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alexts
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 17:24:00
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quote: Originally posted by Oki
@alexts Pročitaj neki put i nešto drugo osim superheroja...ne mora biti Bonelli,pa se možda iznenadiš koliko stripovi mogu biti dobri...
Oki, vlasnik sam 4-5000 stripova - znam sve! |
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brni
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 17:24:56
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quote: Originally posted by alexts
Svašta, jedan Jim Lee ipak nije na nivou Milazza. Ostale ne vredi komentarisati.
Ako hoćemo da pronađemo američkog crtača tog kalibra, onda bi to pre bili Alex Toth ili Kanif.
Stari sorry ali Milazzo je prosjecan crtac prema ovima..nemoj da pocmen stavljat radove jednog Reisa..ono sta on moze stavit na papir to jedan Milazzo ne moze ni zamislit.. |
"Clark Kent je Supermanova kritika covjecanstva" |
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tinton
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United Kingdom
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brni
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 17:27:34
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tinton pusti francuze..ja francuze citam i kupujem, i smatram kako ima fenomenalnih stvari..ovdje je rijec o bonelliu.. |
"Clark Kent je Supermanova kritika covjecanstva" |
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tinton
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 17:27:44
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mislim, šta da ja sad počnem vrijeđat amere jer su realno crtači koje si spomenuo prema ovome smetlari |
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alexts
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Serbia
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 17:28:17
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Juče sam (opet) pročitao prvu (a i nultu) epizodu N. Nevera, ovaj put u trobroju Arkone, a pre par dana Brendona br.2.
Jedan strip je odličan, drugi dobar, pa šta? Ne menja stvari.
Ja sam još pre više od 20 godina rasprodavao ZS i LMS kolekcije. Naravno, ne Dilana, Matrija, Kena. |
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tinton
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 17:28:54
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quote: Originally posted by brni
quote: Originally posted by alexts
Svašta, jedan Jim Lee ipak nije na nivou Milazza. Ostale ne vredi komentarisati.
Ako hoćemo da pronađemo američkog crtača tog kalibra, onda bi to pre bili Alex Toth ili Kanif.
Stari sorry ali Milazzo je prosjecan crtac prema ovima..nemoj da pocmen stavljat radove jednog Reisa..ono sta on moze stavit na papir to jedan Milazzo ne moze ni zamislit..
od trojice koje si spomenuo Reis mi se najmanje svidio pa sam ga izostavio - samo dakažem da je najveća razlika između njih dvojice što je Ivo umjetnik, a Reis ponajviše komercijalista |
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brni
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 17:30:59
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quote: Originally posted by tinton
od trojice koje si spomenuo Reis mi se najmanje svidio pa sam ga izostavio - samo dakažem da je najveća razlika između njih dvojice što je Ivo umjetnik, a Reis ponajviše komercijalista
A obojica crtaju mainstream.. 
Vidis kako si zatucan sa bonellijem..  |
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Edited by - brni on 12/09/2013 17:31:17 |
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tinton
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 17:34:19
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quote: Originally posted by brni
quote: Originally posted by tinton
od trojice koje si spomenuo Reis mi se najmanje svidio pa sam ga izostavio - samo dakažem da je najveća razlika između njih dvojice što je Ivo umjetnik, a Reis ponajviše komercijalista
A obojica crtaju mainstream.. 
Vidis kako si zatucan sa bonellijem.. 
nisam sigiran, jer sam svijestan da je francuski strip bolji, ai draži mi je - ja ne govorim da je bonelli bolji nego da su podjednaki
no možda sam ja na netu našo krivog Reisa? |
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brni
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 17:35:21
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quote: Originally posted by tinton
quote: Originally posted by brni
quote: Originally posted by tinton
od trojice koje si spomenuo Reis mi se najmanje svidio pa sam ga izostavio - samo dakažem da je najveća razlika između njih dvojice što je Ivo umjetnik, a Reis ponajviše komercijalista
A obojica crtaju mainstream.. 
Vidis kako si zatucan sa bonellijem.. 
nisam sigiran, jer sam svijestan da je francuski strip bolji, ai draži mi je - ja ne govorim da je bonelli bolji nego da su podjednaki
no možda sam ja na netu našo krivog Reisa?
Pa i meni je francuski strip bolji, jeli ti citas uopce moje postove napisa sam ti sta sve cita..
Ivan Reis.. |
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tinton
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alexts
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Serbia
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 17:36:55
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quote: Originally posted by brni
quote: Originally posted by alexts
Svašta, jedan Jim Lee ipak nije na nivou Milazza. Ostale ne vredi komentarisati.
