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stripofil
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Posted - 20/10/2020 : 15:21:23
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quote: Originally posted by panzer

Jasno ti je da se ljudi nisu rodili sveznajući?
Znanost nije "fiksna" ona se konstantno mijenja i razvija. Nitko ti ne brani odreći se svega što znanost donosi, sjeti se samo koliki je životni vijek bio prije 100-150 godina, a koliki je danas. Unatoč opakim planovima Gatesa i ekipe životni vijek je sve duži. 
Znanost je organizirani sustav sveukupnog ljudskog znanja stečenog opažanjem procesa i pojava u prirodi i društvu, a obrađenog racionalnim, znanstveno prihvatljivim metodama.
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Risar_69
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Posted - 20/10/2020 : 16:40:34
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Bilo koja vlada još uvijek nabija o krivdi naroda, ljudi padaju na finto. Vrlo prljava propaganda i stvarno ne razumem da ljudi ne vide, da se upoštevaju i naj alanfordovska priporočila. |
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panzer
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GGG
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Posted - 20/10/2020 : 18:55:48
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quote: Originally posted by stripofil
quote: Originally posted by panzer

Jasno ti je da se ljudi nisu rodili sveznajući?
Znanost nije "fiksna" ona se konstantno mijenja i razvija. Nitko ti ne brani odreći se svega što znanost donosi, sjeti se samo koliki je životni vijek bio prije 100-150 godina, a koliki je danas. Unatoč opakim planovima Gatesa i ekipe životni vijek je sve duži. 
Znanost je organizirani sustav sveukupnog ljudskog znanja stečenog opažanjem procesa i pojava u prirodi i društvu, a obrađenog racionalnim, znanstveno prihvatljivim metodama.
https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Znanost
Kod DDT veliko je pitanje, koliko (i ako!) su bolji pesticidi koji su ga zamjenili. Naravno, da bi bilo optimalno probleme sa insektima rješavati na druge načine, ali u okviru pesticida DDT nije najgori izbor - drugi pesticidi, koji su kao bolje biorazgradljivi i "sigurniji", nisu toliko učinkoviti, pa se moraju upotrbljavati veče količine i u kračim vremenskim razmacima, tako, da je na dugi rok opterečenje okoliša isto. DDT je u prvom redu žrtva PR-a (Silent spring) a u drugom američkog shvačanja slobodnog tržišta i neregulirane upotrebe.
Slična situacija i sa heroinom koji je došao na loš glas kao droga kriminalaca, dok su oksikodon i hidroksikodon i njihova zloupotreba odnjeli puno više života, ali su, jebi ga, farmaceutski proizvodi (Da ne spominjem fentanil). Kako god opiati su jedna od najstarijih ljekova/droga, a danas ih je u upotrebi preko 50... |
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lwood
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Posted - 20/10/2020 : 20:34:36
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quote: Originally posted by Risar_69
Avstralija uvaja digitalno vstopno karto, ki bo kmalu vsebovala tudi digitalni certifikat o cepljenju. Napovedi tistih, ki jih označujete za teoretike zarote, se počasi uresničujejo. Ko bo to prešlo v passporte sploh ne boš mogel potovati v tujino brez da bi imel v sistemu zabeleženo da si cepljen. Kontrola, nadzor in sledenje se stopnjujejo pod pretvezo napredka in zdravstvene zaščite.
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depresivni iskompleksirani primitivac i nadrkana budala |
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GGG
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Posted - 20/10/2020 : 23:14:49
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quote: Originally posted by lwood
quote: Originally posted by Risar_69
Avstralija uvaja digitalno vstopno karto, ki bo kmalu vsebovala tudi digitalni certifikat o cepljenju. Napovedi tistih, ki jih označujete za teoretike zarote, se počasi uresničujejo. Ko bo to prešlo v passporte sploh ne boš mogel potovati v tujino brez da bi imel v sistemu zabeleženo da si cepljen. Kontrola, nadzor in sledenje se stopnjujejo pod pretvezo napredka in zdravstvene zaščite.
