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1Euro
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 10:45:16
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majke mi, da nisam znao da ima King Warrior novi avatar, sada sam pogledao i eto ga, haha, stvarno sam pogodio, iako kada bolje pogledam sliku meni možda malo više liči na Ultrasa, ipak je Ultras malo mršaviji,.... Kolorac sam ja jedva dobio u Sloveniji....najprije sam išao u trafiku u City Centar (Interspar), nisu imali onda sam obilazio neke trafike, nisu imali, a na jednoj sam dobio onog poslednjeg, sam g amorao uzeti iz vitrine.....pitanje je sada, da li nisu još dobili svoje primjerke (Interspar trafika npr...) ili je ovo planulo! |
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Džedson
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 10:51:52
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quote: Originally posted by cat claw
Dzedsone, to sve moras napisati Morenu. A za masivnost, nije problem, ali dobio sam instrukcije da ne crtam bildera. Znaci, ostaje zilav.
ma naravno, bane, i vi ostali, ni ja ne podnosim bilderskog zagora, vjerujem da nema takvih među redovitim čitačima, nisam na to mislio kada sam spominjao masivnost ti ga crtaš taman (malo me na pepea podsjeća) zagor nema više od 90 kg sigurno. samo sam listao neke tarzane nedavno pa sam se malo prisjetio toga. a što se morena tiče, on i sam izbaci svaku treću takvu s makljažama, tako da nisu loši izgledi. šteta mi je tebi davati neke mirnije |
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teller
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Slovenia
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 14:38:29
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nevezano, Banetova naslovnica za Veseli Četvrtak izdanje je odlična ali... pa nije originalna ko u Italiji, mene bi smetalo da uz original naslovnice(ma kakve več one bile) imam jednu alternativnu...zamenska može kao dodatak originalnoj, obratno nikako. Drago mi da je Ludens objavio originalnu a nabavit ču i Banetovu od Četvrtka... šta misle ostali kolekcionari o tome? |
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Johnny Difool
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Croatia
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 15:11:50
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Sasvim se slažem, ne samo za konkretno izdanje: originalna naslovnica je originalna, i mora biti na stripu, jer se inače formalno vraćamo na praksu ZS i LMS sa zamjenskim naslovnicama Mikice, Baneta ( ) i ostalih.
Banetova zamjenska naslovnica je mogla komotno ići na stražnju stranu, ili umetnuta kao predlist na kvalitetnijem papiru, i svi bi bili zadovoljni.
Ovako kupci VČ-ova izdanja ostaju bez izvorne naslovnice, što barem nije lijepo, a može se govoriti i o neprofesionalizmu.
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jaki
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Croatia
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 15:37:09
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koje gluposti. imamo jednu dobru i jednu lošu naslovnu i sad bi se ja triba žalit ako se objavi dobra jer ta nije izašla u talijanskom izdanju? kolekcionari su poseban soj ljudi da se najblaže izrazim. |
Ja sam fetišist papira! |
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 15:44:13
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Meni ne smeta zamjenska ako je ista bolja od originala, ali izdavač bi ipak trebao ponuditi obje pa neka svaki kupac odluči koju će uzeti. Tako sam ja kod giganta uzeo Nuccijevu, iako to možda nije slučaj za usporedbu jer je ovaj kolorac u toj verziji izašao u originalu a Ludensov izmišljeni gigant ne. |
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jaki
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 15:48:53
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quote: Originally posted by DODSFERD a Ludensov izmišljeni gigant ne.
Zašto Ludensovo izdanje zoveš izmišljenim a ono talijansko kao nije izmišljeno?Zar uvijek domače izdanje mora biti potpuno isto kao i tamo gdje je prvi put objavljeno? Ja da sam izdavač bi namjerno isprijemješao stvari samo da "kolekcionari" polude |
Ja sam fetišist papira! |
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 16:03:28
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Naravno da je i talijansko izdanje izmišljeno pošto se ne radi o priči koja je rađena po istinitom događaju.  Kada su u pitanju kiosk izdanja ne smeta mi nikakvo miješanje, prava kolekcionarska izdanja idu u HC-u po masnoj cijeni i tu mora biti sve po špagi.  |
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tinton
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 16:42:13
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quote: Originally posted by Curunir
quote: Originally posted by tinton
quote: Originally posted by Zeljko Ferri
quote: Originally posted by cat claw
Iskreno, meni se nikada nije svidjalo da grmalj od 120 kila leluja na lijanama. Ako cemo pravo, Kristofer Lamber je daleko realniji Tarzan od mesnatih Vajsmilera, Skota i Barkera... Ron Eli je tu negde, a Kifi zlatna sredina... Tako ni Zagora ne treba zamisljati kao Konana na drvetu....
