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Kerempir
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Posted - 08/11/2019 : 13:39:27
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I evo ga napokon...I kažem “pokušat će” zato što se operacija ponovnog osmišljavanja svijeta Nathana Nevera ne može ograditi od onoga što taj lik danas jest i od svijeta koji su autori stvorili oko njega. Kad sam počeo pisati prvi scenarij i kad sam silom prilika prelistao stara izdanja, ostao sam zbunjen. Naime, vrijeme je učinilo svoje... Naravno, sjećao sam se orijentira u sagi i glavnih likova, ali neke detalje potpuno sam drukčije upamtio, dok se drugih uopće nisam sjećao. I tad sam odlučio da neću čitati sve iznova, jer naši najvjerniji čitatelji jako dobro znaju koliko su važne uspomene u priči o Nathanu Neveru. I eto, pišući ovaj miniserijal, oslonio sam se na svoje uspomene te slijedom toga i na njihovu odsutnost... I to mi je dalo izvjesnu slobodu u građenju priče o Nathanu, njegovome smrtnom neprijatelju Nedu Maceu i Alfi. Stoga, starim će čitateljima serijala mnogi likovi i događaji biti poznati. Katkad će biti točno citirani, a katkad prerađeni i ponovno ukomponirani u dosad neviđenom i (nadam se) zanimljivom obliku.
Ne zvuči mi dobro ova premisa. |
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ivanl
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Croatia
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Posted - 08/11/2019 : 13:47:17
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Bit ce to u redu. Ali ona 'liga' i nas sjedokosi junak, nikako nece dobro ispasti. Kako je diskac rekao; kerefeke. I blag je bio, za mene je to sranje, i to vec unaprijed... |
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zeljko
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
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Posted - 08/11/2019 : 14:02:07
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quote: Originally posted by Kerempir
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I evo ga napokon...I kažem “pokušat će” zato što se operacija ponovnog osmišljavanja svijeta Nathana Nevera ne može ograditi od onoga što taj lik danas jest i od svijeta koji su autori stvorili oko njega. Kad sam počeo pisati prvi scenarij i kad sam silom prilika prelistao stara izdanja, ostao sam zbunjen. Naime, vrijeme je učinilo svoje... Naravno, sjećao sam se orijentira u sagi i glavnih likova, ali neke detalje potpuno sam drukčije upamtio, dok se drugih uopće nisam sjećao. I tad sam odlučio da neću čitati sve iznova, jer naši najvjerniji čitatelji jako dobro znaju koliko su važne uspomene u priči o Nathanu Neveru. I eto, pišući ovaj miniserijal, oslonio sam se na svoje uspomene te slijedom toga i na njihovu odsutnost... I to mi je dalo izvjesnu slobodu u građenju priče o Nathanu, njegovome smrtnom neprijatelju Nedu Maceu i Alfi. Stoga, starim će čitateljima serijala mnogi likovi i događaji biti poznati. Katkad će biti točno citirani, a katkad prerađeni i ponovno ukomponirani u dosad neviđenom i (nadam se) zanimljivom obliku.
Ne zvuči mi dobro ova premisa.
ovom bi profa na fakultetu rekao ovako
nisi ti to ni pročitao nit si se pripremio stoga neću ni pogledati taj projekt vidimo se na sljedećem roku |
Utabanim stazama ocaja! |
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solar
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Jerry Krause
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Posted - 08/11/2019 : 16:55:14
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Čuli narativna cjelina od 9 epizoda. Nekad se ta narativna cjelina protezala kroz 50-ak epizoda.
Čini se da i Nathanove priče pretvaraju u neku vrstu miniserijala, valjda je takav trend. |
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DiSkAcH
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Posted - 08/11/2019 : 17:13:14
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quote: Originally posted by Jerry Krause
Čuli narativna cjelina od 9 epizoda. Nekad se ta narativna cjelina protezala kroz 50-ak epizoda.
Čini se da i Nathanove priče pretvaraju u neku vrstu miniserijala, valjda je takav trend.
Lakše se proda ekipi koja nije čtala od početka. Ovako imaš kratki, zaokružen serijal. Evo zato ću ja npr sada uzet Nove Pustolovine gospona Pilota. Ne želim čitat cijeli serijal, ali ovako nešto kratko...zašto ne?  Vj ima još ljudi koji razmišljaju kao ja. |
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Jerry Krause
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Posted - 08/11/2019 : 17:38:35
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Sve ok, nemam ništa protiv, ali ovime se i gubi ona atmosfera po kojoj je bio i prepoznatljiv serijal. Znači, jedna velika priča, saga koja se protezala kroz puno epizoda i držala nas u iščekivanju.
