Neki tip tvrdi, bez navođenja detalja, da dosta toga govori u prilog tome da bi ovo mogla biti zamka da izmame militante iz grada na čistinu. Svašta je moguće. Nadam se da je u pravu.
Khm, to isto tvrde vec celo vreme ofanzive (znaci, skoro tjedan dana). Za svaki veci izgubljeni teritorij. A stakora je uistinu mnoooogo. No, povlacenja tako brzo ... a pri tome imaju i zracnu i artiljerijsku podrsku ... cudno.
Vec me strah i provjeriti novo stanje ...
Novinar Al Masdara: Siege partially lifted by jihadists. All the information I have received indicates that their fighters met up, but road not secure.
For the first time, Hezbollah Radwan forces take in control the artillery buildings in Aleppo and attack Nusra (JFS) inside the compound. Expect fierce battle today and this evening in the area to block Nusra and Jihadists advance in the area of Aleppo. The Hezbollah Ridwan is the one responsible for Quseyr, Qalamoun and rural Damascus. Now the Aleppo battle is expected to reach its peak. This battle of Aleppo is expected to end before the end of next week. But until then, expect the most violent battle of all battles in Syria. Sources: Hezbollah Ridwan forces already engaged in an ambush against Jihadists and rebels next to cement factory. Tens of casualties. Russia sources n Aleppo:"Jihadists (Ahrar) received tens of MANPADs, forcing RUAF to fly higher than 3.5km and excluding Helicopters". Russia (in Aleppo) believes (I quote) "Jihadists received MANPADs with the knowledge of the USA, through countries of the region".
Breaking. Jaish Al-Fateh seized the last parts of N. Artillery Base. rebels announce full control of the Airforce college north of the artillery base Garages of Ramoussah also under Rebel control. Lokacija: http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.164800&lon=37.126923&z=16&m=b
Nisam baš siguran da su ovo taktički potezi SAA. Prije bih rekao da su pobunjenici pustili one prostore gore na sjeveru, čekali da se snage SAA tamo koncentriraju pa onda iskoristili to za proboj južne strane. Ako sad to uspiju i na sjeveru SAA ostaje zarobljena u urbanim sredinama zapadnog dijela Aleppa, dakle tamo gdje rusko zrakoplovstvo ne može biti djelotvorno kao na otvorenim pozicijama ili po utvrđenim položajima. A s obzirom da su se dosta razvukli a nemaju dovoljno ljudstva, dok istovremeno pobunjenicima dolaze nove snage, sve mi miriše na velike probleme za SAA. I još pored svega idu se kačiti s Kurdima gore kod njihovog distrikta Sheikh Maqsud.
Nisam baš siguran da su ovo taktički potezi SAA. Prije bih rekao da su pobunjenici pustili one prostore gore na sjeveru, čekali da se snage SAA tamo koncentriraju pa onda iskoristili to za proboj južne strane. Ako sad to uspiju i na sjeveru SAA ostaje zarobljena u urbanim sredinama zapadnog dijela Aleppa, dakle tamo gdje rusko zrakoplovstvo ne može biti djelotvorno kao na otvorenim pozicijama ili po utvrđenim položajima. A s obzirom da su se dosta razvukli a nemaju dovoljno ljudstva, dok istovremeno pobunjenicima dolaze nove snage, sve mi miriše na velike probleme za SAA. I još pored svega idu se kačiti s Kurdima gore kod njihovog distrikta Sheikh Maqsud.
To sam još onda predviđao.
ma to je opči kaos,nisu toliko koordinirani
You stared at the abyss, you'll never rest in peace
Opći urnebes, ali SAA nema takav priljev svježih snaga za razliku od pobunjenika i IS-a. Iscrpljuju se i demoraliziraju, a ovi će sad tek podivljati kad su uspjeli probiti južni obruč.
Jedino ako će Rusi primijeniti iste metode kao u Groznom - sve sravniti sa zemljom. U tom slućaju izginule bi desetine tisuća civila.
