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DusMan
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Posted - 16/08/2008 : 00:19:22
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quote: Originally posted by ridiculus
Dođem kući ne shvatajući opasnost i čeka me OVO!!!
Heh... That's me! Hvala ne vremenu, trudu i poznavanju materije. :) Odoh do ZS da vidim te fotke. |
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ordell
Senior Member
Slovenia
1899 Posts
Member since 20/08/2006 |
Posted - 16/08/2008 : 00:20:31
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quote: Originally posted by DusMan
http://www.mycomicshop.com/search?dep=14
30% popusta na Mange na MyComicShopu. Ko voli, nek izvoli.
Da bar nisam narucio dva paketa mangi par dana pre ove akcije. :(
Amazon - 9 items = 100.89$ + shipping(35.90) = 136.79$ MyCS. - 9 items = 66.96$ + shipping(10.97) = 77.93$
I poštarina je puno jeftinija. HVALA!! |
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ridiculus
Senior Member
1688 Posts
Member since 11/06/2008 |
Posted - 16/08/2008 : 00:21:30
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Evo jednog malog članka čoveka koji je još dublje od Thompsona u svetu mangi. Razlog? Taj čovek je započeo svoj blog i to mi stvara još more stvari koje moram da pročitam. Pa, pošto sam već citirao neke delove tu i tamo, evo ga u celosti. Članak je uzet iz Japan Times-a:
quote: Read before you judge
By Matthew A. Thorn
I always hesitate when someone asks me what I do for a living. Sometimes I take the easy way out and just say I'm a cultural anthropologist. Images of National Geographic flash briefly through the person's mind, and the conversation turns in another direction. When I confess that I teach budding cartoonists about comics in Japan's first and only Department of Comic Art in a four-year university, reactions are more varied, running from thinly veiled contempt to puzzlement to wild enthusiasm.
I became interested in manga, as an exchange student in Kobe nineteen years ago. Today, most exchange students coming to Japan have a basic knowledge of manga and anime before they even set foot on Japanese soil. Many develop an interest in Japan through those genres, but in those days most of us knew nothing about them beyond what we remembered from watching "Speed Racer" on TV as kids. In fact, most of us, including myself, were downright contemptuous of the grown men we saw reading comics on the trains.
It was the woman who would later become my wife who told me to read before I judged, and introduced me to such classic manga as Osamu Tezuka's "Hi no Tori" and Sanpei Shirato's "Kamui Den." But it was a work by female artist Moto Hagio, "Toma no Shinzo," that got me hooked and led me to begin my study on the readers of girls' and women's manga.
Manga account for more than a third of all unit sales of commercial publications in Japan. A survey of Japanese reading practices conducted by the Mainichi Newspaper in 2000 reported that 77 percent of men aged 16 to 49, and 47 percent of women aged 16 to 49, read manga with some regularity. Nowhere else in the world are comics produced and read in such quantity, making Japan the Hollywood of sequential art. Japan has been exporting both manga and anime to its Asian neighbors for years, but since the global Pokemon boom of the late 1990s, manga and anime have finally begun to penetrate the Anglophone market in a big way, so that the words themselves have become part of the contemporary language.
Sadly, though, the majority of manga that have been translated into English target the self-described otaku ("geek") crowd, and tend to lean heavily toward space opera, fantasy, the occult, and adolescent titillation. Not that there's anything wrong with such genres, mind you, but they represent only a slice of a very large pie. (The quality of translation has also dropped as volume has increased.)
As with any popular media, ninety percent of manga are junk, and in recent years I've seen many open-minded adults with sophisticated tastes turned off by their first encounters with third-rate manga. For those who are curious about manga and don't want to waste time on "greasy kids stuff," try one of these: "Kaze no Tani no Naushika" (Hayao Miyazaki); "Love Song" (Keiko Nishi); "A-A' " (Moto Hagio); "Black Jack" (Osamu Tezuka); "Secret Comics Japan" (various); "Domu" (Katsuhiro Otomo); "Paradise Kiss" (Ai Yazawa); and "Vagabond" (Takehiko Inoue).
