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Jerry Krause
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Posted - 13/12/2019 : 23:51:41
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quote: Originally posted by Kerempir
Pročitao Ponovno rođenje.
Dakle, kako je rečeno, Medda je iznova reinterpretirao Nathanov život nakon osobne tragedije a prije početka rada za Agenciju Alfu. Priča nije dio glavne narativne linije u redovnom serijalu, premda iznova kombinira likove i elemente iz te glavne priče i premda je fora što dok se Medda drži osnovne priče iz glavnog "kontinuuma" (Nathan lovi Macea koji mu je ubio ženu i oteo kćer) i pritom miksa elemente koji su u tom "kontinuumu" vremenski udaljeni, to može povremeno dovesti do zbunjujuće motivacije likova.
I dok je ok što je opširnije pokriven period koji nam je zapravo slabo poznat iz glavnog kontinuuma (Nathanov život prije početka rada za Alfu, odnos Macea i Ann, Reiserov trud za osnivanje agencije itd.), opet dolazimo do problema da novi čitatelji koji ne poznaju redovnog Nathana, mogli bi biti zbunjeni tko je sad ovaj ili onaj lik, zašto se tako ponašaju i sl.
Nathan je skroz nesimpatičan. Jasno mi je zašto je okorjeo ali problem je što cijelo vrijeme imam dojam kao da je robot koji pokušava naći Macea i Ann ne zbog emocija poput osvete, grižnje savjesti, želje da nađe kćer, već zato što mu robotska logika nalaže da se od njega to očekuje.
Crtež nažalost ne pomaže popravljanju dojma, u najboljem slučaju ga mogu opisati kao prolazno. Ista stvar vrijedi i za naslovnice. Nije mi najgori crtač, ali i inače u glavnoj seriji, ono mogu podnijeti Bonazzijevu jednu nacrtanu epizodu među epizodama drugih crtača, a ovdje ih imamo 6 u nizu. No dobro, to sam od Bonazzija i očekivao, ali Medda je taj koji me razočarao i čije priče inače obožavam, jer ne bi me smetalo što iznova čitamo na drugačiji način već ispričanu priču, ali nije mi se svidjelo što je ispuštena glavna Meddina osobina u pripovijedanju - emotivnost. Vrlo zaboravljivo, a nisam mislio da će mi Vignina Godina Nulta biti bolja.
Napokon pročitao i ja.
Moram te odmah poklopiti, odmah me je ubola u oči ova tvoja zadnja rečenica. I dalje stojim pri svojoj davnoj konstataciji da je Vignina Godina Nulta čisto smeće kojoj je jedini cilj bio provocirati čitateljevo strpljenje i emocije poigravajući se s Nathanovim likom kao s igračkom. Ne možeš reći da je Meddin miniserijal lošiji, sigurno da je bolji, ako ništa trezveniji, logičniji i svakako tečniji. Medda je majstor naracije, njegova je priča puno logičnija, ima glavu i rep za razliku od kletog Vigne kojem je samo bilo u glavi provokativnom pričom uvući se pod kožu čitatelja. Isto tako se ne slažem s Bonazzijem, shvaćam da nije omiljen među čitateljima, ali ovdje se baš potrudio. Onaj njegov prljaviji stil koji je mnoge iritirao ovdje je nestao. Dosta se potrudio oko likova koji su odrađeni s više pažnje. Možda su zbog toga postali malo plastičniji, ali bez obzira na to ovo je za mene bio iznenađujuće dobar Bonazzi.
Ono s čime bih se složio s tobom i što i mene najviše bode u oči je sami Nathan. Ovog Nathana teško da bih ikad zavolio, uopće mi nije emotivan. Potpuno ukočenih kretnji i radnji, niti malo emotivnosti u njegovim postupcima, čak u nekim situacijama iritantan. Sama priča oko osnivanja agencije je vrlo dobro dočarana, sviđa mi se što Medda miksa starije i novije elemente iz serijala, robot C-09 je zakon, odlična je i postavka da su ovdje Sigmund i Nathan prijatelji od djetinjstva mada to nije u potpunosti razrađeno. Sara mi je za razliku od Vignina miniserijala baš faca, Medda odmah Legsicu stavlja u lezbo-bar, Ned Mace je faca negativac. Sama razrada cijele priče je solidna i većina elemenata se čini ok, ali...
