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Willer
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 Posted - 16/09/2015 : 14:25:14
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Originally posted by dsormaz1
Odlično si predočio složene odnose koji vladaju među akterima bliskoistočnih zbivanja.
To i ja stalno govorim. Te stvari se ne mogu crno-bijelo promatrati, kao što to rade forumski rusofili i ljudi opsjednuti s teorijama zavjere. Njima to uopće nije jasno, pitanje je hoće li im ikada biti.
Stvar je u tome da je pojednostavljenjem neke životne situacije, ljudima puno lakše, jer svaki uvid u njenu složenost "kvari" sliku o vrijednosti vlastitog stava i svjetonazora, time i osobnog identiteta pojedinca i tako dalje.
Mislim da se to odnosi na ama baš sve situacije u životu.
EDIT: I teško da je itko od nas 7 milijardi posve imun od toga. |
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Posted - 16/09/2015 : 15:50:27
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Originally posted by Willer
@VALTER i KRAS
Meni samo nije jasno zbog čega, pored takve situacije na terenu i izvan njega na BI, treba ići u krajnje teorije zavjere, prema kojima Obama, Netanyahu, Erdogan i Saud family, međusobno dakako potpuno integriranih umova, vuku isilovce po terenu kao lutke na koncu.
Takvo nešto samo hrani bajku o "dobroj Rusiji" čija vanjska politika bome nije puno manje imperijalna od američke i koja također, unajmanje okupacijom iračkih naftnih polja, nosi svoj nemali dio odgovornosti za tamošnji užas.
Tko uopće govori na taj način? Kakvo povlačenje lutaka na koncu? Isilovci su korisni idioti, što ne znači da nemaju autonomnu volju.
Treba jasno reći da za postanak ISIL-a i uopće za teškiu situaciju na Bliskom istoku krivnju u prvom redu snosi Amerika, odnosno njezine predšasnice Britanija i Francuska.
Bilo kakvo 'izjednačavanje krivnje' koje bi se protezalo i na Rusiju je u najmanju ruku nečasno.
A Rusija u Siriji obavlja častan posao, neovisno o njezinim unutarnjim motivima. |
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Willer
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Posted - 16/09/2015 : 16:11:54
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| Raspodjela odgovornosti nije izjednačavanje krivnje. Vidjeti samo glavnog krivca, a ne vidjeti ostale, i svejedno nemale razine odgovornosti, jest u najmanju ruku... neozbiljno. I pomalo podsjeća na naše ratove, i u kontekstu njih često korištenu optužujuću sintagmu "izjednačavanja krivnje". |
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Posted - 16/09/2015 : 16:15:20
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Posted - 16/09/2015 : 17:32:25
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Originally posted by Willer
@VALTER i KRAS
Meni samo nije jasno zbog čega, pored takve situacije na terenu i izvan njega na BI, treba ići u krajnje teorije zavjere, prema kojima Obama, Netanyahu, Erdogan i Saud family, međusobno dakako potpuno integriranih umova, vuku isilovce po terenu kao lutke na koncu.
Takvo nešto samo hrani bajku o "dobroj Rusiji" čija vanjska politika bome nije puno manje imperijalna od američke i koja također, unajmanje okupacijom iračkih naftnih polja, nosi svoj nemali dio odgovornosti za tamošnji užas.
Tko uopće govori na taj način? Kakvo povlačenje lutaka na koncu?
A što se ovoga tiče, ako je ispalo/izgledalo tako da pod tim mislim na tebe i KRASA, u tom se slučaju ispričavam.
Mislim općenito na teorije urote koje kolaju internetom na ovu temu. Mene osobno još niti jedna nije ni u što uvjerila, tim više što se uglavnom naprvu uoči selekcija činjenicama ili manipulacija istima. |
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Posted - 16/09/2015 : 18:21:06
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Originally posted by VALTER
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Originally posted by Willer
@VALTER i KRAS
Meni samo nije jasno zbog čega, pored takve situacije na terenu i izvan njega na BI, treba ići u krajnje teorije zavjere, prema kojima Obama, Netanyahu, Erdogan i Saud family, međusobno dakako potpuno integriranih umova, vuku isilovce po terenu kao lutke na koncu.