Read a really good manga, and it can change your life, like one manga changed my life all those years ago.
Shukan ST: June 4, 2004
Lista predloženih dela se odnosi, naravno, na ono što je bilo pristupačno u Americi do te godine. |
Thought's the slave of life, and life Time's fool. |
Edited by - ridiculus on 16/08/2008 23:46:15 |
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DusMan
Advanced Member
5067 Posts
Member since 12/11/2001 |
Posted - 16/08/2008 : 00:24:15
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Nema na čemu. MyComicShop je meni glavna destinacija za naručivanje stripova. Doduše, samim tim što sam obnarodovao tu informaciju o popustu ovde znači da sam uvećao sebi šanse da se rasproda nešto što bi me zanimalo, ali šta ću kad sam dobar čovek... :)
Glavni problem MyComicShopa je upravo taj što je često ono što me zanima out of stock, a to na Amazonu nije TOLIKO čest slučaj. |
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ridiculus
Senior Member
1688 Posts
Member since 11/06/2008 |
Posted - 17/08/2008 : 00:08:50
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Gde smo stali...
Jing King of Bandits: Twilight Tales Ovo je drugi deo serije. Ako te već bude zanimalo, kreni od prvog, iako je ovaj deo "zreliji", tj. za (malo) stariju publiku. Prvi deo je dečji, ali je vrlo maštovit. Nisam sve čitao, ali to ti je prava bajka za moderno doba. Ono što je karakteristično je crtež i proveri da li ti leži pre nego pokušaš da čitaš/naručiš/šta god već...
Lupin III Opet nisam čitao mnogo, ali to ti je seinen manga s kraja 60-tih i nikad nisam čitao ništa slično. Distorzirani likovi, dosta humora, ima i seksa, i pre svega avanture najvećeg lopova na svetu.
Me and the Devil Blues Fenomenalan crtež, ono što se vidi na naslovnoj strani nije izuzetak, pročitao samo jedno poglavlje. Ozbiljna stvar, svakako. Ako si gledao film Crossroads, ovo ti je to. Inače, cena prvog tankobona u Japanu je 666 jena. Tako piše na koricama. |
Thought's the slave of life, and life Time's fool. |
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DusMan
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ridiculus
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1688 Posts
Member since 11/06/2008 |
Posted - 17/08/2008 : 00:40:42
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Inače, Urasawa je zaradio za poslednje dve nedelje preko 216 000 američkih dolara, pošto se Pluto broj 6 prodao u preko 450 000 primeraka u tom periodu, a autor ima zaradu 10% od cene svake prodate kopije. |
Thought's the slave of life, and life Time's fool. |
Edited by - ridiculus on 17/08/2008 00:41:39 |
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DusMan
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ridiculus
Senior Member
1688 Posts
Member since 11/06/2008 |
Posted - 17/08/2008 : 01:02:47
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Naruto 43 je prodao 735 000 ove nedelje i otišao daleko ... Verujem da je prethodne nedelje bio u prodaji samo dan-dva, otud Pluto ispred njega. |
Thought's the slave of life, and life Time's fool. |
Edited by - ridiculus on 17/08/2008 01:03:12 |
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DusMan
Advanced Member
5067 Posts
Member since 12/11/2001 |
Posted - 17/08/2008 : 01:11:40
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Pa da... Ipak se ne mogu meriti po popularnosti. Eh, jedva čekam da krene Pluto na engleskom. Šteta što će to biti tek za pola godine. Do tad ko živ, ko mrtav... :( |
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ridiculus
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ridiculus
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DusMan
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5067 Posts
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Posted - 21/08/2008 : 19:47:57
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Bah... Ok je sto neke mainstream tv (ili web live) stanice imaju segmente od 2 i po minuta o stripovima, ali ova riba nije rekla nista sto se ne moze pronaci u sizeima na netu. |
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ridiculus
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Posted - 21/08/2008 : 20:37:58
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Ma, to je tačno, nego imaš 3 mange koje te interesuju na jednom mestu, pa sam naivno pomislio da možda nisi prokrstario net uzduž i popreko (barem za Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service)...
