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Washington početkom sedamdesetih godina 19. stoljeća. Matthew Montgomery na važnom je položaju u Ministarstvu obrane. Rigidan je čovjek čvrstih stavova koji poštuje pravila i kojem se život odjednom raspada: po povratku kući zatječe suprugu i kćer silovane i masakrirane. Jedini tragovi nožem su urezana zvijezda neobična oblika na kćerinim prsima i ime Jasona Cauldraya iz Topeke. Montgomery kreće u potjeru za počiniteljima. Pa i na kraj svijeta, ako treba…
Kolorka 214 • Pustinjska zvijezda • 124 stranica • Kolor • 215 x 280 mm • Tvrdi uvez • Scenarij Stephen Desberg • Crtež Enrico Marini • Prijevod Mirna Sindičić Sabljo • Lektura i redaktura Aleksandar Gucunski • Dizajn Melina Mikulić • Datum objavljivanja 3.6.2022. • Cijena 150 Kn
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Posted - 04/06/2022 : 02:57:36
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Čitao ovo u Makondovom izdanju. Mislim da će se svideti ljubiteljima Pogrebnika, i svima koji traže blagi odmak od vesternskih klišeja tipa jahanje u suton, dvoboj u podne i slično. Ima elemente trilera i misterije, a po atmosferi je sličan drugom diptihu Pogrebnika. Kon Šoneri u glavnoj ulozi. Ostao mi strip u dobrom sećanju. Nadamo se da će Fibra izbaciti i prequel: 3. i 4. album koje je crtao Labiano.
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Shaner
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Posted - 22/07/2022 : 18:46:00
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Meh. Desberg je, sudeći po pogovoru, ovdje htio govoriti o mnogočemu, ali je to napravio poprilično slabo. Prvi dio dosadan za poludit', zvijezda iz naslova teški MacGuffin i na kraju dojam da je glavni razlog za ovakvu priču bio da Marini može crtati nasilje i (polu)gole žene. Potonji dobar kao i uvijek, ali ništa za pamćenje.
Je li taj Desberg napisao išta vanserijsko?
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Posted - 22/07/2022 : 18:52:27
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quote: Originally posted by Shaner
na kraju dojam da je glavni razlog za ovakvu priču bio da Marini može crtati nasilje i (polu)gole žene. Potonji dobar kao i uvijek, ali ništa za pamćenje.
Kao da si opisao Noir Burlesque. |
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Posted - 22/07/2022 : 20:06:13
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Slažem se sa Shanerom u vezi Pustinjske zvijezde a i ovoga vezanog za Desberga.
Sad sam provjerio: Od 21 serijala koje sam čitao nema tu po meni ništa izvanserijsko. Ni blizu. Najbolji su mi bili Billy the Cat i Jack Wolfgang. |
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Posted - 22/07/2022 : 20:26:16
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Nisam hteo prvi da zapljunem kritiku, a prvi sam koji voli western tematiku - po meni ništa od Desberga ne zaslužuje da bude među Fibrinim naslovima. |
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Posted - 22/07/2022 : 21:13:04
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quote: Originally posted by Paka01
quote: Originally posted by Shaner
na kraju dojam da je glavni razlog za ovakvu priču bio da Marini može crtati nasilje i (polu)gole žene. Potonji dobar kao i uvijek, ali ništa za pamćenje.
Kao da si opisao Noir Burlesque.
Pao mi je na pamet dok sam čitao ovo. Izgleda da je Marini od Desberga učio spisateljski zanat. 
quote: Originally posted by izivko
Slažem se sa Shanerom u vezi Pustinjske zvijezde a i ovoga vezanog za Desberga.
Sad sam provjerio: Od 21 serijala koje sam čitao nema tu po meni ništa izvanserijsko. Ni blizu. Najbolji su mi bili Billy the Cat i Jack Wolfgang.
Ja sam bacio oko na bedeteku i jedino što mi se čini imalo zanimljivo je Billy the Cat. Ako se ne varam pisao si i ovdje o njemu? To ću sigurno pročitati ako mi dopadne ruku, ostalo preskačem.
quote: Originally posted by Red Marquis
Nisam hteo prvi da zapljunem kritiku, a prvi sam koji voli western tematiku - po meni ništa od Desberga ne zaslužuje da bude među Fibrinim naslovima.
A baš bi mogao jednom. Da ne budem uvijek ja prvi.
