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Kruger
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Croatia
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Posted - 25/03/2016 : 19:22:55
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Pa dobro, gdje i u kojem slučaju Putina smatraju zloupotrebe vjere, ako ćemo gledati u-svezi Ukrajine onda je taj navod točan. |
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senokute
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Germany
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Posted - 25/03/2016 : 19:57:39
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Usporedba im ne stoji, ali u slucaju rusije bi se prije moglo reci da putin zloupotrebljava crkvu. Sve vazne odluke su oblagoslovljene od crkve, barem se to tako narodu proda.
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Kruger
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Croatia
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Dranki
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Just_Charlie
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senokute
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Germany
1367 Posts
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Posted - 25/03/2016 : 20:40:51
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quote: Originally posted by Kruger
senokute
Pomalo krivo briješ, Putin ne obezglavljuje Crkvu.
pa dobro, i kiril ima neke koristi od te simbioze koje je i vise nego vidljiva u rusiji. 90 posto vjernika u ruskoj federaciji. Neki bi mozda i rekli: opasan trend |
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Kruger
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Croatia
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senokute
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Germany
1367 Posts
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Posted - 25/03/2016 : 21:13:41
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Krugeru, nemam apsulutno nista protiv vjere i vjernika. Ovo sam mislio u drugom kontekstu, mjesanje religije u politiku pogotovo u zemljama istocne evrope a i kod nas bogami je itekako opasan trend. Moglo bi se cak nazvati kriva intepretacija demokratije.
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Dranki
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Posted - 25/03/2016 : 21:27:19
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Priča se da u Vatikanu ima 100% vjernika, i svi protiv homoseksualaca. Opasan trend. |
I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas, and land on barbarous coasts. |
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senokute
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Germany
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Dranki
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2549 Posts
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Posted - 25/03/2016 : 21:46:35
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Nesto si pobrkao. 3/4 Rusa se izjasnjavaju kao ortodoksni pravoslavci, a samo 10-ak posto ide u crkvu. O talibanizaciji Rusije možeš govoriti samo u vezi sa afganistanskim heroinom koji uništava rusku mladež (2.5 miliona ovisnika, u odnosu na broj stanovnika 8 puta više nego u USA).
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I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas, and land on barbarous coasts. |
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senokute
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Germany
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Dranki
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2549 Posts
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Posted - 25/03/2016 : 22:29:52
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Zvučiš kao neki zapadnjački analitičar koji svaki ruski pokret tumači kao pretnju pa zapadne interese. Rusi su prolazili krizu identiteta 90-ih godina poslije ogromnog siromaštva i poniženja nakon Hladnog rata, i sada pokušavaju da nadju sebe, promocijom tradicionalnih vrijednosti poput vjere, porodice, nacionalnog identiteta. Prihvatanje zapadnih liberalnih vrijednosti poput istopolnih brakova i lizanja čizama Washingtonu nema nekog odjeka u ruskom konzervativnom društvu. Govoriti o Rusima kao naivnim praznoglavcima kojima upravljaju zli Putin i zla crkva je najblaže rečeno nepoznavanje prilika u Rusiji. Svako na ovom forumu ko čita i sluša ugledne poznavaoce situacije u Rusiji će ti reći da je Putin za ruske prilike liberalniji od većine Rusa, čak neki govore da je zakon o zabrani promovisanja homoseksualizma donio protiv svoje volje da bi ugodio većini Rusa, iako je bio svjestan kakva će biti reakcija na Zapadu.
I nemoj zaboraviti da danas Putina podržavaju ne samo konzervativni Rusi, nego i liberalni, prozapadni Rusi, ona intelektualna sredina.
Kiril, sudeći po izvještajima, sigurno nije neispisani papir, ali to zapadnim medijima nije ni bitno, oni su čak i nedavni susret Kirila sa papom izgazili nogama na najgori mogući način.
A na ovoj naslovnici gore u centru pažnje nije ISIL-ova crna zastava, nego ortodoksni krst, što očigledno treba da nam sugeriše odakle dolazi najveća prijetnja.
Podsjećaš malo na nagora koji je uvjeren da američke vojne intervencije ciljaju isključivo na promociju demokratije, na neki misteriozan način čak i one intervencije koje su rušile demokratske vlade i dovodile na vlast brutalne diktatorske ubice koji su, podrazumijeva se, lizali čizmu Amerikancima.
A ono da se Rusi polako pretvaraju u Taliban zbog opasnog trenda da su 90% vjernici može komotno u viceve. |
I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas, and land on barbarous coasts. |
Edited by - Dranki on 25/03/2016 22:43:27 |
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DODSFERD
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Pitcairn Island
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senokute
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Germany
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Posted - 26/03/2016 : 14:58:14
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dranki@, znas problem kod nas dvojice je sljedeci: Ja putina definisem kao diktatora, tipa erdogan , dok ga ti vidis kao neku alternativu i radi te cinjenice se nikada necemo sloziti. ne osporavam da je evropska i americka politika jadna, truhla, podmukla, ali kao alternativu bas podrzavati diktaturu, ma daj. To ti dodje kao skok sa magarca na jeza . spomenuo si Nagora, na dosta cemu se ne slazem sa njim ali na kraju krajeva ove cinjenice mu ipak daju pravo: i ja i ti zivimo u eu i nimalo nam to mrsko nije.
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Dranki
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Posted - 26/03/2016 : 18:14:44
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quote: Originally posted by senokute i ja i ti zivimo u eu i nimalo nam to mrsko nije.
Još jedna floskula koju sam čuo bezbroj puta. Ja ne kritikujem sistem vladavine u jednoj državi i odnos sistema prema gradjanima, niti uzdižem drugi sistem, nego kritikujem katastrofalnu spoljnu politiku Zapada. Idući put kad sretneš Njemca koji kritikuje politiku Merkelove savjetuj mu da se preseli u Rusiju pa mi javi šta ti je odgovorio. |
I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas, and land on barbarous coasts. |
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Dranki
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Posted - 26/03/2016 : 18:34:31
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Izgleda da je Bernie dobio još jednog neočekivanog glasača:
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I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas, and land on barbarous coasts. |
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Dranki
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DODSFERD
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Pitcairn Island
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Tutta
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Germany
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Posted - 26/03/2016 : 23:18:58
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quote: Originally posted by Dranki
Nesto si pobrkao. 3/4 Rusa se izjasnjavaju kao ortodoksni pravoslavci, a samo 10-ak posto ide u crkvu. O talibanizaciji Rusije možeš govoriti samo u vezi sa afganistanskim heroinom koji uništava rusku mladež (2.5 miliona ovisnika, u odnosu na broj stanovnika 8 puta više nego u USA).
A vodka? 50 miliona? |
+IN HOC SIGNO VINCES+
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Dranki
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Posted - 26/03/2016 : 23:53:21
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Spremi kocku vode i čašu šećera prije nego ti kažem. |
I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas, and land on barbarous coasts. |
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Risar_69
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Slovenia
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igor 12
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Risar_69
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Slovenia
11679 Posts
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Posted - 27/03/2016 : 10:32:32
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Da, teorija zavjere, zaprašuju jer hlade zrak :) |
Kad pocneš crtati, uvek moraš imati na kraju olovke, srce, ruku i misli! |
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Risar_69
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