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swamp thing
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Windwalker
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 Posted - 01/07/2012 : 20:06:27
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Eto, oduševljen napokon pročitanim cjelokupnim Whedonovim runom, zanima me je li Ellis barem približno dobar?
Isplati li se uzeti Ghost Box i Exogenetic, te jel mogu ići bez Xenogenesisa (u kojem mi se crtež toliko gadi da mi oči to ne mogu podnijeti). 
A vidim da i New X-Men ima puno ružnog crteža.  |
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anto
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Serbia
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Posted - 18/09/2015 : 09:07:48
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X-men 1 (esencijal) od Čarobne knjige
Ne sećam se kada me je zadnji put neki strip ovoliko smorio.Završio sam ga,ali sam više puta razmišljao da batalim stvar.Onaj deo gde se pojavljuje Skotov otac mi je bio toliko bezvezan,da sam tih nekih 20-ak stranica samo gledao slike.
Inače mi ne leže akcijski marvelov superherojski strip,ali X-meni su mi dno.I Iron man mi je bio bolji.Priča se svodi da nekakav super-mega-tip mrzi Xmene i krene da ih uništi - i onda odjednom iz zemlje izbije neki džinovski baja i kreće razbijanje,prebijanje,otimanje,ubijen je,nije ubijen,...Teško sranje - za uzrast 10 plus/minus 2 godine uzrast.Odnos između xmena je užasno prikazan,a između novih i starih još užasnije.
Jedina svetla tačka u stripu je Vulverin i sjajni crteži Dejva Kokrama i Džona Berna,i samo me je to i vuklo da izdražima sa čitanjem (da ne kažem gledanjem) i samo zbog toga ću stripu dati 6/10.
Iako mi je priča teško njesra.
Malo sam prelistavao dvojku i vidim da je u pitanju ista stvar.Mislim da za nju ipak neću imati snage |
Dajte nam Ralph Azhama;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)! |
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anto
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Serbia
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Posted - 18/09/2015 : 09:08:45
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X-men 2 (esencijal) od Čarobne knjige
Ne znam kad sam se više namučio sa nekim stripom.
Em mi je potpuno nezanimljiv,em predugačak.A ja čvrsto rešio da ga celog pročitam.
Mislio sam da ću nakon keca malo ući u štos kod dvojke,ali džaba.Sve sam pokušao - i jedna epizoda na dan,i dve,i tri, i čitanje u cugu od par sati,ali nije bilo vajdi ni u kojoj kombinaciji.Mislim da sam X-Mene dva čitao više od tri meseca; i mojoj sreći nije bilo kraja kad sam ih završio.Trojku ne uzima u ruke ni da mi neko plati.
Jednostavno,osim sjajnog crteža,ništa mi se ovde ne sviđa.Ne želim da bilo koga omalovažavam (vidiim da ima ljudi kojima je ovo sjajno),ali ovo mi je teški debilizam od priče.I od ideje i od izvođenja.Mnoštvo superheroja, odnosno mutanata koje uporno žele da unište/zarobe neki super zlikovci/demoni; i tabanje,tabanje,tabanje,...Meni, bez ikakvog smisla.
Evo jedne anegdote vezane za ovaj strip.Istinite. Provalim ja da čim uzmem da čitam X-mene,posle nekoliko stranica počne da mi se spava.Nemam problem sa nesanicom,ali nekad kad me klinci probude,dešava se da teže zaspim.E tu uleće ovaj strip kao najsigurnije uspavljujuće sredstvo u tim kriznim momentima.Spasao me je barem 2-3 puta.
Bledo,dosadno,glupo - to bi bio moj komentar.Sa odličnim crtežom.Te stoga 6/10.
I to vrlo bleda šestica. |
Dajte nam Ralph Azhama;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)! |
Edited by - anto on 18/09/2015 09:09:37 |
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IGMAN2
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Posted - 19/09/2015 : 02:35:40
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Anto, eto, probao si i vrijeme je da odustaneš!
Najiskrenije ti savjetujem, nisi ti za to.
Ako si ovaj, jedan od svjetski najprodavanijih i najhvaljenijih X-men perioda legendarnog dvojca Claremont-Byrne, koji je čista klasika, sam temelj i uzor kako treba izgledati odličan super herojski strip, tako teško probavio... najpametnije bi ti bilo da i ne pokušavaš više i zaboraviš Amere.
Jednostavno ti ne vidiš i ne znaš kako čitati takve stripove.