Nisam baš siguran da su ovo taktički potezi SAA. Prije bih rekao da su pobunjenici pustili one prostore gore na sjeveru, čekali da se snage SAA tamo koncentriraju pa onda iskoristili to za proboj južne strane. Ako sad to uspiju i na sjeveru SAA ostaje zarobljena u urbanim sredinama zapadnog dijela Aleppa, dakle tamo gdje rusko zrakoplovstvo ne može biti djelotvorno kao na otvorenim pozicijama ili po utvrđenim položajima. A s obzirom da su se dosta razvukli a nemaju dovoljno ljudstva, dok istovremeno pobunjenicima dolaze nove snage, sve mi miriše na velike probleme za SAA. I još pored svega idu se kačiti s Kurdima gore kod njihovog distrikta Sheikh Maqsud.
To sam još onda predviđao.
Mislim da tu nema neke velike strategije, dovoljno je samo pročitati da su dovukli 95 tenkova za ofanzivu. To dovoljno govori o obimu ofanzive i da bacaju sve što imaju na SAA. Nešto slično Ardenskoj ofanzivi 1944. Ako bi ova ofanziva bila osujećena, to bi zaista bio kraj umjerenima.
I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas, and land on barbarous coasts.
Da, i ja mislim da je tu najveci faktor manjak ljudi u vrstama SAA i njihovih savjeznika. Dok terorista ima barem 9.000, dovukli su ih sa svih strana, neki govore da SAA ima mozda polovinu toga na volju, a fronta je razvejana.
Jeste da je istovremeno ovo sansa da SAA snaznije krene na ostalim frontama, a neki od rezultata se vec odrazuju na oduzetoj teritoriji u Latakiji, kod Damaska i u istocnoj Ghouti.
ako bi netko (od onih koji ne prate rat u Siriji ili samo tu i tamo) zelio vise informacija u vezi Aleppo fronte, ima i na wikiju refreshano stanje, sve od pocetka u 2012 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Aleppo_(2012%E2%80%93present) <-- link na forumu ne radi pa treba kopirati i pejstati u URL a ima i ova trenutna ofanziva https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleppo_offensive_(June%E2%80%93August_2016) <-- link na forumu ne radi pa treba kopirati i pejstati u URL
No, najbolje, ili najvaznije za celi rat u Siriji, bi bilo krenuti iz Latakije duz turske granice i tako teroristima spreciti snabdijevanje iz Turske. Samo sto ne vjerujem da ima SAA dovoljno snage za to. Pa cak i da ubede Kurde da i oni istovremeno krenu duz granice juzno od Afrina - njima je glavni "pobunjenicki" granicni prijelaz cak najblizi. Ala bi Turska popizdila. Ako se sjetimo kako su granatirali dok su opkruzivali Manbij ili kada su se spremali krenuti na Azaz, ovdje bi bilo isto. Heh, a mobli bi Rusi bombardovati sam granicni prijelaz, tek tako da pokazu svoju moc. No, mogli bi oni mnogo toga, ali ... nista od toga. I tu su igre pozadi.
Situacija u Aleppu sigurno nece ostati ovakva, ali je pitanje kada ce si SAA opomoci i krenuti u snaznu kontru. JZ od Aleppa, odakle su prije tjedan dana teroristi krenuli, je bolji teren nego pucanje unutar stambenih naselja, ali zato sire nepokrito podrucje, vise snaga bi trebali. No, nesto izgleda mnogo skripi izmedju SAA, Hezbolaha, iranskih milica i RuAF.
Mislim da bi Rusi trebali upotrebiti FOAB (Father of all bombs) na ovom podrucju kojega su sada teroristi spojili sa Aleppom. A i kazetne bombe kao i "carpet bombing". Prvo sve dobro procistiti pa onda krenuti pesadijom.
Pacovi se sigurno sada pokusavati ici na Hamdaniyu (preko puta od 1070 kompleksa), a i Hadher na jugu im je trn u peti.
Syrian Army & allies have launched a counterattack from Cement Plant and is clashing with militants in Ramouseh.
Intense shelling/airstrikes on Hikmah, 1070, Rashideen and non-stop on Ramouseh Artillery Base.
