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motorista
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Posted - 17/10/2020 : 19:12:13
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Da li se nešto promenilo u aktuelnim epizodama u odnosu na period JA sage?
Prekinuo sam redovnog VČ Zagora oko 100. broja (orig. oko 670.) jer su me priče redovno uspavljivale; mislim kako neke nisam ni pročitao. Onaj narativni luk je delovao usiljeno, kao kada sam iz nekakve šatro obesti u jednoj rečenici pisao pismeni iz srpskog od tri strane.
Stare priče su mi stabilnije, zaokružene i čitljive — i one koje čitam po prvi put, dakle otpada nostalgija.
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going going
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Posted - 17/10/2020 : 19:47:16
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quote: Originally posted by motorista
Da li se nešto promenilo u aktuelnim epizodama u odnosu na period JA sage?
Prekinuo sam redovnog VČ Zagora oko 100. broja (orig. oko 670.) jer su me priče redovno uspavljivale; mislim kako neke nisam ni pročitao. Onaj narativni luk je delovao usiljeno, kao kada sam iz nekakve šatro obesti u jednoj rečenici pisao pismeni iz srpskog od tri strane.
Stare priče su mi stabilnije, zaokružene i čitljive — i one koje čitam po prvi put, dakle otpada nostalgija.
Manje vise se slazem sa tvojim zakljuckom. I ja sam stao oko 111. broja VCa s kupovinom i onda nastavi od originalnog #600 pa nadalje kupujem redovno, nadoknadicu tu rupu uskoro nadam se. Koliko sam cuo price koje se nalaze izmedju kraja JA sage i #600 su jako dobre (od tih prica sam procitoa samo Helgetjt u plamenu i Kaufmanov ZOO vrt i slazem se da su ako ne odlicne, onda jako dobre epizode). A moje iskustvo s ovim pricama od originalnog #600 pa nadalje je da su to vecinim jako, jako slabe price. Povratak Helingena i Smirnofa su katastrofa, Povratak plavuse je mlak, isto vazi i za Takedu koji je uzasno dosadan. Nema ni jedne price koja tu nesto preterano odskace kvalitetom nazalost. Vecinom su jako, jako slabe price i lose razdoblje za Zagora ja bih rekao. |
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Curunir
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Posted - 17/10/2020 : 22:24:15
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quote: Originally posted by going going
quote: Originally posted by Curunir
No valjda se SVI možemo složiti da su munje u pozadini loše i beskrvne, a brojem užasno pretjerane.
Mislim da je to zato sto je jedan od ovih likova iza Zagora Thunderman, Covek munja, stari Zagorov nerpijatelj kog je Sclavi stvorio i koji se sada vraca posle 35 godina.
Naravno da je zbog toga, valjda toliko znam Mislio sam na to da su nacrtane veoma loše. |
Ne upuštajte se u raspravu s budalama, spustit ce vas na svoju razinu, a potom vas zatuci iskustvom. |
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Combatrock
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going going
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Posted - 19/10/2020 : 00:58:29
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Zagor Odabrane price #53 Price iz Plezent Pointa
Sada vec tradicionalno u najnovijim Odabranim pricama Veselog cetvrtka nas ocekuje nedavno izasli italijanski Zagor Maxi koji je neka vrsta omnibusa labavo objedinjena glavnom pricom. Ovo je vec cetvrti takav maxi. Kvalitet scenarija i nije na zavidnom nivou, ali mislim da se ovaj strip i ne nabavlja i ne cita zbog toga, nego zbog ,,svezih" ideja koji scenaristi pokusavaju da nam predstave u svojim kratkim pricama, a najvise zasigurno zbog crteza. Novi crtaci u kombinaciji sa starim, slobodnije kadriranje, postavka resetke i montazom celokupne stranice. To je najinteresantnije sto nam ovaj strip pruza i tu bih odmah izdvojio crtaca koji se potpisuje pseudonimom OSKAR, koji je tako vesto vizuelno ispricao svoju pricu, smelim kadriranjem i montazom koja deluje tako prirodno, fluidno i uspesno prica pricu. Uz to Oskar odlicno crta Zagora, postujuci njegovu fizionomiju i crte lica, tako da ne moze niko da kuka kako njegov Zagor ne lici na pravog Zagora. Voleo bih da vidim vise OSKARA i na redovnoj seriji, kao sto i iz prethodnog ovog omnibusa zelim da vidim jos Val Romeo.
Pored Oskara, uvek je zadovoljstvo videti Barisona kojeg takodje krase sve vizuelne pripovedacke vrline koje krase i Oskara, jos i vise, jer je Barison iskusniji crtac sa vise godina staza. Sto vise Barisona to bolje! Takodje je bilo lepo videti i Chiarollu, koji se neobicno potrudio i cija linija je neuobicajeno za njega vrlo cista i kontrastna bez preteranih crtica i poteza koji su tako karakteristicni za njega. Da li je to zbog toga sto se njegova prica desava u sneznoj okolini ili mu je cak mozda neko i pomogao iz redakcije tokom crtanja ove epizodice (ipak Chiarolla ima dosta godina) ne znam, ali svideo mi se njegov crtez. Vrlo dobar je i Kristijano Spadavekija, a i Luidji Kopola, ali ipak ni blizu nivoa Barisona i Oskara.