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Mama, cijepi me, ja bi za Australiju! |
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drogsy
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Posted - 21/10/2020 : 10:32:44
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Jbte, u sloveniji zabrana okupljanja od 6 ljudi, maske obavezne na otvorenom i zatvorenom, zabrana rada restorana, policijski sat... a broj zaraženih raste i raste. Zar nam treba i treći val da kolektivno shvatimo da lockdown ne djeluje? |
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tinton
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Posted - 21/10/2020 : 11:03:10
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Šta ne živiš ti u nekoj kolibi na osami, negdje među kranjskim Alpama? Kakva bi ti okupljanja s šestero ljudi organizirao? |
Dajte nam Banija Libre;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)!
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surfer
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Posted - 21/10/2020 : 12:08:40
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Pogledaj brojke za 10-14 dana, prije toga ne moze pasti, dok traje inkubacija, bit ce novozarazenih. Posvuda je bilo tako. Ne moze pasti preko noci.
quote: Originally posted by drogsy
Jbte, u sloveniji zabrana okupljanja od 6 ljudi, maske obavezne na otvorenom i zatvorenom, zabrana rada restorana, policijski sat... a broj zaraženih raste i raste. Zar nam treba i treći val da kolektivno shvatimo da lockdown ne djeluje?
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BeaGea
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Posted - 21/10/2020 : 12:22:10
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Lockdown ne djeluje (po pitan je manjeg broja zaraženih) :)))) |
Kažite mi, jeste li se umorili Jesu li vas prevarili Je l'nas vrijeme pregazilo |
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solar
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drogsy
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Posted - 21/10/2020 : 12:51:53
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quote: Originally posted by tinton
Šta ne živiš ti u nekoj kolibi na osami, negdje među kranjskim Alpama? Kakva bi ti okupljanja s šestero ljudi organizirao?
nažalost, ne živim na osami. Ja i kolege Hrvati imamo običaj ići na tenis jednom tjedno, i to još uvijek možemo, ali mislio sam na okupljanja tipa kad mi izađemo iz firme i čekamo dostavu hranu, pa nas bude dvadeset na kupu. |
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drogsy
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Posted - 21/10/2020 : 12:53:32
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quote: Originally posted by surfer
Pogledaj brojke za 10-14 dana, prije toga ne moze pasti, dok traje inkubacija, bit ce novozarazenih. Posvuda je bilo tako. Ne moze pasti preko noci.
quote: Originally posted by drogsy
Jbte, u sloveniji zabrana okupljanja od 6 ljudi, maske obavezne na otvorenom i zatvorenom, zabrana rada restorana, policijski sat... a broj zaraženih raste i raste. Zar nam treba i treći val da kolektivno shvatimo da lockdown ne djeluje?
Ma naravno da ne može odmah pasti, past će na proljeće kad zatopli i kad se smanji broj testiranja, kao i prvi put |
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surfer
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Posted - 21/10/2020 : 13:03:52
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Tu gdje ja zivim, nije bilo i nece biti tako. Ima vec 2.000.000 testova. Bolje masovno testiranje nego masovno zatvaranje. O kojoj ti drzavi pricas, to ne znam. |
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GGG
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Posted - 21/10/2020 : 13:06:55
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quote: Originally posted by drogsy
Jbte, u sloveniji zabrana okupljanja od 6 ljudi, maske obavezne na otvorenom i zatvorenom, zabrana rada restorana, policijski sat... a broj zaraženih raste i raste. Zar nam treba i treći val da kolektivno shvatimo da lockdown ne djeluje?
Današnje mjere daju rezultat nakon 1 ili čak 2 tjedna.
A kao što sam več prije pisao, u Sloveniji se je održao "tihi plebiscit" na kojem je odlučeno, da Covid 19 nije problem., Znači, ako ne idu družanja i proslave unutra, ide se van, a ako se i to zabrani idemo u privatne podrume.... Ako smije u trgovinu samo jedan po jedan, onda se napravi grupa izvan trgovine..