Yesterday's closure of Khanaser (to civilians) has allowed a large number of reinforcements & armour to be injected into Aleppo.
kako je svet posizio: In 2001 Al Qaeda were the terrorists who knocked down the twin towers, in 2016 they've been rebranded as the 'rebels' freeing Syria.
Izgleda kao da je tu gdje je stala ofanziva bila druga defanzivna linija SAA, pretpostavljam da su se uspjeli konsolidovati. Biće dolazeća sedmica možda i odlučujuća za tok rata u Siriji. Ne smije se dozvoliti islamistima da iskoriste momentum i trenutno oduševljenje, ali lako je palamuditi.
Tek sam danas primjetio, na bild.de integrisan twitter protokol Jihadi Juliana na startnoj stranici. To vam ga dođe kao da na web-sajtu CNN-a možete u minutnom taktu čitati i gledati uspjehe džihadista.
I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas, and land on barbarous coasts.
Huge: an extremely rare 180-mm S-23 gun captured in Aleppo Artillery College, able to fire a 88-kg shell some 30 km
ajde, barem iz Iraka (pored Manbija) stizu dobre vijesti ... izgleda ISF dobila dobre karte BREAKING: More than 100 Da'ish militants killed by Iraq's army in one of the biggest battles in southern Ninawa so far. More to follow. Da'ish militants launched a massive offensive earlier today in northern Iraq, trying to roll back Iraqi progress around Makhmur + Qayyarah. Iraq's army (9th + 15th Divs.) successfully repelled the Da'ish assault on 3+ villages near Makhmur, 3+ more near Qayyarah + Qayyarah AB.
The official page of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported that six TU-22M3 long-range bombers took off from Russia and carried out concentrated strikes with high-explosive fragmentation munitions around Al-Sakhnah and Arak villages east of Palmyra.
A command and control center as well as a large field camp that housed many ISIL terrorists were reportedly destroyed by the intense strikes. Notably, three infantry combat vehicles, 12 off-roaders with large-caliber machine guns, and many ISIS fighters were neutralized in the aerial operation.
This comes at a time when reports increasingly propose that the Syrian Army is massing to launch a huge offensive to capture the oil-ridden town of Sakhnah and lift the siege off the resilient city of Deir El-Zor (znaci, sprema se ... ili je patka ... na podrucje Palmire su dosle iracke vojne snage, da su se SAA umakle u unutrasnjost).
Ove Tu-22M3 bi trebali upotrijebiti i na "umjerenima" u i u okolini Aleppa.
ping pong partija ponovno na strani SAA - Kinsiba ponovno u rukama lojalista ... mada neki javljaju da su je "umjereni" ponovno osvojili (This is outdated, Kinsibba was recaptured by rebels a few hours ago in a counter attack) Syrian Army captures strategic Latakia town https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-captures-strategic-latakia-town/
Aleppo, Syria (9:45 A.M.) – The Iraqi paramilitary force, Harakat Al-Nujaba, announced on Sunday that their organization is sending 2,000 fighters to the southern Aleppo front.
According to the statement released by their media wing, Harakat Al-Nujaba plans to help drive back the jihadists in southern Aleppo, paving the way for the government to recapture the territory they lost.
Harakat Al-Nujaba already has several fighters inside of the southern Aleppo countryside; however, they have been relatively quiet as of the recently due to inaction near the key town of Khan Touman.
Al-Masdar cannot confirm whether or not this report by Harakat Al-Nujaba is true; furthermore, the Syrian Arab Army has not reported about their arrival.
a u vezi ALeppa ... jedan komentar: Too little too late. The jihadists seem fucking determined, the last time we have seen them like this, Idlib happened. AND those were only 5k, 10k more are coming O_O
Airstrikes seem to do fuck all to them. Russian army should daisy cutter (FOAB) / carpet bomb all the fronts they hold, instead of pitter pat 60 airstrikes a day, 90% of which are not even PGM’s. Russian dont even use ‘big’ airstrikes like American multiple JDAM sorties….
evo sta javljaju sa pro-pacovske strane: And now, Battle for Aleppo begins... Don't you see SRO leaks? Only 5 000 from Jaysh al-Fateh battled. Where are 10 000 others? You will see them soon. Idlib armies are already marching toward Aleppo. Thousands and thousands left their camps... Jaysh al-Fateh engaged only first wave (they arrived in Aleppo five weeks ago with their commanders). 350 died in the battle among 5 000. Most of the Jaysh al-Fateh armies now arriving at Aleppo western countryside inside Fatah Halab camps to prepare campaign. Jaysh al-Fateh has more than 8 000 defending Idlib borders. No problem to send armies toward Aleppo...