Najgori je, bez sumnje, Valter Veturi ciji crtez sve vise lici na neku grotesknu karikaturu i vise odgovara Alan Fordu nego Zagoru. A u pocetku je Venturi toliko obecavao svojim crtezom, a sada je postao najvece razocarenje i ni malo se ne radujem epizodama koje on crta. Dzabe mu to sto voli da dolazi kod nas na festivale i da se druzi i sto je jako prijatan i simpatican covek, kad se uopste ne trudi oko Zagora ili primenjuje stil koji nije odgovarajuci. I to bi glavni urednik trebalo da mu kaze. Ali svi znamo ko je glavni urednik. Burattinijeva prica koja okuplja sve je eto smesna i banalna i to moze da prodje, ali scenario za Venturijevu pricu je jos grozniji od Venturijevog crteza.
Lepo za opustiti mozak na sat i po vremena iako u nekim trenucima ima previse teksta pa je pomalo naporno za citanje. Ali eto Oskar, Barison i Chiarolla vade pricu.
Prica: 5 Scenario: 6 Crtez: 8 Naslovna strana: 9
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jagodanbg
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Posted - 20/10/2020 : 15:52:08
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quote: Originally posted by wesskowaz
Mislim da nema edicije. Nešto poput Majke i očevi.
Bas tako su objasnili na Instagramu. Kao ovo je "za nestrpljive fanove"  |
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going going
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Posted - 20/10/2020 : 17:40:37
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quote: Originally posted by delboj
quote: Originally posted by wesskowaz
Mislim da nema edicije. Nešto poput Majke i očevi.
Znači da to kad izađe ubacim kao broj 3 u ovoj kategoriji https://www.stripovi.com/index.asp?page=search&header=0&Name=&Heroes=DD&What=HR&Publisher=VCSP&ITPublisher=All&Author=All&list=off&sort=Publisher%2CNum%2CHero&cnt=20&submit=Tra%9Ei
Da, moze tu.
Ja vala necu kupiti ovo izdanje kao sto nisam ni DD Dnevnik. Ionako ce #400 da izadje za 2, 3 godine u redovnoj seriji. Nije ovo kao Majke i Ocevi gde ipak imamo i #100 koji odavno nije objavljen kod nas, zatim Mater Morbi na velikom formatu sa onim novim prologom u boji i Mater Dolorosa gde prelepi Cavenagov crtez u velikom formatu dolazi najbolje do izrazaja. I to sve lepo upakovano tekstovima i dodacima i to mi je super za specijalno izdanje povodom 30 godina. Ali #400 je potpuno nepotreban u ovakvom izdanju. Bolje da pojacaju tempo DD kolekcionarskih knjiga, necemo nikad doci do silnih dobrih Sklavijevih prica izmedju #100 i #200, a da ne spominjem kako nikad necemo stici do Carobnog frulasa. A bas bi bilo gotivno celu redovnu serju tako imati: do #211 u kolekocionarskim knjigama a nadalje u redovnoj seriji svescicama od VC. |
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Posted - 20/10/2020 : 17:50:28
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Imajući u vidu tempo biblioteke DD u poslednjih nekoliko godina, sumnjam da će stići i do broja 100. Nažalost. |
Moja domovina je mene dala ovu koru bijelog hleba, sretne ljude, srecnu mladost, velik komad vedrog neba... |
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delboj
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Posted - 20/10/2020 : 18:46:43
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quote: Originally posted by going going
Bolje da pojacaju tempo DD kolekcionarskih knjiga, necemo nikad doci do silnih dobrih Sklavijevih prica izmedju #100 i #200, a da ne spominjem kako nikad necemo stici do Carobnog frulasa. A bas bi bilo gotivno celu redovnu serju tako imati: do #211 u kolekocionarskim knjigama a nadalje u redovnoj seriji svescicama od VC.
Pa posljednja je izašla 06.12.2018, davno je to bilo, ko zna kad će nastaviti. |
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Posted - 20/10/2020 : 19:51:54
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I ja necu uzeti #400 preko reda, nestrpljiv jesam, ali ne bas toliko da ga citam izvan konteksta celog jednog ciklusa. |
Bistro i duboko nebo utociste pruza! |
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ivanl
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Posted - 21/10/2020 : 14:05:05
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Zna li tko zasto ovaj Dylan 400 izlazi ranije? I hoce li biti poseban, kao Majke i ocevi/Dnevnik, hc, veci, ili sto? |
Los cukar na fritulama! |
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jagodanbg
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Posted - 21/10/2020 : 14:47:03
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quote: Originally posted by jagodanbg
quote: Originally posted by wesskowaz
Mislim da nema edicije. Nešto poput Majke i očevi.
Bas tako su objasnili na Instagramu. Kao ovo je "za nestrpljive fanove" 
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Lex
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Posted - 21/10/2020 : 18:56:09
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quote: Originally posted by ivanl
Zna li tko zasto ovaj Dylan 400 izlazi ranije? I hoce li biti poseban, kao Majke i ocevi/Dnevnik, hc, veci, ili sto?
Mislim da je maelstrom odlučio da je to tržišno isplativ potez. :) Ali da, izaći će kao specijalno izdanje za striparnice - veći format, tvrde korice, itd... Za sve nas koji ne možemo da izdržimo još dve godine do 400ke u redovnoj seriji. :) |
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Posted - 21/10/2020 : 19:56:00
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Zahvaljujem! Jednog sigurnog kupca imaju. Meni su Majke i ocevi, te Dnevnik VC-a odlicni. Da se mene pita, jos bi bilo takvog koncepta. Prvi broj, stoti, jubilarci...naravno Dylanovih. Taljani imaju dosta takvih neuobicajenih zgodnih stvari, knjizica koja 'urla' kad je otvoris, hologramska naslovnica, DD surviving kit... |
Los cukar na fritulama! |
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