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DODSFERD
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Just_Charlie
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Zlotvor
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lwood
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Colombia
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DODSFERD
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Pitcairn Island
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Johnny Difool
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Croatia
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Posted - 15/03/2015 : 16:37:20
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Nije to smiješno nego tužno, da ne kažem tragično. Baš kao što je humor u Alanu crni.
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Ja necu imati s kim ostati mlad ako svi ostarite, i ta ce mi mladost teško pasti... |
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VALTER
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Croatia
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lwood
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Colombia
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Posted - 15/03/2015 : 20:34:51
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quote: Originally posted by Johnny Difool
Nije to smiješno nego tužno, da ne kažem tragično. Baš kao što je humor u Alanu crni.
ma naravno da je tragično,al jebga prvo mi pala ona scena iz AF-a napamet.   |
narocito na one koji su uspješni. |
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lwood
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Colombia
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lwood
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Colombia
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Just_Charlie
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Posted - 15/03/2015 : 22:38:24
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Obožavam ovakve knjige.
Rijeka je grad skrivene, izuzetno kompleksne povijesti koja još i danas intrigira istraživače, a svako novo otkriće umetak je što je nedostajao u puzzleu koji tvori poprilično shizofreno tkivo onoga što bismo mogli nazvati riječkim identitetom.
Prošli tjedan objavljena knjiga riječke povjesničarke umjetnosti Julije Lozzi Barković “Međuratna arhitektura Rijeke i Sušaka” (izdavač: Adamić), plod dvogodišnjeg rada i rezultat dva desetljeća istraživanja, na svojih 460 bogato ilustriranih stranica odlazi korak dalje .. .. te razbija neke od predrasuda o toj povijesnoj epizodi koja, nakon što je očistimo od ideoloških primjesa, također zaslužuje svoju povijesno-umjetničku revalorizaciju.
Gradnju nebodera na Korzu financirao je Caponeov računovođa Marco de Albori novcem od šverca alkohola i kocke, a Mussolini je osobno donirao zvono crkvi na Kozali
http://www.jutarnji.hr/al-capone-i-benito-mussolini-gradili-su-centar-rijeke/1314021/
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~ Prvo suputnik onda put ~
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ken2
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Croatia
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DODSFERD
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Pitcairn Island
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VALTER
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ken2
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Croatia
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Posted - 16/03/2015 : 10:30:46
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ivančićev tekst je vrlo nekorektan i napisan je odmah nakon te izjave, dakle prije lustigove isprike a u tekstu je lustiga predstavio kao velikog štovatelja franje tuđmana, njegovog promotora u svijetu i inventar na pantovčaku, što jednostavno nije istina sažeo je par izjava iz perioda od 20 godina i iskonstruirao svašta isto tako, o lustigu se može pisati i na drugi i treći način, naprimjer može se opisati njegov 'kninski slučaj' ja sam tog čovjeka slušao u živo, prošle godine, nakon projekcije filma 'past će noć' i za mene je on veliki čovjek, koji ne zaslužuje gaženje naravno da mu nije trebalo ulagivanje tuđmanu, i da mu nije trebala (ovakva) obrana bandića ali za razliku od tuđmana, bandić mu je pomogao oko festivala, išao je s njim u auschwitz, razvili su prisan odnos... tako da je bilo za očekivati da stane uz njega kad zbrojiš sve to, dodaš visoku dob, bolest... onda daš čovjeku popusta, kao što je većina i dala: javno su odšutjeli, a privatno su ga upozorili na neprimjerenost izjava a ivančić je odmah uletio u klizeći i to ne na loptu
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if you tolerate this, then your children will be next |
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Amos
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Croatia
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Posted - 16/03/2015 : 10:54:13
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http://narod.hr/hrvatska/hoce-li-hrvatska-uvesti-doplatak-za-svu-djecu-kakvo-je-stanje-u-drugim-europskim-drzavama/
Doplatak u Hrvatskoj još uvijek nije sredstvo pronatalitetne politike jer je diskriminatoran i ograničen obiteljskim primanjima. Najsmješnije mi je ovo da se sada kod nas za treće i četvrto dijete dobiva tzv. "natalitetni dodatak" od 500 kuna po djetetu, a pazi sada, za peto i svako daljnje dijete takve naknade NEMA! Zakonodavac očigledno smatra da nijednom "normalnom" Hrvatu ne pada na pamet praviti više od četvero djece, pa stoga nije niti predvidio mogućnost potpore i za takve slučajeve.