2 500 at Latakia front, more than 4 000 at N-W Hama fronts. Jayhs al-Fateh can sustain large fronts and launching huge campaigns.
Hezbollah reinforcements has arrived to the Hamdaniyah neighborhood in Aleppo (mada su oni ti krivci za propad juzne fronte u 6. mjesecu i dalje) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpVaHEnWYAAtgLW.jpg
toliko o istini na strani "umjerenih"
Idlib, rupcagu "umjerenih" terorista je RuAF navodno preko noci bombardovala fosforom
Hillary Clinton, the former US Secretary of State who is currently running for the President of the United States in the 2016 elections, has secret and special relations with US-based Turkish cleric Fethullah Gulen, according to Julian Assange, the founder of “Wikileaks”.
“Documents obtained by Wikileaks prove that Clinton strongly support Gulen’s group, which raises the concerns of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan about the future president of the United States”, Assange told RT in a special interview.
Assange added that several American media outlets, including CNN, have promulgated news that Erdogan had fled the country to Germany where he demanded a political asylum. The news has been promoted all over the world in order to help the coup leaders seize power.
As the US Secretary of State, Clinton used the war-torn Libya as a conduit to transfer weapons to jihadi fighters fighting the government troops in Syria.
Assange also highlighted the ‘unique’ ties between Clinton and Saudi Arabia, which is the biggest donors for Clinton Foundation.
U članku piše da "svaki napad izvan ratne zone (odnosno zemlje koja uopšte nije u ratu sa USA) mora biti odobren od Obame lično".
Iz vedra neba ispaljuju rakete iznad zemalja koje ne ratuju, na naredbu nobelovca, i o tome pišu kao da je to najnormalnija stvar na svijetu. Što je još luđe, nejasno je da li se vlade tih zemalja uopšte obaviještavaju o predstojećim napadima, ali sudeći po protestima poslije napada očigledno je da nemaju pojma o tome.
I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas, and land on barbarous coasts.
evo, kad umalo sto ne izginuse i posljednji IS, ovi "umjereni" se povampirise: WHAA! US-backed "Syrian rebel" says after Syria they will wage jihad in Europe through Turkey & Spain! US-backed "rebel" also promises; now that they raised arms they will never stop, they will go to Golan, Quds, Iraq & wage jihad there. https://twitter.com/Souria4Syrians/status/762709696658694144
... being high on drug .. a onda dođe downer ... u vidu rakete ili metka
Anything is possible dec d uej Be the Change You Want to See
Dok god se Rusi i Ameri ne dogovore oko zajedničkih akcija po pitanju ISIL-a ništa od svega ovoga. Rusi se ne žele dovesti u situaciju da im Sirija bude drugi Afganistan. S druge strane, Ameri tvrdoglavo inzistiraju na odlasku Assada umjesto da se pozabave džihadističkim frakcijama. Tako da trenutno i pobunjenici i ISIL to iskorištavaju. Ovo što SAA postiže po Latakiji, Ghouti i drugdje je sitno s obzirom što im prijeti izgubiti - cijeli Aleppo. A po svemu sudeći to je vrlo moguće. Previše su se razvukli a nemaju ljudstva, što će pobunjenici znati iskoristiti, kao što se vidi po ovom porazu SAA na jugu. Ono što su ih pustili gore kod Castella je bila navlakuša.
Gledam one slike što su SAA od oružja i tehnike ostavili u onoj artiljerijskoj školi, ako ništa drugo mogli su to uništiti, odnosno na vrijeme ranije minirati, da ovima barem to ne padne u ruke.
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