Sada vidim da bi striptease review bio najbolje rešenje. |
Thought's the slave of life, and life Time's fool. |
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ordell
Senior Member
Slovenia
1899 Posts
Member since 20/08/2006 |
Posted - 21/08/2008 : 21:33:23
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Možda znaš za koji dokumentarni film o mangama, animejima, njenim avtorima, samom razvoju stripa u japanu... ili nešto slično? Postoji li nešto takvo?? Po mogućnosti da je na engleskom? :) |
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ridiculus
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Member since 11/06/2008 |
Posted - 21/08/2008 : 22:11:40
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quote: Originally posted by ordell
Možda znaš za koji dokumentarni film o mangama, animejima, njenim avtorima, samom razvoju stripa u japanu... ili nešto slično? Postoji li nešto takvo?? Po mogućnosti da je na engleskom? :)
Hm, sad sam se i ja zamislio ...
Gledao sam nekoliko kraćih dokumentaraca vezanih za neki specifični anime, što u Japanu izlazi na posebnom DVD-u, a u Americi na istom kao dodatak. Tu je obično intervju sa autorom i "Kako je snimano to i to".
U dodacima za Animatrix imaš dokumentarac u kojem se pojavljuje F. Schodt i to je najbolji uvod kojeg mogu da se setim, a da je na filmu, ali prilično je kratak i rađen je za ljude koji o mangama znaju malo ili ništa.
Sa Taschenovom knjigom Manga Design dobija se besplatni DVD na kojem imaš kratku turu kroz neke knjižare u Japanu, skenove nekoliko stotina naslova i 3 intervjua: Naoki Urasawa, Usamaru Furuya i Reiko Okano. Furuya je stekao moje večno poštovanje kada je izjavio da se, pre nego što je počeo da crta mange, bavio vajarstvom u kojem ništa ne praviš, već samo skupljaš postojeće predmete, i plesom u kojem se ne krećeš (pretpostavljam da je aludirao na buto).
Toliko mogu da se setim iz glave. |
Thought's the slave of life, and life Time's fool. |
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ordell
Senior Member
Slovenia
1899 Posts
Member since 20/08/2006 |
Posted - 21/08/2008 : 22:29:25
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Da, manga design i "Manga: the complete guide" su mi u planu da jih nabavim. Nego, ne mogu razumijeti da poslije toliko vremena još nema nekog "konkretnog" dokumentarca na tu temu. Jer, istini na volju, materijala ima zaista previše. |
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ridiculus
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1688 Posts
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Posted - 21/08/2008 : 22:57:49
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quote: Originally posted by ordell
Nego, ne mogu razumijeti da poslije toliko vremena još nema nekog "konkretnog" dokumentarca na tu temu. Jer, istini na volju, materijala ima zaista previše.
Ima ih u Japanu. Video sam na sajtu http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/index.html neke DVD-ove koji sadrže talk-show programe o određenim mangama. Verujem i da edukativnih emisija ima koliko ti duša ište. Međutim, čak i kada bi bilo engleskih titlova, cene japanskih DVD-ova su znatno veće nego američkih, sa manje sadržaja.
Verujem da su Francuzi možda uradili neku emisiju, za kanal Arte, recimo. |
Thought's the slave of life, and life Time's fool. |
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DusMan
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5067 Posts
Member since 12/11/2001 |
Posted - 22/08/2008 : 14:54:48
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quote: Originally posted by ridiculus
Ma, to je tačno, nego imaš 3 mange koje te interesuju na jednom mestu, pa sam naivno pomislio da možda nisi prokrstario net uzduž i popreko (barem za Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service)...
Sada vidim da bi striptease review bio najbolje rešenje.