Europljani to bolje uređuju. Već zbog činjenice da netko ima djecu, ostvaruje se pravo na neku naknadu. Što je država pametnija, naknada je veća. Nadam se da će i kod nas zaživjeti takva praksa. |
Uža san gledati Inspektora Rexa, ali odusta san kad su prominili pasa. |
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lwood
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Colombia
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izivko
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Posted - 16/03/2015 : 14:53:22
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quote: Originally posted by lwood
ne vidin uopče smisla uspoređivat Hr sa Njemačkom,Austrijom itd 
Upravo tako. Hrvatsku nema smisla uopće porediti s nekom zemljom |
Have mercy |
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tinton
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Posted - 16/03/2015 : 15:40:55
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quote: Originally posted by ken2
ivančićev tekst je vrlo nekorektan i napisan je odmah nakon te izjave, dakle prije lustigove isprike a u tekstu je lustiga predstavio kao velikog štovatelja franje tuđmana, njegovog promotora u svijetu i inventar na pantovčaku, što jednostavno nije istina sažeo je par izjava iz perioda od 20 godina i iskonstruirao svašta isto tako, o lustigu se može pisati i na drugi i treći način, naprimjer može se opisati njegov 'kninski slučaj' ja sam tog čovjeka slušao u živo, prošle godine, nakon projekcije filma 'past će noć' i za mene je on veliki čovjek, koji ne zaslužuje gaženje naravno da mu nije trebalo ulagivanje tuđmanu, i da mu nije trebala (ovakva) obrana bandića ali za razliku od tuđmana, bandić mu je pomogao oko festivala, išao je s njim u auschwitz, razvili su prisan odnos... tako da je bilo za očekivati da stane uz njega kad zbrojiš sve to, dodaš visoku dob, bolest... onda daš čovjeku popusta, kao što je većina i dala: javno su odšutjeli, a privatno su ga upozorili na neprimjerenost izjava a ivančić je odmah uletio u klizeći i to ne na loptu
Ivančić jest oštar kad god piše članke koji nisu satirični. Ja sam pročitao ovaj članak na Peščaniku. Jest da bi malo više takta dobro došlo u tekstu, ali sveukupno tekst ima poantu. Bandića niti ne spominje (možda u naznakama, nisam zapamtio cijeli tekst), a ni Lustiga ne napada toliko koliko se obračunava s licemjerjem. Lustigu je rekao nešto o Tuđmanu što je svakako potrebno kritizirati. S više takta s obzirom na Lustigove godine, ali svakako kritizirati. |
Dajte nam Banija Libre;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)!
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lwood
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Colombia
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Posted - 16/03/2015 : 15:42:17
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quote: Originally posted by izivko
quote: Originally posted by lwood
ne vidin uopče smisla uspoređivat Hr sa Njemačkom,Austrijom itd 
Upravo tako. Hrvatsku nema smisla uopće porediti s nekom zemljom
pa sa Austrijon i švabijon i nema nekog smisla uspoređivat ove kategorije.
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narocito na one koji su uspješni. |
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Risar_69
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Slovenia
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Johnny Difool
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Croatia
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Posted - 17/03/2015 : 00:14:02
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Kako god okreneš, i koliko god alibija navodio za Lustiga (visoke godine, bolest...), usporediti nečije uhićenje, bilo čije a u ovom slučaju Bandićevo, s holokaustom je krajnje suludo, morbidno pa i neljudski.
Stvar je u tome što je Lustig karijeru (i producentsku) jednim dijelom izgradio na eksploataciji teme holokausta - o kojoj se upravo iz razloga "da se ne ponovi" i treba često govoriti i držati predavanja mladima, kao onaj pokušaj u Kninu - ali se na kraju, zadnjih 10-ak godina otkad organizira Jewish Film Festival, slizao s Bandićem i postao neobjektivan.
Napokon, bojim se da on nije ni sposoban govoriti o bilo čemu, a da se ne dotakne holokausta, jer je to jednostavno gotovo jedina kategorija u kojoj razmišlja. Pretpostavljam da bi i poskupljenja cijena struje i povrća na tržnici nekako povezao s holokaustom.
Ladislav Tomičić je u Novom listu to odlično prokomentirao:
http://www.novilist.hr/Komentari/Kolumne/Ladovina-Ladislava-Tomicica/Branko-Lustig-isproducirao-svoju-sramotu
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Ja necu imati s kim ostati mlad ako svi ostarite, i ta ce mi mladost teško pasti... |
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Johnny Difool
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wolf
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wolf
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Posted - 17/03/2015 : 00:33:43
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quote: Originally posted by Johnny Difool
Kako god okreneš, i koliko god alibija navodio za Lustiga (visoke godine, bolest...), usporediti nečije uhićenje, bilo čije a u ovom slučaju Bandićevo, s holokaustom je krajnje suludo, morbidno pa i neljudski.
Stvar je u tome što je Lustig karijeru (i producentsku) jednim dijelom izgradio na eksploataciji teme holokausta - o kojoj se upravo iz razloga "da se ne ponovi" i treba često govoriti i držati predavanja mladima, kao onaj pokušaj u Kninu - ali se na kraju, zadnjih 10-ak godina otkad organizira Jewish Film Festival, slizao s Bandićem i postao neobjektivan.
Napokon, bojim se da on nije ni sposoban govoriti o bilo čemu, a da se ne dotakne holokausta, jer je to jednostavno gotovo jedina kategorija u kojoj razmišlja. Pretpostavljam da bi i poskupljenja cijena struje i povrća na tržnici nekako povezao s holokaustom.
Ladislav Tomičić je u Novom listu to odlično prokomentirao:
http://www.novilist.hr/Komentari/Kolumne/Ladovina-Ladislava-Tomicica/Branko-Lustig-isproducirao-svoju-sramotu
Meni je isto malo neprihvatljivo to uspoređivanje, ali isto tako neprihvatljiva su i dvostruka mjerila oko Lustiga. Ne može biti čas objektivan čas ne, ovisno o trenutnim potrebama. No nemoguće je ulaziti u daljnju raspravu a da se to ne dotiče domaće politike, pa bi bilo korektno uopće ovo i ne spominjati niti dalje komentirati. |
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