Takvo nešto samo hrani bajku o "dobroj Rusiji" čija vanjska politika bome nije puno manje imperijalna od američke i koja također, unajmanje okupacijom iračkih naftnih polja, nosi svoj nemali dio odgovornosti za tamošnji užas.
Tko uopće govori na taj način? Kakvo povlačenje lutaka na koncu?
A što se ovoga tiče, ako je ispalo/izgledalo tako da pod tim mislim na tebe i KRASA, u tom se slučaju ispričavam.
Mislim općenito na teorije urote koje kolaju internetom na ovu temu. Mene osobno još niti jedna nije ni u što uvjerila, tim više što se uglavnom naprvu uoči selekcija činjenicama ili manipulacija istima.
Kakve teorije pobogu..imas li oci? Pa sta vidis ?
Vidis li isto sto i ja...alahovu marvu koja u stampedu nadire u evropu...i sta amerika i njeni saudijski pedofili cine da zaustave islamiste? |
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Willer
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Posted - 16/09/2015 : 20:43:50
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Kakve teorije pobogu..imas li oci? Pa sta vidis ?
Vidis li isto sto i ja...alahovu marvu koja u stampedu nadire u evropu...i sta amerika i njeni saudijski pedofili cine da zaustave islamiste?
"Marva koja nadire..."? Ako se dobro sjećam ti si se nedavno posuo pepelom baš zbog prihvaćanja takve percepcije izbjeglica. Šta ti je sad opet?
A što se tiče Rusije i njene uloge u Siriji, u barem 3-4 posta pozitivno sam ocijenio kako njenu vojnu ulogu tako recentne prijedloge za okončanje sukoba. Bez obzira na sve što se (još!) nalazi iza svega toga, nije mi palo na pamet takvo što omalovažiti samo po sebi, ili mu umanjiti/relativizirati pozitivne vrijednosti. Da ne spominjem koliko sam ovdje pisao o odgovornosti imperijalističke politike mistificiranog Zapada, dakle prije svih SAD-a, za imperijalnu politiku, glad, mržnju, ratove i izbjegličke kolone.
Stvarno se i iskreno nadam da ovdje nije poželjno iznositi samo tu jednu stranu medalje, gajiti iluziju crno-bijelog svijeta, i po mogućnosti je redovito popratiti sa "Živio Vladimir!" ili nekom sličnom parolom oduševljenja za nositelja samo još jedne imperijalno-kapitalističe (a bome i dobroj mjeri fašistoidne) politike, umotane u ponešto drukčiji celofan ili toga celofana pak oslobođene. |
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Posted - 16/09/2015 : 20:47:21
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Nisam se ja nicim posuo...ja jednostavno uzivam u mrznji koju civilizirani evropljani pogotovo moji slovenci ispoljavaju do pustinjara...maske su pale.i tAd sam rekao da necu dozvoliti da me ovo nacisticko besnilo zahvati..pa jebote mislim da ni svaba dvajesdevete nije toliko mrznje ispoljavao prema židovima...nacizam koji nikad do kraja nije ugasen poceo je da tinja.gorucka pomalo.plamti...i pitanje je vremena kad ce se plamicak mrznje razbesneti u požar...čeka se još novi hitler a mi svog staljina več imamo..
ali da se radi o invaziji negromata svakome je jasno |
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Willer
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Posted - 16/09/2015 : 21:36:13
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Ali wileru..kako ne shvacas..vladimir je nas.samim tim bolji je od obame makar bio i gori..slava rusiji
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Posted - 17/09/2015 : 13:50:59
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http://dailysignal.com/2015/09/14/its-a-war-a-look-at-how-the-us-and-its-allies-are-fighting-isis/
“I’m doing stuff here that I never thought I’d get to do,” one pilot, an Air Force major said. “We’re hunting. And there are very few sorties when you’re not shooting.”
Each pilot flies every one to three days, racking up about 100 combat hours a month. Due to the large airspace they patrol, the sorties are long, sometimes lasting about eight hours. The pilots prepare their bodies to endure the physical demands of long missions in a single-seat attack aircraft with massages and special workout programs.
“We’re like professional athletes at the end of a season,” a pilot said. “We’re fighting a legit war here, and it’s active.”
“This is a war, just based on the magnitude of the people we’re killing.” said Col. Michael Koscheski, commander of the 332nd Air Expeditionary Wing (the iconic “Red Tails” from World War II in which the Tuskegee Airmen flew) in an interview from an undisclosed deployed location.