Ne vjerujem da li tu pomaže neki savjet ili upustvo ili da se takvo nešto može naučiti... bar ja nisam učio čitati takve stripove... to moraš znati osjetiti. Ako nema tog filinga- uzaludan ti trud.
Mogu te razumjeti, i sam imam takvih problema s doživljavanjem (tj. s nedoživljavanjem) nekih stripova (npr. Zekan) ili Mangi.
Usput, tko ti je 'Stormov otac'?
Možda ne govorimo o istoim stripu? |
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anto
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Serbia
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Posted - 19/09/2015 : 09:05:02
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Skotov otac,Gusar,greška.
epizoda Armagedon.
Glede superherojskih stripova - Sten Lijev Spajdermen mi je neverovatno zabavan;obožavam ga;Milerov Dardevil mi je sjajan;Gejmenova 1602-a, Hulk,posledni Titan takođe. |
Dajte nam Ralph Azhama;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)! |
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Johnny Difool
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Croatia
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Posted - 19/09/2015 : 09:15:11
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@ anto
Ovo stvarno ne razumijem: jučer u 09:07:48 napišeš ovo:
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Malo sam prelistavao dvojku i vidim da je u pitanju ista stvar.Mislim da za nju ipak neću imati snage
A manje od minut kasnije, točno u 09:08:45 ovo:
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Ne znam kad sam se više namučio sa nekim stripom.
Em mi je potpuno nezanimljiv,em predugačak.A ja čvrsto rešio da ga celog pročitam.
Mislio sam da ću nakon keca malo ući u štos kod dvojke,ali džaba.Sve sam pokušao - i jedna epizoda na dan,i dve,i tri, i čitanje u cugu od par sati,ali nije bilo vajdi ni u kojoj kombinaciji.Mislim da sam X-Mene dva čitao više od tri meseca; i mojoj sreći nije bilo kraja kad sam ih završio.Trojku ne uzima u ruke ni da mi neko plati.
Jednostavno,osim sjajnog crteža,ništa mi se ovde ne sviđa.Ne želim da bilo koga omalovažavam (vidiim da ima ljudi kojima je ovo sjajno),ali ovo mi je teški debilizam od priče.I od ideje i od izvođenja.Mnoštvo superheroja, odnosno mutanata koje uporno žele da unište/zarobe neki super zlikovci/demoni; i tabanje,tabanje,tabanje,...Meni, bez ikakvog smisla.
Evo jedne anegdote vezane za ovaj strip.Istinite. Provalim ja da čim uzmem da čitam X-mene,posle nekoliko stranica počne da mi se spava.Nemam problem sa nesanicom,ali nekad kad me klinci probude,dešava se da teže zaspim.E tu uleće ovaj strip kao najsigurnije uspavljujuće sredstvo u tim kriznim momentima.Spasao me je barem 2-3 puta.
Dakle, u prvom postu si "dvojku" samo "malo prelistavao" i zaključio da za nju nećeš imati snage, a niti minut kasnije si je ne samo pročitao, nego i "čitao više od tri meseca"
Daj javi ako ti se javio Mister Jinx i ako si mu masno platio, ili ako si otkrio kakvu vremensku rupu.
Ili pak postaš o nečemu što nisi čitao, a tvrdiš da jesi. Ako je ovo drugo posrijedi, u najmanju ruku nije korektno, jer diskrepancija je golema.