Nathan, baš ono što čini dušu serijala... nema onog našeg Nathana. Kao da mu je Medda u pokušaju da napravi drugačiju perspektivu postavke serijala, isisao dušu. To mi baš fali i kad bi teoretski sad započeo serijal s postavkom iz ovog miniserijala ne znam baš da li bih uživao u njemu kao što sad uživam. |
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ivanl
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Posted - 14/12/2019 : 00:40:35
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Nisam jos ni taknuo, samo kupio, bez listanja. Ceka me citanje/proucavanje kad se vratim doma. Vjerujem da je tesko, nakon toliko stotina procitanih Nathanovih epizoda sa razradenim melankolicnim junakom, dozivljavati neku novu, drugaciju osobnost naseg junaka. Ali sticem dojam da su ovi mini serijali okej, po vasim impresijama. Meni nije bila losa ni Godina nulta. Uglavnom, procitati cu to ponovo, skupa s ovim novim mini serijalom. |
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Kerempir
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Posted - 16/12/2019 : 08:58:39
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Kada kažem da je bolja Godina nulta, ne govorim da je za ocjenu dvije bolji, tu su mi negdje.
Radi se o sljedećem, usprkos nebulozama Vigna me držao napetim do kraja kada me zadnjom stranicom natjerao da ga na glas opsujem i skoro zavitlam strip prema zidu. No povukao je nekakvu emociju.
Medda, ne mogu poreći, usprkos crtežu radnja je puno logičnija, ima dobre momente, ali imao sam puno veća očekivanja od tog meni inače omiljenog autora, a cijelo vrijeme mi je bilo dosadnjikavo sa pitanjem kada će konačno postati zanimljivo (ili završiti).
Btw, dobre su nove recke, čitam ih, čitam, svaka čast.
I također vesele me novi stripovi u najavi. |
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Posted - 21/12/2019 : 05:20:27
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Ide mi na nerve ovaj signore Giardo, ali ovaj mu Nathan na ovoj naslovnici i u ovoj kompoziciji slike, moze proci. Usprkos ovom predizioniranom, megalomanskom, neskladnom oruzju. |
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Jerry Krause
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Posted - 22/12/2019 : 17:28:36
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quote: 72. knjiga Nathana Nevera drugo je izdanje u našoj dvanaestoj ovogodišnjoj turi koja bi za nekoliko dana trebala biti u prodaji, a epizode (213-215) koje vas čekaju u njoj su:
CRVENA UZBUNA (Stefano Piani / Andrea Cascioli) KRTICA (Stefano Piani / Andrea Cascioli) NA GRANICAMA “TERITORIJA” (Mirko Perniola / Matteo Resinanti & Sergio Giardo)
Navedene priče u Italiji su izvorno objavljene u razdoblju od veljače do travnja 2009., a autor svih naslovnica je naš dragi prijatelj Roberto De Angelis!
Regularna cijena 72. Nathanove bit će 195 kuna, a tijekom prva dva mjeseca moći ćete je kupiti za 156 HRK.
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Jerry Krause
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Posted - 22/12/2019 : 17:29:24
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quote: Četvrto izdanje u našoj zadnjoj ovogodišnjoj turi koja bi sutra trebala ugledati svjetlo dana nosi naslov “Bezimeni užas” i riječ je o 18. specijalcu Nathana Nevera koji je u Italiji izvorno objavljen u prosincu 2008. godine.[smile]
Autori ove pustolovine su sjajni Stefano Vietti (scenarij) i Paolo Di Clemente (crtež), a naslovnicu - kao i obično - potpisuje fenomenalni Roberto De Angelis.
Inače, u “Bezimenom užasu” i svi ljubitelji Martina Mystèrea će doći na svoje jer upravo u ovoj epizodi čeka vas nova suradnja Nathana Nevera i DSSM-a![cool]
Regularna cijena 18. specijalca Nathana Nevera bit će 150 kuna, a tijekom prva dva mjeseca moći ćete ga kupiti za 120 kn.
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Posted - 22/12/2019 : 17:30:43
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quote: Peto izdanje u turi koja će sutra ugledati svjetlo dana je 8. almanah Nathana Nevera, a epizode i autori koji vas čekaju unutra su:
Luna 51 (Bepi Vigna / Patrizia Mandanici & Silvia Corbetta)
Izdajnik (Bepi Vigna / Romeo Toffanetti)
Priče iz ove knjige izvorno su u Italiji objavljene u srpnju 2007. i 2008. godine, a osim njih u ovom almanahu čeka vas ne jedan, nego čak dva sjajna teksta Danijela Kuzmića (u kojima je savršeno detaljno priveo kraju povijest sukoba između Zemlje i Orbitalnih postaja) te nastavak kronologije čitanja za lakše praćenje kompliciranog (ali ujedno i predivnog!) Nathanovog univerzuma.