“We’re killing a lot of them—I mean a lot,” Koscheski added. “The body count is a factor. It’s not the only factor, but it’s a factor. It will be interesting to see if Daesh can maintain its current attrition rate.”
One of the key victories for coalition air power was the battle for Kobani, Syria, in which U.S. warplanes—principally B-1 supersonic bombers—pummeled ISIS fighters with heavy bombing. Unlike other urban centers in the Iraq-Syria battle space, civilians had evacuated Kobani, allowing U.S. warplanes more latitude to inflict heavy damage. The resulting airstrikes were catastrophic for ISIS fighters.
“Air power saved Kobani,” Koscheski said. “But we leveled it to save it. It was annihilated.”
“We killed thousands,” he added. “It was like human fodder.”
ISIS no longer has freedom of movement and has changed its tactics to adapt to the threat of U.S. and coalition air power. Gone are the days of brazen ISIS fighters clad in all black, parading triumphantly through captured villages in Toyota Hiluxes while trailing their signature black flags.
“If they’re doing that now, they’re dying,” Koscheski said. “The Daesh that you see in a lot of news clips doesn’t exist any more. Now they’re cowering and running between buildings.”
There is a humble lethality in the way the A-10 pilots talk about killing. They chuckle and eat ice cream for dessert as they tell stories about panic-stricken ISIS fighters accidentally running toward the distinctive sound of the A-10’s 30-mm Gatling cannons, or of an ISIS fighter who did a swan dive to his death off a cliff while trying to escape an A-10 attack.
“When I saw that, I just radioed: ‘He’s dead,’” one pilot, an Air Force major, dryly explained.
“They say they love death more than we love life,” another pilot, a captain, said. “But they always flee when we attack. I’ve never seen one not try to get away.”
The pilots’ eyes seem to focus on yours a half-beat longer than normal as they matter-of-factly describe strafing an enemy checkpoint, or killing ISIS fighters one by one as they attempt to escape doomed tanks and armored personnel carriers. Sometimes a pilot will lean back in his chair with eyes open wide, slowly shaking his head as he describes the carnage he has inflicted on the enemy. But there is no remorse, not even the hint of it.
“I’ve never had a bad dream or lost one ounce of sleep,” one pilot, an Air Force major, said. “We face an evil enemy, and we fight them honorably.”
The pilots say they enjoy their work, but it is the pleasure of executing a mission with precision and no mistakes. “It’s personal, but in a professional way,” one pilot explained. “We have a job to do. But ISIS is pure evil, and we have no problem killing them.”
And there is no questioning the justice of the war. U.S. pilots and their coalition partners say they are fighting in Iraq and Syria to prevent the “cancer” of ISIS from spreading.
“We see the videos,” an A-10 pilot said, speaking about the videos released online of ISIS militants beheading and immolating prisoners. “And that takes away any hesitation to kill. The only thing that gives me pause is what happens if I have to eject.”
The fate of a downed pilot over ISIS territory is one of the coalition’s greatest concerns. U.S. pilots report the current surface-to-air threat over Iraq and Syria is markedly higher than over Afghanistan. A-10 pilots say AAA (anti-aircraft) fire is prevalent, with tracers sometimes coming close enough to be visible in daytime. And according to Koscheski, there is also a theater-wide threat of MANPADS (Man-Portable Air-Defense Systems, or shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles). No A-10s have yet suffered battle damage, although an Air Force F-16 came back from one mission with bullet holes, Koscheski said.
“There’s a real threat here, unlike in Afghanistan,” an A-10 pilot said. “I’ve had a few close calls. Do we respect the threat? Yes. Are we afraid of it? No.”
At an undisclosed base in the region, U.S. Marine Corps MV-22 tilt rotor aircraft are deployed to support a Marine TRAP (Tactical Recovery of Aircraft and Personnel) unit. The MV-22 crews are on alert 24 hours a day to recover downed pilots and to respond to other crises, including an attack on the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad.
So far the Marine TRAP unit has responded to retrieve downed remotely piloted aircraft (the military’s term for drones) but has not yet had to recover a pilot. “That’s our Super Bowl,” said Marine Capt. Steven Ritter, an MV-22 pilot.
