod te veseli. 
Uglavnom, on topic:
Po riječima Hellera, u 6. sezoni Red John bi trebao biti uhvaćen, što ne znači da će to bit i zadnja sezona. Hmm, često taj čovjek mijenja mišljenje, budući je u početku govorija kako je finale s RJ-om i finale serije. Izgleda da su i do njega doprle žalopojke fanova na besmisleno i bezobrazno razvlačenje lova na primarnog antagonista. |
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Posted - 14/07/2013 : 09:20:31
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Strava mi je serija. Pratim od početka. No, nemam pojma koje je Red John. Ne razbijam glavu s tim, to će ionako Jane otkriti. Nije mi doduše jasno kao je ono Jane već ubio Red Johna. Dok se to događalo i poslije bio je siguran da ubija Red Johna... Taj dio mi baš nije najjasniji. |
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Mislim da mi ovdje možemo nagađati koješta i redati kojekakve teorije, ali da će identitet RJ-a biti iznenađenje. Mislim, da bi sve bilo na nekom nivou to bi tako jednostavno moralo biti. Inače sve skupa ne bi imalo smisla. Pretpostavljam da je Jane složio lažni popis sedam mogućih, kojeg se onda preko pomagača ili osobno domogao RJ pa ga predstavio kao svoj, na što je Jane i računao da ga tako zavede na krivi trag i stekne prednost. Dakle, mislim da RJ nije jedan od ovih 7, nego netko sasvim drugi kome bi se po logici priče u 6. sezoni moralo posvetiti znatno više pažnje. Dakle, kad možda već u 1. ili 2. epizodi ponovo ugledamo neki lik kojeg se nekako mutno sjećamo odranije, pa kad se taj lik nastavi pojavljivati i dobivati sve veći prostor- to bi mogao biti RJ. |
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