Apsolutno I Zagor treba da ostane onakav kakvim ga je Ferri zamislio.
ZNači uglađeni manekenčić.
tebi je onda valjda i clint maneken? a muževnijega "kauboja" dame nisu vidjele. ferri je zamislio i nacrtao atletski građena, snažna čovjeka, a ne balon iz teretane.
Tko spominje balon iz teretane? Osoba koja svakog dana preživljava u močvari mora biti puno surovija i daleko manje uglađena. |
Dajte nam Banija Libre;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)!
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Johnny Difool
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Croatia
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 16:44:15
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Nije stvar u kolekcionarstvu, nego u (ne)pridržavanju izvornika i (ne)poštivanju kupca.
Recimo to ovako: ako je omot ploče Sticky Fingers naslikao Andy Warhol, onda želim (želio sam tj. želio bih) da Jugoton ploču objavi s istim omotom, a ne recimo s alternativnim koji bi naslikao Mirko Ilić.
Svaka čast Iliću, ali Warhol je Warhol i original je original.
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teller
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 16:46:48
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quote: Originally posted by Johnny Difool
Nije stvar u kolekcionarstvu, nego u (ne)pridržavanju izvornika i (ne)poštivanju kupca.
Recimo to ovako: ako je omot ploče Sticky Fingers naslikao Andy Warhol, onda želim (želio sam tj. želio bih) da Jugoton ploču objavi s istim omotom, a ne recimo s alternativnim koji bi naslikao Mirko Ilić.
Svaka čast Iliću, ali Warhol je Warhol i original je original.
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jaki
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 17:50:14
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quote: Originally posted by Johnny Difool
Svaka čast Iliću, ali Warhol je Warhol i original je original.
Ferri nije Warhol a pogotovo nije u odnosu na Kerca. A to nije ni original kako to pogrešno nazivamo već kopija u desetke tisuće komada. Ovdje je pitanje mora li domače izdanje biti isto kao talijansko? Po meni ne mora.tj.svako poboljšanje je plus.A bolja naslovnica nego li je talijanska je svakako plus. |
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solar
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 17:53:58
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quote: Nije stvar u kolekcionarstvu, nego u (ne)pridržavanju izvornika i (ne)poštivanju kupca.
Prvo stoji u nekim okolnostima, drugo nikako. |
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Curunir
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 21:14:05
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Kamo sreće da Bane radi za Ludens i da je svaka Zagorova naslovnica zamijenjena njegovom (naravno i da mu je to masno plaćeno, podrazumijeva se ). Da ih sve crta pijan, ušlogiran i s akutnim konjuktivitisom na oba oka još bi uvijek bile daleko bolje od onoga što danas dobivamo. |
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cat claw
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Curunir
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 23:06:40
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  znate li da jos nisam dobio Vaseg Bleka koji ste mi darovali? onaj u koga je, serem mu se na sve. evo ovako javno. godina i po je prosla... |
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cat claw
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Johnny Difool
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Posted - 30/10/2015 : 12:04:35
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quote: Originally posted by solar
quote: Nije stvar u kolekcionarstvu, nego u (ne)pridržavanju izvornika i (ne)poštivanju kupca.
Prvo stoji u nekim okolnostima, drugo nikako.
Kako ne? Ja kao kupac smatram da me se ne poštuje ako netko u nekoj redakciji, svejedno da li u Slobodnoj Dalmaciji, Ludensu, Veselom četvrtku ili gdje god, odluči da mi (nam) umjesto naslovnice originalnog izdanja dade naslovnicu koju iz nekog razloga sam odabere.