Striptiz je uvek bolje rešenje!
Tebi hvala u svakom slučaju što misliš na mene. :) Usput, danas mi stigla ona narudžbina koju sam naveo pre par strana. Biće uživanja... |
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Mr. Bushido
stripovi.com suradnik
Croatia
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Member since 23/09/2005 |
Posted - 22/08/2008 : 15:21:21
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quote: Originally posted by ridiculus
Verujem da su Francuzi možda uradili neku emisiju, za kanal Arte, recimo.
Točno, Arte je prije par godina snimio jedan dokumentarni serijal o stripovima u sedam epizoda, pod naslovom "Comix" u kojem svaka epizoda pokriva određeni vid devete umjetnosti. Uglavnom se bave Francuzima, Uderzom, Goscinnyjem i Asterixom, Fredom i Joanom Sfarom. Ostale epizode posvećene su Chrisu Wareu, Artu Spiegelmanu, Lorenzu Mattottiju, a jedna epizoda obrađuje fenomen japanskog stripa, pri čemu je veći dio epizode sugovornik Jiro Taniguchi.
http://www.arte.tv/de/suche/741690.html
Imam svih sedam epizoda na DVD-u, sa njemačkom sinkronizacijom i titlovima. Stvarno je dobar serijal. |
Comics is any art you can read. -- Sean T. Collins |
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ridiculus
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Posted - 22/08/2008 : 17:34:41
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quote: Originally posted by DusMan Usput, danas mi stigla ona narudžbina koju sam naveo pre par strana. Biće uživanja...
I meni je juče stigla moja!
quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido Točno, Arte je prije par godina snimio jedan dokumentarni serijal o stripovima u sedam epizoda, pod naslovom "Comix" u kojem svaka epizoda pokriva određeni vid devete umjetnosti. Uglavnom se bave Francuzima, Uderzom, Goscinnyjem i Asterixom, Fredom i Joanom Sfarom. Ostale epizode posvećene su Chrisu Wareu, Artu Spiegelmanu, Lorenzu Mattottiju, a jedna epizoda obrađuje fenomen japanskog stripa, pri čemu je veći dio epizode sugovornik Jiro Taniguchi.
http://www.arte.tv/de/suche/741690.html
Imam svih sedam epizoda na DVD-u, sa njemačkom sinkronizacijom i titlovima. Stvarno je dobar serijal.
Da, po nekim emisijama koje sam gledao na Arteu, a koje se tiču popularne kulture, ličilo mi je na njih da urade tako nešto. Šteta za nedostatak materijala na engleskom! |
Thought's the slave of life, and life Time's fool. |
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ridiculus
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Posted - 22/08/2008 : 19:55:35
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quote: Originally posted by DusMan Tebi hvala u svakom slučaju što misliš na mene. :)
Čuj, ne mogu a da ne mislim na jednog od nekoliko ljudi koji bi da pojačaju prisutnost mangi na ovim prostorima... |
Thought's the slave of life, and life Time's fool. |
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DusMan
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ridiculus
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Posted - 23/08/2008 : 13:16:26
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Nema mangi ovaj put. Naručivao sam iz Amerike, preko Amazona. Međutim, vezano za Japan, dobio sam dve knjige: "Boogiepop and Others" i "Boogiepop at Dawn". Pošto je urbani horor/fantasy u pitanju, više o tome kad pročitam na Znaku Sagite. |
Thought's the slave of life, and life Time's fool. |
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ordell
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Slovenia
1899 Posts
Member since 20/08/2006 |
Posted - 23/08/2008 : 19:08:58
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Izvinjavam se na off-topicu, ali slike japanskih manga shopova su meni balzam za oči neke od njih su zaista impresivne:
popularni one piece
tabla "all 105", što znači manje od eura po komadu (1eur = 160jen)
TEZUKA!
lijepa mala privat kolekcija animeja. nešto takvo mogu(za sad) samo sanjati:(
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