Istina stoji da je u takvim velikim sagama uvijek bilo lako uvaliti brdo nepovezanih stand-alone epizoda upitne kvalitete dok je ovdje sve konkretno. Ma podržavam naravno i ove mini sage ako će se dobiti na kvaliteti, samo konstatiram da svi Bonelli serijali, pa i Nathan idu prema novim vjetrovima. |
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mpavin
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Jerry Krause
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Posted - 08/11/2019 : 23:04:47
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quote: Originally posted by mpavin
Koji je smisao ovog miniserijala Ponovno rođenje? Ne znan bi li to kupovao...
Stvar je percepcije. Koji je bio smisao Vignine Godine nulte? Meni nikakav, ali nekima se i svidio. Medda mi se čini puno bistriji autor, moglo bi ovo biti puno bolje od Vignina miniserijala. |
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ivanl
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Posted - 09/11/2019 : 02:09:34
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quote: Originally posted by mpavin
Koji je smisao ovog miniserijala Ponovno rođenje? Ne znan bi li to kupovao...
Smisao? SBE otvaraju vidike novoj publici. (citaj novom valu konzumenata) A i koga briga da ti ne kupujes, ili ja da kupim... Ima itekako onih voljnih novih kratkih spoznaja na racun/ustrb tradicije...
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mpavin
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Posted - 09/11/2019 : 08:07:38
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quote: Originally posted by Jerry Krause
quote: Originally posted by mpavin
Koji je smisao ovog miniserijala Ponovno rođenje? Ne znan bi li to kupovao...
Stvar je percepcije. Koji je bio smisao Vignine Godine nulte? Meni nikakav, ali nekima se i svidio. Medda mi se čini puno bistriji autor, moglo bi ovo biti puno bolje od Vignina miniserijala.
Da. Problem kod ovih izdanja je što ih moraš uzimati odmah, naslijepo. Ne moreš čekati recenzije i dojmove ostalih jer će se rasprodati u međuvremenu. Što se tiče autora, Medda je ok, ali Bonazzi je totalni prosjek, on me malo odbija. |
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DiSkAcH
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Croatia
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Posted - 09/11/2019 : 10:33:10
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A ja nemam tih problema, od Nathana trenutno sve uzimam bez razmišljanja. :) |
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risbozg
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Croatia
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Posted - 09/11/2019 : 16:40:47
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quote: Originally posted by DiSkAcH
A ja nemam tih problema, od Nathana trenutno sve uzimam bez razmišljanja. :)
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zeljko
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Posted - 09/11/2019 : 17:31:40
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Ni ja nemam tih problema prodajem sve od nathana ali nazalost tesko prodati jer ko skuplja ima sve a ko ne skuplja nece ni za 15 marki |
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Jerry Krause
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Posted - 09/11/2019 : 17:57:14
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Evo ja skrušeno priznajem da nemam sve od Nathana. Nemam Arkoninog Natana i ČK-ovog Nejtana.
@Diskach, nisi pravi natanofil ako nemaš doslovno sve, znači i SB 3 i DD KB 12. |
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DiSkAcH
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Posted - 10/11/2019 : 06:43:15
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quote: Originally posted by Jerry Krause
Evo ja skrušeno priznajem da nemam sve od Nathana. Nemam Arkoninog Natana i ČK-ovog Nejtana.
@Diskach, nisi pravi natanofil ako nemaš doslovno sve, znači i SB 3 i DD KB 12.
Onda nisam pravi NN-ovac.
Uz te nabrojane koje nemam, ja umjesto LL-ovh SB1 i 2 imam Arkonine(veći format i moram priznat jako kvalitetno SC izdanje), a ovog od ČK nemam uopće u planu za kupit. Bili su jedno vrijeme SB1 i 2 u SNK za 700kn, ali ja te novce ne mislim davat, pogotovo dok imam ova dva Arkonina koje mi je Sumo poklonio. 
A za SB 3 nisam imao pojma da spada u NN svijet. Skinem sken pa bacim oko. A za DD sam čuo od vas ovdje čini mi se da je teški krš. To je DD kolor br 12 od LL? Nema toga još u skenovima, ali moglo bi biti u knjižnici, pročitam i to. 
EDIT: Bacio brzinski oko na SB3 i izgleda dobro, pročitam pa javim dojmove. Taman sam neki dan pročitao onaj kolor reboot MM-a, pa dok sam još pod dojmom.  |
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Edited by - DiSkAcH on 10/11/2019 07:52:06 |
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ivanl
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Posted - 10/11/2019 : 19:16:00
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quote: Originally posted by Jerry Krause
Evo ja skrušeno priznajem da nemam sve od Nathana. Nemam Arkoninog Natana i ČK-ovog Nejtana.