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Ja necu imati s kim ostati mlad ako svi ostarite,
i ta ce mi mladost teško pasti... |
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anto
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Serbia
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anto
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Serbia
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Posted - 19/09/2015 : 09:27:51
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Top 100 Comic Book Runs Master List
100. Daniel Clowes’ Eightball – 83 points
99. Jim Steranko’s Nick Fury – 84 points
98. Stan Lee and Jack Kirby’s Thor/Tales of Asgard – 89 points (2 first place votes)
97. Terry Moore’s Strangers in Paradise – 90 points
96. Jack Cole’s Plastic Man – 91 points
95. Peter David’s 1st Run on X-Factor – 92 points (1 first place vote)
94. Gail Simone’s Secret Six – 94 points (1 first place vote)
93. Chris Claremont’s New Mutants – 95 points
92. Frank Miller’s Sin City – 96 points (2 first place votes)
91. Chris Ware’s Acme Novelty – 97 points (1 first place vote)
90. John Layman and Rob Guillory’s Chew – 98 (1)
89. Mark Waid and Mike Wieringo’s Fantastic Four – 99
88. Joe Hill and Gabriel Rodriguez’s Locke and Key – 100 (3)
87. Dan Slott’s Amazing Spider-Man – 102
86. Bryan Lee O’Malley’s Scott Pilgrim – 103
85. Keith Giffen and Tom and Mary Bierbaum’s Legion – 104 points (2 first place votes)
84. Alan Moore, Zander Cannon and Gene Ha’s Top 10 – 105 points (1 first place vote)
83. Kazuo Koike & Goseki Kojima’s Lone Wolf and Cub – 106 points (5 first place votes)
82. Ed Brubaker, Michael Lark and Stefano Gaudiano’s Daredevil – 107 points (2 first place votes)
81. Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips’ Criminal – 108 points
80. Joe Kelly’s Deadpool – 111 points (1 first place vote)
79. Jim Starlin’s Warlock – 112 points
78. Rick Remender’s Uncanny X-Force – 113 points
77. Larry Hama’s G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero – 114 points (4 first place votes)
76. Denny O’Neil and Denys Cowan’s The Question – 115 points (2 first place votes)
75. Kieron Gillen’s Journey Into Mystery – 116 points (4 first place votes)
74. Stan Lee and Steve Ditko’s Doctor Strange – 117 points (1 first place vote)
73. Peter Milligan and Mike Allred’s X-Force/X-Statix – 118 points
72. Scott Snyder, Greg Capullo and Jonathan Clapion’s Batman – 119 points (2 first place votes)
71. Mark Waid’s Daredevil – 120 points
70. Geoff Johns’ JSA – 121 points (3 first place votes)
69. Denny O’Neil and Neal Adams’ Batman – 122 points
68. Warren Ellis, Bryan Hitch and Paul Neary’s Authority – 123 points
67. Alan Moore and J.H. Williams III’s Promethea – 124 points (3 first place votes)
66. David Michelinie and Bob Layton’s Iron Man – 125 points
65. Warren Ellis and Stuart Immonen’s Nextwave –128 points
64. Denny O’Neil and Neal Adams’ Green Lantern (co-starring Green Arrow) – 129 points
63. Will Eisner’s The Spirit – 131 points (2 first place votes)
62. John Byrne’s Superman – 134 points (3 first place votes)
61. Ed Brubaker, Matt Fraction and David Aja’s Immortal Iron Fist – 143 points
60. Robert Kirkman, Cory Walker and Ryan Ottley’s Invincible – 149 points (5 first place votes)
59. Brian Michael Bendis’ Avengers – 152 points (1 first place vote)
58. Alan Grant and Norm Breyfogle’s Batman – 154 points (3 first place votes)
57. John Ostrander and Tom Mandrake’s The Spectre – 155 points (3 first place votes)
56. John Ostrander’s Suicide Squad – 158 points (1 first place vote)
55. Steve Englehart and Marshall Rogers’ Detective Comics – 161 points (3 first place votes)
54. Carl Barks’ Duck comics – 167 points (1 first place vote)
53. Garth Ennis and John McCrea’s Hitman – 168 points (1 first place vote)
52. Jonathan Hickman’s FF – 171 points (3 first place votes)
51. Jack Kirby’s Fourth World – 176 points (2 first place votes)
50. Brian K. Vaughan and Tony Harris’ Ex Machina – 184 points
49. Peter David’s 2nd Run on X-Factor – 189 points (2 first place votes)
48. Kurt Busiek and Brent Anderson’s Astro City – 198 points (2 first place votes)
47. Paul Levitz, Keith Giffen and Larry Mahlstedt’s Legion of Super-Heroes – 201 points (5 first place votes)
46. Dave Sim and Gerhard’s Cerebus – 203 points (10 first place votes)
45. Grant Morrison’s Invisibles – 204 points (4 first place votes)
44. Roger Stern and John Romita Jr.’s Amazing Spider-Man – 214 points (1 first place vote)
43. Brian Azzarello and Eduardo Risso’s 100 Bullets -226 points (5 first place votes)
42. Roger Stern’s Avengers – 228 points (4 first place votes)
41. Jeff Smith’s Bone – 230 points (2 first place votes)