The fate of 26-year-old Jordanian F-16 pilot Lt. Muath al-Kaseasbeh, whom ISIS burned alive and released a video of his execution online, has highlighted the life-or-death stakes for recovering downed U.S. and coalition airmen before they fall into enemy hands.
“It was a game-changer,” Koscheski said, speaking about the immolation video. “In Vietnam and in past wars, captured pilots could expect to be hurt or even tortured. But they weren’t burned alive in a cage. There’s no plan B here. You either save the guy or he goes down swinging.”
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Posted - 18/09/2015 : 09:28:03
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evo ga, uzor svim vahabijima 
http://www.express.hr/drustvo/tajni-seksualni-zivot-drugog-najopasnijeg-clana-al-kaide-2295
a koja je ovo glupost
"IS leader Al-Baghdadi arrives in Al-Shadadi to lead a new campaign in Hasakah countryside"
https://twitter.com/Al_Hasakah_is/status/641788648325836800
Kurdish militants rule out unilateral ceasefire in Turkey
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/17/us-turkey-kurds-pkk-idUSKCN0RH1VN20150917
"A commander of the militant Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) ruled out a unilateral ceasefire on Thursday and accused the Turkish government of pursuing war to gain more votes."
http://www.centcom.mil/en/news/articles/sept.-16-clarification-for-the-record
vec par dana se prica da bi navodno trebalo doci u Siriju 8.000 Peshmerga ... sad, koliko ima istine u tome ...
Turkey-PKK conflict 'escalating fast'
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34286683
400 Turks killed in ranks of jihadists in Syria, Iraq, Turkish official says
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/400-turks-killed-in-ranks-of-jihadists-in-syria-iraq-turkish-official-says.aspx?pageID=238&nID=88652&NewsCatID=352
Iraqi Kurdish, Hama Sour works at his workshop where he repairs weapons for Kurdish Peshmerga fighters
https://twitter.com/DilbarKurd/status/643162921921572864
Int’l anti-ISIS coalition flawed, you can't fight evil with illegal methods – Lavrov
http://www.rt.com/news/315740-lavrov-isis-coalition-flawed/
"BREAKING: According to ISIS sources, Russian MIG-21 has been shot down over Syria. Pilot allegedly killed in attack"
ili je bilo ovo
First images from the downing of a Syria(n) airforce jet by ISIS in Homs, Syria tonight.
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/644645307293241344
Isil jihadist Omar Hussain complains of rude Arabs who steal his shoes and can't queue
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11866536/Isil-jihadist-Omar-Hussain-complains-of-rude-Arabs-who-steal-his-shoes-and-cant-queue.html
ISIS release video titled: 'Warning, The Unwary Migration To Bilad al-Kufr' warning followers not to go to Europe.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPHuWJhWwAAuU4C.jpg
Lone vet returns to Iraq to fight ISIS
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/lone-vet-returns-to-iraq-to-fight-isis-defend-christianity-2/
ISIS OPENS FIRST CENTER FOR THE SALE OF HUMAN ORGANS IN MOSUL
http://www.shiitenews.org/index.php/iraq/item/18468-isis-opens-first-center-for-the-sale-of-human-organs-in-mosul/18468-isis-opens-first-center-for-the-sale-of-human-organs-in-mosul
Analysts: Islamic State is turning into quasi-state, not without foreign assistance
http://tass.ru/en/opinions/821553
Russia-n experts name States that provided financial assistance to IS prior Mosul takeover.
Sirijska vojska bi trebala biti pred Palmyrom ... ponovno ... navodno se zaustavili nekih 2km prije grada zbog pjescane oluje
Location map of recent clashes in Afrin Canton & North Aleppo
http://www.advance.hr/vijesti/policija-u-berlinu-ubila-iracanina-pripadnika-al-qaede-koji-je-napao-policijsku-sluzbenicu-nozem/
i-ha!
http://www.advance.hr/vijesti/sirijski-vojni-izvor-u-razgovoru-za-reuters-poceli-smo-koristiti-novo-rusko-oruzje-iznimno-je-ucinkovito-i-vrlo-je-precizno/
http://www.advance.hr/vijesti/tragedija-u-juznom-sudanu-u-eksploziji-cisterne-s-gorivom-najmanje-85-mrtvih/
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