To mi je itekako smetalo u nekadašnjim ZS i LMS, gdje smo umjesto originalnih naslovnica dobivali zamjenske od Pavela Koze, Mikice, Baneta ili koga već, u Vjesniku gdje bi umjesto izvorne naslovnice Alana Forda jednostavno uvećali kadar iz stripa, ili sad u Veselom četvrtku gdje su odlučili ići s alternativnom Banetovom naslovnicom.
I uopće nije stvar u tome da je Banetova naslovnica bolja (svakako jest) ili slabija, kao ni u obezvređivanju radova Mikice, Koze ili koga god, nego u tome da je originalna naslovnica originalna, a da su sve ostalo voluntarističke odluke.
Stvar je u načelu: kad netko odluči da umjesto izvornog djela stavi zamjensko, meni je to znak nepoštivanja čitatelja. Hajde da su ponudili obje, pa da onaj tko hoće ima alternativu, ali nisu.
Napokon, zar ćeš mi reći da u ovim slučajevima ono što su radili u ZS nije nepoštivanje čitatelja, i da ne bi bilo bolje te prema čitateljima poštenije s originalnim naslovnicama:




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morski
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Posted - 30/10/2015 : 12:56:15
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da, ali ti je valjda jasno zasto su "uskakali" sa alternativnim naslovnim stranicama u ZS/LMS. drugaciji format epizoda nego u originalu. nije se lepila jedna na drugu vec su bile odvojene. i onda kada zafali naslovna za broj koji se nije ni pojavio u originalu kao zaseban, dobijali smo ove iz domace radinosti  meni licno to nije problem, pogotovo sto se tice ovoga u VC-u. mnogo mi je vaznije sta je U stripu, a ne NA stripu |
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Koresh
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Posted - 30/10/2015 : 13:01:03
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ovaj Bure stvarno ne zna napraviti JEDNU jedinu napetu i lijepo čitljivu priču, ne znam na koju foru je on scenarist stripova?? crtež je odličan, čitam sporo i uživam u njemu, ali Bure je napravio na tisuće ovakvih dosadnih stranica stripa da više ne kužim kako ovaj smor od priča može uopće ugledati lice dana |
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teller
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Posted - 30/10/2015 : 13:24:36
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Slazem se sa yohnijem, moze kao bonus ali nikako kao zamjena originalnoj... |
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cat claw
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Posted - 30/10/2015 : 13:31:19
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Naslovne u Dnevniku su zamenjivane zato sto onda nisu dobijali filmove od Bonelija niti crno belu kopiju. U pocetku su naslovne precrtavane na pausu a kasnije su radili (razno)razni crtaci. Znaci, nije nepostovanje citaoca nego tehnologija. 
Obojeni program nije reprint italijanskog izdanja, jer da jeste bilo bi sve isto sem prevedenog naslova. Zato i nije bila obaveza da ide ITA naslovna strana. Tim pre sto je Ludens objavio nasu verziju kolorca, tako da svako moze da bira prema svom ukusu. Ustvari, podla ideja je da svi kupite po dva primerka.    Inace, ilustracije su samo malo promenile mesta, tako da je ITA naslovna postala pagina terza u VC izdanju i sve su koze na broju.
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solar
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Posted - 30/10/2015 : 13:40:32
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@Johnny Difool A baš si našao primjer iz bivše juge, nema to veze s današnjim izdavaštvom. |
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Giuda Ballerino
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Posted - 30/10/2015 : 14:30:37
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Da me izdanje zanima i da kupujem redovito bio bi mi to stvarno pederski pozez. Ali ne kupujem a vidim i da se vecina veseli pa zato ajde neka. Moj original je spremljen i nacekat ce se na da bude procitan, a zanima me najvise radi KW-a |
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Johnny Difool
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Posted - 30/10/2015 : 14:54:19
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quote: Originally posted by solar
@Johnny Difool A baš si našao primjer iz bivše juge, nema to veze s današnjim izdavaštvom.
Zapravo uopće nije stvar u konkretnim primjerima, koji mogu biti bolji ili slabiji, u svakom smislu - kreativnom, tehničkom - kvalitetnije ili manje kvalitetno napravljeni. Stvar je u principu iliti načelu, a složit ćemo se da bi on morao vrijediti za sve podjednako. A ne da procjena ovisi o tome je li nešto napravljeno bolje ili gore, pa je bolje prihvatljivo a gore ne.
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