40. Los Bros Hernandez’s Love and Rockets – 231 points (8 first place votes)
39. Mike Mignola’s Hellboy – 247 points (6 first place votes)
38. Alan Moore’s Marvelman/Miracleman – 254 points (6 first place votes)
37. Stan Lee and John Romita’s Spider-Man – 262 points (3 first place votes)
36. Mark Waid’s Flash – 263 points (6 first place votes)
35. Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch’s Ultimates – 265 points (2 first place votes)
34. Brian K. Vaughan and Adrian Alphona’s Runaways – 272 points (6 first place votes)
33. Jason Aaron and R.M. Guera’s Scalped – 289 points (4 first place votes)
32. Grant Morrison’s Doom Patrol – 333 points (8 first place votes)
31. Warren Ellis, Darick Robertson and Rodney Ramos’ Transmetropolitan – 336 points (6 first place votes)
30. Greg Rucka and Ed Brubaker’s Gotham Central – 340 points (8 first place votes)
29. Kurt Busiek and George Perez’s Avengers – 342 points (6 first place votes)
28. Robert Kirkman, Tony Moore and Charlie Adlard’s Walking Dead – 351 points
27. Bill Willingham, Mark Buckingham and Steve Leialoha’s Fables – 358 points (4 first place votes)
26. Peter David’s Incredible Hulk – 365 points (7 first place votes)
25. Garth Ennis’ Punisher – 380 points (5 first place votes)
24. John Byrne’s Fantastic Four – 381 points (4 first place votes)
23. Grant Morrison’s Animal Man – 393 points (6 first place votes)
22. Ed Brubaker’s Captain America – 445 points (8 first place votes)
21. Joss Whedon and John Cassaday’s Astonishing X-Men – 463 points (8 first place votes)
20. Keith Giffen and J.M. DeMatteis’ Justice League – 474 points (8 first place votes)
19. Warren Ellis and John Cassaday’s Planetary – 489 points (8 first place votes)
18. Geoff Johns’ Green Lantern – 498 points (11 first place votes)
17. Brian Michael Bendis’ Ultimate Spider-Man – 501 points (6 first place votes)
16. Brian Michael Bendis and Alex Maleev’s Daredevil – 514 points (7 first place votes)
15. Chris Claremont’s Solo X-Men – 533 points (14 first place votes)
14. Marv Wolfman and George Perez’s New Teen Titans – 560 points (13 first place votes)
13. Grant Morrison’s New X-Men – 584 points (9 first place votes)
12. Grant Morrison’s JLA – 607 points (7 first place votes)
11. James Robinson’s Starman – 637 points (22 first place votes)
10. Walter Simonson’s Thor – 701 points (16 first place votes)
9. Garth Ennis and Steve Dillon’s Preacher – 792 points (22 first place votes)
8. Grant Morrison’s Batman – 830 points (27 first place votes)
7. Frank Miller and Klaus Janson’s Daredevil – 838 points (17 first place votes)
6. Stan Lee and Steve Ditko’s Amazing Spider-Man – 849 points (24 first place votes)
5. Brian K. Vaughan, Pia Guerra and Jose Marzan’s Y the Last Man – 855 points (23 first place votes)
4. Stan Lee and Jack Kirby’s Fantastic Four – 863 points (29 first place votes)
3. Alan Moore’s Swamp Thing – 1184 points (27 first place votes)
2. Chris Claremont, John Byrne and Terry Austin’s X-Men – 1233 points (39 first place votes)
1. Neil Gaiman’s Sandman – 1375 points (45 first place votes) |
Dajte nam Ralph Azhama;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)! |
Edited by - anto on 19/09/2015 09:28:15 |
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Johnny Difool
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Croatia
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going going
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Serbia
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Vlaadisha
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USA
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Member since 21/07/2004 |
Posted - 19/09/2015 : 20:48:25
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Originally posted by going going
Sin City na 92. mestu ?!?
ta lista vise govori o sajtu cbr nego o samim stripovima
slicno ko sto je ovde oskara dobio zagor  |
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Mr. Bushido
stripovi.com suradnik
Croatia
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Posted - 20/09/2015 : 01:18:23
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Originally posted by Vlaadisha
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Originally posted by going going
Sin City na 92. mestu ?!?
ta lista vise govori o sajtu cbr nego o samim stripovima
slicno ko sto je ovde oskara dobio zagor
Ali bez obzira na sami redoslijed naslova, ovaj popis je zbilja dobar.
Ako netko želi dobar putokaz za čitanje američkih stripova, ova lista je sasvim dobar početak. Uz iznimku Lone Wolf and Cub, naravno. |
Comics is any art you can read. -- Sean T. Collins |
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Essential X-Men #9