Večina mjera, kao što su policijski sat, zabrana kretanja i homeschooling su više kontra nezahvalnom pučanstvu, nego nešto, što bi trebalao smanjiti broj inficiranih. Imam čak osječaj, da je večina privrede na tiho prihvatila činjenicu, da je manji problem to, da korona "odradi svoje", nego lockdown, nakon kojeg si opet na točki nula i jovo na novo. Največi problem slovenske, ali i večine drugih evropskih administracija je to što su u stanju pratiti samo populaciju, koja tako ili drugačije "bilježi" svoju aktivnost, dok je sve izvan toga neka dinamika za koju nemaju ni načina, ni ideja (a još manje volje i interesa), kako ju pratiti, pa se zato tuče po onom što se može. |
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panzer
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Risar_69
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 21/10/2020 : 21:25:31
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quote: Originally posted by stripofil
quote: Originally posted by DODSFERD
Evo provjerio sam kako relevantni malac sa youtubea kaže.
U 26 EU država u periodu od 3. do 6. mjeseca (ukupno 4 mjeseca) zabilježen je višak od 168.000 smrtnih slučajeva u odnosu na prosjek za prethodne četiri godine.
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/11438257/3-19102020-BP-EN.pdf/cc763e0b-38c3-f99f-1f9c-81fa5f3d3850
Na nivou 31 EU države taj broj raste na gotovo 230.000 slučajeva.
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Weekly_death_statistics&stable
Siguran sam da jutjuberi imaju logično objašnjenje za te brojke, ipak su oni sveznajući i do podataka dolaze stručnim korištenjem googlea iz udobnosti vlastitog doma. 
Da li u taj ''višak'' umrlih ulaze i oni kojima su spaljena pluća zbog nepotrebno visokog pritiska na respiratorima? https://youtu.be/h4VHHFQJQPw?t=1083 Da li u taj ''višak'' umrlih ulaze i oni koji su se neposredno prije pojave korone cijepili novim cjepivom odobrenim u EU tek prošle godine? https://www.logicno.com/hrana-zdravlje/sto-se-zapravo-desilo-u-bergamu-i-zasto-se-vise-nije-ponovilo.html Nisam čuo da je momak u videu pričao o cijeloj ili određenom dijelu EU, ali kad već to spominješ da pitam. Zašto bi se zadržavali samo na EU kad se virus proširio na cijeli svijet, pa hajmo pogledati kakva je situacija po pitanju umrlih općenito u svijetu. Za primjer ću uzeti prošlu godinu jer ići dalje u prošlost nema smisla zbog drastične razlike u broju stanovnika. 2019. godine u svijetu je umrlo oko 58,4 milijuna ljudi. https://ourworldindata.org/births-and-deaths Za ovu godinu brojčanik pokazuje trenutnih 47,5 milijuna umrlih. https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ Do kraja godine je preostao 71 dan, uzevši u obzir da dnevno umire oko 155 000 ljudi to će ispasti još oko 11 milijuna, što će na kraju godine doći do približno iste brojke kao i 2019. Ako bude koja stotina tisuća više (pa čak i pola milijuna) to je sasvim normalna pojava jer svijet godišnje dobije 75-80 milijuna novih stanovnika, a ova godina ima još jedan dan više. Nije u redu vaditi podatke iz samo određenog perioda za određenu skupinu država, gledajmo cijeli svijet da bude poštenije i mjerodavnije. Uglavnom, ništa se drastično neće promijeniti po pitanju umrlih u odnosu na prošlu godinu, treba samo malo logičnije pogledati na stvari da bi se to vidjelo. |
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DODSFERD
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Posted - 21/10/2020 : 21:53:27
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Društvene mreže ne brišu samo teme koje su zabranjene, oni brišu i stručnjake iz određenih područja, čija priča se ne uklapa u njihovu agendu, tj. njihovu verziju istine. To se najviše odnosi na doktore kojima je zabranjeno pričati o korona virusu, osim ako govore o tome koliko je strašan i smrtonosan. Onda može. Virolog i nobelovac Luc Montagnier, čovjek koji je otkrio virus HIV-a, izjavio je kako je korona napravljena u laboratoriju sa dodanim elementima HIV-a. On je ekspresno cenzuriran, dok s druge strane, ljudi poput Billa Gatesa iznose svoje medicinske savjete bez ikakvih problema.
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