Regularna 8. almanaha Nathana Nevera bit će 160 kuna, a tijekom prva dva mjeseca moći ćete ga kupiti za 128 kn.
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Jerry Krause
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Posted - 01/01/2020 : 22:43:56
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quote: Originally posted by solar
Ako postoji savršeni spoj u recenzentskom svemiru, to mora da je ovo - Jerry, Nathan i stomatologija!
 
Da ovo nisam recenzirao grizao bih sam sebe. |
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Jerry Krause
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Posted - 01/01/2020 : 23:04:05
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Eh moj Nathane... svaka ti čast na prošloj godini...
Malo sam pripit... neko odlično vino... ali hajdemo malo sagledati godinu:
- 15 novih knjiga (13 Libellus + 2 ČK) - 38 novih epizoda - prosjek više od 3 epizode po mjesecu - 4 regularca s novim epizodama - 1 regularac sa starim - po 1 specijalac, maxi, almanah i AA - Universo Alfa, nova edicija s prve dvije epizode - dva nova miniserijala od različitih izdavača - i Čarobna knjiga se uključila u priču oko Nathana
Nazdravimo još jednu za Nathana... |
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Posted - 02/01/2020 : 12:52:01
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Nazdravimo svakako. Zadovoljavajuc broj knjiga, ali moglo bi i jace obzirom koliko Nathan ima podserijala. Svaka cast za Ck ali nakaskat ce se oni za LL-om... |
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Dragi nathanovci nadam se da niste zaboravili na naseg dragog clana thekidea, koji nas je pre godinu dana napustio. Bas sam sad gledao neke recenzije i naisao na njegovu recenziju Mister NOove price Povratak u Njujork. I bas sam se rastuzio kada sam se setio da nas je tako mlad covek napustio.
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Posted - 02/01/2020 : 23:26:58
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quote: Originally posted by Jerry Krause
Eh moj Nathane... svaka ti čast na prošloj godini...
Malo sam pripit... neko odlično vino... ali hajdemo malo sagledati godinu:
- 15 novih knjiga (13 Libellus + 2 ČK) - 38 novih epizoda - prosjek više od 3 epizode po mjesecu - 4 regularca s novim epizodama - 1 regularac sa starim - po 1 specijalac, maxi, almanah i AA - Universo Alfa, nova edicija s prve dvije epizode - dva nova miniserijala od različitih izdavača - i Čarobna knjiga se uključila u priču oko Nathana
Nazdravimo još jednu za Nathana...
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Posted - 03/01/2020 : 11:49:38
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quote: Originally posted by going going
Dragi nathanovci nadam se da niste zaboravili na naseg dragog clana thekidea, koji nas je pre godinu dana napustio. Bas sam sad gledao neke recenzije i naisao na njegovu recenziju Mister NOove price Povratak u Njujork. I bas sam se rastuzio kada sam se setio da nas je tako mlad covek napustio.
Nema dana da ne pročitam neki njegov post ili članak. Nadam se da nas promatra negdje gore s nekog boljeg mjesta. |
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Posted - 03/01/2020 : 13:46:44
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quote: Originally posted by Jerry Krause
quote: Originally posted by going going
Dragi nathanovci nadam se da niste zaboravili na naseg dragog clana thekidea, koji nas je pre godinu dana napustio. Bas sam sad gledao neke recenzije i naisao na njegovu recenziju Mister NOove price Povratak u Njujork. I bas sam se rastuzio kada sam se setio da nas je tako mlad covek napustio.
Nema dana da ne pročitam neki njegov post ili članak. Nadam se da nas promatra negdje gore s nekog boljeg mjesta.
I ja se tome iskreno nadam.
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Posted - 04/01/2020 : 09:25:46
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quote: Originally posted by ReemCP
@Jerry - baš mi se svidjela tvoja friško objavljena recenzija Nathana :) Pogotovo taj zadnji odlomčić (jer znam da si već pisao čime se baviš pa je fora ispala ta zadnja misao)
Ako ti se bude dalo, baci usput pogled na Kit Teller temu, ovaj post: http://forum.stripovi.com/topic.asp?whichpage=-2&TOPIC_ID=39814&REPLY_ID=2294907

Da, nije neka sofisticirana tehnologija kao u Nathanu, ali činjenica da nitko nije čuo pacijente doktora Knoxa da viču dok im ovaj vadi zube! 
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