Ako hoćemo da pronađemo američkog crtača tog kalibra, onda bi to pre bili Alex Toth ili Kanif.
Stari sorry ali Milazzo je prosjecan crtac prema ovima..nemoj da pocmen stavljat radove jednog Reisa..ono sta on moze stavit na papir to jedan Milazzo ne moze ni zamislit..
Brni, totalno grešiš, ja možda nisam profesor crtanja kao AlBa, ali znam vrlo dobro da Milacov crtež oni sa slabijom likovnom naobrazbom (ličnom, opštom - ne formalnom)ne kapiraju, jer se radi o stilizovanom, često uprošćenom crtežu i treba malo zrelosti i analitičke sposobnosti (ili naviknutosti, kojom se stiču) da se shvati njegova genijalnost.
Crtači koje ti pominješ su detaljisti, oni koji na ruci ili nozi čoveka stave milion linija da bi iscrtali mišiće - dok bi Milaco načinio jedan potez. Oni su sušta suprotnost.
Ali kad bi velika većina američkih crtača videla i čitala Milacove radove znali bi o koliko dobrom crtaču je reč. Njima, čak i kad bi ovladali takvom veštinom, ne bi bilo dozvoljeno u USA da crtaju takvim stilom.
Jer brojnim malim američkim brnijima se to ne bi dopalo, jer nisu naviknuti na tako nešto.
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tinton
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 17:37:50
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quote: Originally posted by brni
quote: Originally posted by tinton
quote: Originally posted by brni
quote: Originally posted by tinton
od trojice koje si spomenuo Reis mi se najmanje svidio pa sam ga izostavio - samo dakažem da je najveća razlika između njih dvojice što je Ivo umjetnik, a Reis ponajviše komercijalista
A obojica crtaju mainstream.. 
Vidis kako si zatucan sa bonellijem.. 
nisam sigiran, jer sam svijestan da je francuski strip bolji, ai draži mi je - ja ne govorim da je bonelli bolji nego da su podjednaki
no možda sam ja na netu našo krivog Reisa?
Pa i meni je francuski strip bolji, jeli ti citas uopce moje postove napisa sam ti sta sve cita..
Ivan Reis..
naravno da ne čitam 
šala mala
ivana reisa sma našo i crta superheroje - meni ništa specijalno u odnosu na Milazza |
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brni
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 17:39:39
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quote: Originally posted by tinton
naravno da ne čitam 
Pa vidim da ne citas s obzirom da stavljas crteze stripova koje iman u kolekciji.. |
"Clark Kent je Supermanova kritika covjecanstva" |
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tinton
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 17:41:03
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quote: Originally posted by brni
quote: Originally posted by tinton
naravno da ne čitam 
Pa vidim da ne citas s obzirom da stavljas crteze stripova koje iman u kolekciji..
ne čitaš ni ti napiso sam da je šala stavljam crteže ponajboljih crtača iz pojedinih škola |
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brni
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 17:42:12
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quote: Originally posted by alexts
Brni, totalno grešiš, ja možda nisam profesor crtanja kao AlBa, ali znam vrlo dobro da Milacov crtež oni sa slabijom likovnom naobrazbom (ličnom, opštom - ne formalnom)ne kapiraju, jer se radi o stilizovanom, često uprošćenom crtežu i treba malo zrelosti i analitičke sposobnosti (ili naviknutosti, kojom se stiču) da se shvati njegova genijalnost.
Crtači koje ti pominješ su detaljisti, oni koji na ruci ili nozi čoveka stave milion linija da bi iscrtali mišiće - dok bi Milaco načinio jedan potez. Oni su sušta suprotnost.
Ali kad bi velika većina američkih crtača videla i čitala Milacove radove znali bi o koliko dobrom crtaču je reč. Njima, čak i kad bi ovladali takvom veštinom, ne bi bilo dozvoljeno u USA da crtaju takvim stilom.
Pa ja vjerujem da svi znaju za Milazza i to je jedan stvarno priznati umjetnik..ali reci da je bolji od ovih spomenutih mi je glupo..oni crtaju superherojstinu i tako se ona crta ali budi siguran da oni vladaju svim vjestinama.. |
"Clark Kent je Supermanova kritika covjecanstva" |
Edited by - brni on 12/09/2013 17:42:43 |
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tinton
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brni
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alexts
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Serbia
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 17:53:02
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quote: Originally posted by brni
quote: Originally posted by alexts
Brni, totalno grešiš, ja možda nisam profesor crtanja kao AlBa, ali znam vrlo dobro da Milacov crtež oni sa slabijom likovnom naobrazbom (ličnom, opštom - ne formalnom)ne kapiraju, jer se radi o stilizovanom, često uprošćenom crtežu i treba malo zrelosti i analitičke sposobnosti (ili naviknutosti, kojom se stiču) da se shvati njegova genijalnost.