@Diskach, nisi pravi natanofil ako nemaš doslovno sve, znači i SB 3 i DD KB 12.
Pa jednostavno ne treba ni uzimati van LL produkcije. I sami taljaski autori/crtaci N.N-a kad su uzeli LL knjige u ruke, (na moje oci) su ostali sokirani kvalitetom izdanja... |
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mladjo
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Posted - 10/11/2019 : 19:26:53
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Ako ne znate, mali potsjetnik:na 433. stanici je u izradi saga o tehnodoidima od strane vašeg omiljenog moderatora  |
COUNT ZERO INTERRUPT an interrupt of a process decrements a counter to zero
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Jerry Krause
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Posted - 10/11/2019 : 20:28:47
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quote: Originally posted by mladjo
Ako ne znate, mali potsjetnik:na 433. stanici je u izradi saga o tehnodoidima od strane vašeg omiljenog moderatora 
Pratimo, pratimo nego to brzo završi pa da staviš na 1. stranicu da se lakše pronađe.
Uz to bi mogao nabaciti koju novu sličicu na 1. stranicu sad kad Tiny više ne funkcionira, izgleda ružno onako izbrisano. |
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mladjo
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DiSkAcH
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Posted - 12/11/2019 : 18:59:12
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quote: Originally posted by Jerry Krause
Izgleda da bi još 3 NN knjige po Dadinim najavama trebale izaći do kraja godine.
Pa u neko vrijeme su rekli da ide 6 komada, i od tada su izbacili 13,71 i ovaj reboot koji se sastoji od 2 knjige, dakle dobivamo 1 pride. 
EDIT: A možda sam ja i nešto pobrkao, pa su rekli 7 ili 8 knjiga.  |
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Edited by - DiSkAcH on 12/11/2019 19:13:38 |
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Jerry Krause
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Posted - 13/11/2019 : 12:37:32
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quote: Originally posted by DiSkAcH
quote: Originally posted by Jerry Krause
Izgleda da bi još 3 NN knjige po Dadinim najavama trebale izaći do kraja godine.
Pa u neko vrijeme su rekli da ide 6 komada, i od tada su izbacili 13,71 i ovaj reboot koji se sastoji od 2 knjige, dakle dobivamo 1 pride. 
EDIT: A možda sam ja i nešto pobrkao, pa su rekli 7 ili 8 knjiga. 
Pa ovoliko su i najavili da će biti do kraja godine. S ove najavljene 3 bi trebalo biti sve po planu. |
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Jerry Krause
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Posted - 13/11/2019 : 12:38:37
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Evo malo statistike od Dade s Libellusovog foruma:
quote: Evo i nekoliko zanimljivosti što se tiče izdanja Nathana Nevera koja smo od svog osnutka 2004. pa sve dosad objavili (prve dvije knjige NN-a objavili smo 19.5.2006. i bila je riječ o gigantima “Dvostruka budućnost” i “Odiseja u budućnosti”):
1) od 2006. naovamo objavili smo ukupno 130 knjiga iz Nathanova univerzuma, odnosno u prosjeku 9,29 godišnje.Smile
2) Po segmentima to izgleda ovako: redovna serija – 63 knjige; specijalci – 17; almanasi – 7; giganti – 13; maxi – 4; Agencija Alfa – 18; Asteroid Argo – 3; Super Book – 3 (dva s MM-om i jedan samostalni); Godina nulta – 2 i Univerzum Alfa 2.
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risbozg
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Posted - 13/11/2019 : 13:53:17
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quote: Originally posted by Jerry Krause
Evo malo statistike od Dade s Libellusovog foruma:
quote: Evo i nekoliko zanimljivosti što se tiče izdanja Nathana Nevera koja smo od svog osnutka 2004. pa sve dosad objavili (prve dvije knjige NN-a objavili smo 19.5.2006. i bila je riječ o gigantima “Dvostruka budućnost” i “Odiseja u budućnosti”):
1) od 2006. naovamo objavili smo ukupno 130 knjiga iz Nathanova univerzuma, odnosno u prosjeku 9,29 godišnje.Smile
2) Po segmentima to izgleda ovako: redovna serija – 63 knjige; specijalci – 17; almanasi – 7; giganti – 13; maxi – 4; Agencija Alfa – 18; Asteroid Argo – 3; Super Book – 3 (dva s MM-om i jedan samostalni); Godina nulta – 2 i Univerzum Alfa 2.
posjedujem sve osim ...Asteroid Argo – 3.., to mi je totalno sr...  |
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