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Posted - 23/07/2022 : 07:35:57
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quote: Originally posted by Shaner
quote: Originally posted by Paka01
quote: Originally posted by Shaner
na kraju dojam da je glavni razlog za ovakvu priču bio da Marini može crtati nasilje i (polu)gole žene. Potonji dobar kao i uvijek, ali ništa za pamćenje.
Kao da si opisao Noir Burlesque.
Pao mi je na pamet dok sam čitao ovo. Izgleda da je Marini od Desberga učio spisateljski zanat. 
quote: Originally posted by izivko
Slažem se sa Shanerom u vezi Pustinjske zvijezde a i ovoga vezanog za Desberga.
Sad sam provjerio: Od 21 serijala koje sam čitao nema tu po meni ništa izvanserijsko. Ni blizu. Najbolji su mi bili Billy the Cat i Jack Wolfgang.
Ja sam bacio oko na bedeteku i jedino što mi se čini imalo zanimljivo je Billy the Cat. Ako se ne varam pisao si i ovdje o njemu? To ću sigurno pročitati ako mi dopadne ruku, ostalo preskačem.
quote: Originally posted by Red Marquis
Nisam hteo prvi da zapljunem kritiku, a prvi sam koji voli western tematiku - po meni ništa od Desberga ne zaslužuje da bude među Fibrinim naslovima.
A baš bi mogao jednom. Da ne budem uvijek ja prvi.
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Posted - 23/07/2022 : 07:57:23
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Ni meni se ovaj western nije ni najmanje svidio. Ajde Shaneru da se još koji put složimo. :D |
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Posted - 23/07/2022 : 12:21:53
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Što bi svaki strip morao biti izvanserijski? Dovoljno je da je OK - i da se nađu neki čitaoci, kojima to bude simpatično i odgovarajuće. |
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Posted - 23/07/2022 : 13:16:56
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quote: Originally posted by alexts
Što bi svaki strip morao biti izvanserijski? Dovoljno je da je OK - i da se nađu neki čitaoci, kojima to bude simpatično i odgovarajuće.
Aj' hvala Bogu glas razuma.
Po prethodnim upisima listi nevaljalih strip djelatnika bi trebalo dodati i Desberga.
Otprije su zahvaljujući upisima/ocjenama forumaša na listi nevaljalih: Charlier, Giraud/Moebius, Hubinon, Cauvin, Goscinny, Uderzo, Morris, Breccia, Oesterheld, Magnus & Bunker, Marini itd. |
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Posted - 23/07/2022 : 13:43:20
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quote: Originally posted by alexts
Što bi svaki strip morao biti izvanserijski? Dovoljno je da je OK - i da se nađu neki čitaoci, kojima to bude simpatično i odgovarajuće.
Naravno.
Ja pitam za vanserijskog Desberga jer ovaj OK je meni bezveze. Neki drugi autor će mi biti dobar i kad je samo OK jer mi pašu njegov stil, teme ili nešto treće. Isto tako će se nekome svidjeti i ovo.
@Peyo Ne fantaziraj. Vrlo dobro znaš da Desberg ne može u rečenicu s ostalima koje si nabrojao. 
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Posted - 23/07/2022 : 14:06:21
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quote: Originally posted by Shaner @Peyo Ne fantaziraj. Vrlo dobro znaš da Desberg ne može u rečenicu s ostalima koje si nabrojao. 
Nisam ga ja s njima uspoređivao. Nego sam ga naveo kao još jedno "otkriće" na ovom forumu kao nevaljalog autora. Žalosno je da se ovi spomenuti makar i u šali stave na takvu listu, ali nažalost toga je bilo, a ti ako ne vjeruješ pročešljaj ovaj forum i naći ćeš.
Ne smeta me ni tvoja ocjena Desberga (kao što te zezamo to je dobra preporuka ).
I sam sam pisao da mi on nikako da ubode nešto za najveću ocjenu, ali to ne znači da nije vješt scenarist što se vidi i iz poveće liste stripova na kojima je radio, a ne bi bio toliko angažiran da ga publika ne prihvaća:
https://www.bedetheque.com/auteur-47-BD-Desberg-Stephen.html
Od onog što sam ja čitao dao bih mu visoku ocjenu za: Billy the Cat prve albume Mic Mac Adama (škotski detektiv u stilu Dylan doga s dosta humora) Tif et Tondu (neki njegovi albumi su mi dobri, a neki baš i ne) Škorpiona (iako ima dosta variranja) 421 (neki albumi).