Crtači koje ti pominješ su detaljisti, oni koji na ruci ili nozi čoveka stave milion linija da bi iscrtali mišiće - dok bi Milaco načinio jedan potez. Oni su sušta suprotnost.
Ali kad bi velika većina američkih crtača videla i čitala Milacove radove znali bi o koliko dobrom crtaču je reč. Njima, čak i kad bi ovladali takvom veštinom, ne bi bilo dozvoljeno u USA da crtaju takvim stilom.
Pa ja vjerujem da svi znaju za Milazza i to je jedan stvarno priznati umjetnik..ali reci da je bolji od ovih spomenutih mi je glupo..oni crtaju superherojstinu i tako se ona crta ali budi siguran da oni vladaju svim vjestinama..
To već liči na nešto, da se kaže da oni crtaju prema zahtevima svog žanra i tržišta.
Pogledaj savršen odnos crno belih površina kod Milaca, tu igru svetla i senke u zamračenoj kolibi.
Pa pogledaj zbrku crno belih površina - kod Reisa, crnu boju svuda jednako raspoređenu (a haotično) i čisto mehaničko-zanatsko senčenje.

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Elderane84
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 17:56:39
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A bas ste domuzi neki. Kad cete vise nauciti da uzivate u svemu sto vam se svidja u stripu, bez da bjesomucno pljujete omrazenu vam stranu, o kojoj cesto blage veze nemate. Ja se stripu vratih 2008-e, sa Veselim Cetvrtkom i pojavom prvog kiosk Zagora poslije dosta vremena. Medjutim, kad god iskoci prilika, edukujem se drugim skolama, pa sam ostao razjapljene vilice kad sam procitao Hulk:Kraj i Ubistveni vic, npr. Konan je lektira, a Darkvudovi Francuzi od 400 dinara melem za svakog ljubitelja stripa. Danas postavljam samo pitanje hocu li imati novca za zeljeno izdanje, i da li je tematika stripa nesto sto mene zanima, a da li je taj strip nastao u americi, Italiji, Francuskoj, Srbiji..., za to nema problema, potpuno mi je svejedno. I slazem se sa Alexom da bi dobar kiosk izdavac poput VC-a, izgurao Betmena bez problema, pod uslovom da je uopste moguce dobiti prava pod nekim normalnim uslovima. Samo, problem je sta od Betmena, jer Boneli ima jasan kontinuitet dok DC i Marvel zaista imaju zapetljanu situaciju, za sve pocetnike. |
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tinton
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tinton
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tinton
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 18:10:06
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i sad kad pogledamo sve djednom - pa crtački su stvarno sve škole podjednake |
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Poli
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 19:18:46
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quote: Originally posted by alexts
Brni, totalno grešiš, ja možda nisam profesor crtanja kao AlBa, ali znam vrlo dobro da Milacov crtež oni sa slabijom likovnom naobrazbom (ličnom, opštom - ne formalnom)ne kapiraju, jer se radi o stilizovanom, često uprošćenom crtežu i treba malo zrelosti i analitičke sposobnosti (ili naviknutosti, kojom se stiču) da se shvati njegova genijalnost.
Crtači koje ti pominješ su detaljisti, oni koji na ruci ili nozi čoveka stave milion linija da bi iscrtali mišiće - dok bi Milaco načinio jedan potez. Oni su sušta suprotnost.
Ali kad bi velika većina američkih crtača videla i čitala Milacove radove znali bi o koliko dobrom crtaču je reč. Njima, čak i kad bi ovladali takvom veštinom, ne bi bilo dozvoljeno u USA da crtaju takvim stilom.
Jer brojnim malim američkim brnijima se to ne bi dopalo, jer nisu naviknuti na tako nešto.

Sto se mene tice, hebe mi se za milijun crtica za jedan misic, ali za crtati poput Milazza treba nesto vise. To je za mene prava umjetnost. Sa dusom. I emocijama. Ajde, kasnije je to krenulo nadole ali zato nejgovo zlatno doba... 
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brni
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Posted - 12/09/2013 : 19:24:41
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Pa ne crtaju svi americki crtaci na isti nacin..brojni stripovi su crtani posve drugacije..pogledajte recimo kako crta jedan Sale ili Capullo..ili jedan Mahnke koji gaji opet jedan svoj stil.. |
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