Pustinjska zvijezda je solidan strip po svim kriterijima. U Fibrinom katalogu je po kvaliteti ispred dosta naslova.
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Posted - 23/07/2022 : 14:22:25
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Od Marinija sam čitao njegovog Batmana i Noir Burlesque. To mi nisu čak ni dobri stripovi, naprotiv jako su mi loši. |
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Posted - 23/07/2022 : 15:51:13
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quote: Originally posted by Shaner @Peyo Ne fantaziraj. Vrlo dobro znaš da Desberg ne može u rečenicu s ostalima koje si nabrojao. 
Nisam ga ja s njima uspoređivao. Nego sam ga naveo kao još jedno "otkriće" na ovom forumu kao nevaljalog autora. Žalosno je da se ovi spomenuti makar i u šali stave na takvu listu, ali nažalost toga je bilo, a ti ako ne vjeruješ pročešljaj ovaj forum i naći ćeš.
Pa šta i ako jesu spominjani na taj način? Zašto bi stripadžije bile drugačije od bibliofila, filmofila...svi imaju svoje ukuse/neukuse. Nikom glava ne treba da otpadne sve i ako napišu da su The Godfather, Stranac od Camusa ili Watchmen bezveze.
I da, Desberg je prosek i ne spada među te autore koje si spomenuo. |
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Nisam puno Desbergovih stripova pročitao, ali ovo što sam pročitao je konfekcijski BD, ponekad bolji, a ponekad lošiji, nikad odličan i nikad jako loš. Mislim da mu je to kod izdavača i publike samo plus.
Ni Pustinjska ruža nije loš strip, samo još jedan solidni komercijalni western ili možda anti-western. Na mojoj skromnoj "Desberg listi", Ruža je bolja od IRS, a lošija od Škorpiona. U suradnji s Marinijem,dovoljno da kupim i slijedeći nastavak.
U Strip reviji, u zadnjim brojevima izašao je i Desbergov Iskupitelj (Le Redempteur). Nisam još stigao pročitati.
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Posted - 23/07/2022 : 16:02:36
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quote: Originally posted by Ernie Pike
Nisam puno Desbergovih stripova pročitao, ali ovo što sam pročitao je konfekcijski BD, ponekad bolji, a ponekad lošiji, nikad odličan i nikad jako loš. Mislim da mu je to kod izdavača i publike samo plus.
Ni Pustinjska ruža nije loš strip, samo još jedan solidni komercijalni western ili možda anti-western. Na mojoj skromnoj "Desberg listi", Ruža je bolja od IRS, a lošija od Škorpiona. U suradnji s Marinijem,dovoljno da kupim i slijedeći nastavak.
U Strip reviji, u zadnjim brojevima izašao je i Desbergov Iskupitelj (Le Redempteur). Nisam još stigao pročitati.
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Posted - 23/07/2022 : 16:09:29
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quote: Originally posted by Red Marquis Nikom glava ne treba da otpadne sve i ako napišu da su The Godfather, Stranac od Camusa ili Watchmen bezveze.
Pa naravno, ali barem znaš s kim imaš posla.
A ubjeđivati nekoga da je crno crno, a bijelo bijelo je uzaludan i besmislen posao. |
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Posted - 23/07/2022 : 16:35:29
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quote: Originally posted by Peyo
I sam sam pisao da mi on nikako da ubode nešto za najveću ocjenu, ali to ne znači da nije vješt scenarist što se vidi i iz poveće liste stripova na kojima je radio, a ne bi bio toliko angažiran da ga publika ne prihvaća:
https://www.bedetheque.com/auteur-47-BD-Desberg-Stephen.html
Naravno da ne bi bio toliko angažiran da ga publika ne prihvaća, ali to što ga publika prihvaća ne znači da je vješt scenarist. Svašta publika prihvaća. 
quote: Originally posted by Peyo
Pustinjska zvijezda je solidan strip po svim kriterijima. U Fibrinom katalogu je po kvaliteti ispred dosta naslova.
I ja bih u Fibrinom katalogu našao naslova koje bih stavio iza Pustinjske zvijezde, ali ih ne bi bilo baš puno.
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Posted - 24/07/2022 : 08:35:05
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A i IRS je njegov serijal? Tu sam uspio pročitat samo prve 2 LL knjige i odustao. Mislio sam da će biti nešto slično kao Largo Winch, međutim ne mogu se mjeriti, barem ne po meni. Očito on nije autor koji mi leži. |
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