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jaki
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King Warrior
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Deers
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Posted - 20/11/2008 : 00:20:21
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Ma i Nuccio je samo Verni koji se malo više trudi zato i je tako spor , tako da mislim da će za većinu biti i on razočarenje. Vidi se da on može ali prespor je ,a ako želiš izgraditi stil moraš malo više epizoda nacrtat a ne samo jednu ili ni tu još..... D'Arcangelo je dokaz da i crtež za manje detalja i pozadine može izgledat dinamično a ne kao kod Vernija. Zato ne vidim čemu to pljuvanje po D'arcangelu kad on sa svojim crtežom može ići crtati bilo di , mislin nije nešto posebno ali ima svoj stil i mot, dok verni može proći samo kod Bonellija koji se sjećaju stare slave Ferrija , Donatellija i ostalih.. |
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jaki
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Posted - 20/11/2008 : 00:32:48
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
crtezi "novog vala" crtaca
Nisu to eksperimenti već čista nužnost.Vrijeme ide,stari se,stari odlaze a mlađi dolaze,a taj "novi val"nije toliko različit od onog "starog". |
Ja sam fetišist papira! |
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piquet
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Posted - 20/11/2008 : 10:19:44
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nuccio je spektakularan...na crš-u sz bili crteži sa vukodlakom i štonobisereklo, pršte od dinamike! |
"I kako se može razaznati je li neciji jezik iskren, ako mu ne gledamo u lice dok govori i ako ne slušamo zvuk njegovih rijeci?" |
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dcopic
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Posted - 20/11/2008 : 12:10:28
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Slažem se! Baš smo ih zajedno bili komentirali. Lijepi i dinamični crteži. Za koplje bolji od npr Sediolija ili Vernja. Za kritike prema Nucciu ipak je bolje pričekati prvo izdanje. |
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piquet
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Posted - 20/11/2008 : 12:59:59
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točno!
nego da li se zna kada bi njegov rad trebao izaći...to moram nabaviti iz ita originale. |
"I kako se može razaznati je li neciji jezik iskren, ako mu ne gledamo u lice dok govori i ako ne slušamo zvuk njegovih rijeci?" |
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jaki
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Posted - 20/11/2008 : 13:10:55
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quote: Originally posted by dcopic
Slažem se! Baš smo ih zajedno bili komentirali. Lijepi i dinamični crteži. Za koplje bolji od npr Sediolija ili Vernja. Za kritike prema Nucciu ipak je bolje pričekati prvo izdanje.
triba vidit kako će to izgledat kad bude otisnuto.tako sam na tom istom CRŠu gledao Laurentijeve table koje su mi izgledale sjajno a kad je izašao taj strip doživljaj je višestruko lošiji(ove 4 epizode u močvari). |
Ja sam fetišist papira! |
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Raga
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Posted - 20/11/2008 : 13:58:57
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quote: Originally posted by piquet
točno!
nego da li se zna kada bi njegov rad trebao izaći...to moram nabaviti iz ita originale.
Programma 2009
Burattini - Verni “Caraibi (Haiti)“ (Mortimer,Hammad,Guede Danseur) 3 albi e mezzo Rauch – Della Monica (Ylenia Varga) 3 albi Burattini - Prisco "Un Capestro per Gambit" (Gambit) 2 albi Burattini – Nuccio ”Plenilunio” (Dottor Matrelivic) 2 albi e mezzo Burattini - Pesce “Zagor contro Tonka” (Tonka) 2 albi Mignacco - Laurenti “Zagor contro Black Axe” (Maxi) Paolucci – Chiarolla (Speciale) Cajelli - D’Arcangelo (Almanacco)
Za 8 brojeva će istat prvi dio priče o Vukodlaku koju crta Nuccio.
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Kad ce Chico remitenda sve ispocetka? Oce bit u HC-u? Joj jedva cekam. |
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henry
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Posted - 20/11/2008 : 16:45:55
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Prisco? Hudafak iz Prisco? |
Košta toliko da si ga vi, s prihodima koje imate, iz Despotije Ace Velikog teško možete priuštiti. Drž se ti svog Ace i ostavi se civiliziranog svijeta i EU, nije to za takve! |
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piquet
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Posted - 20/11/2008 : 16:52:34
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"I kako se može razaznati je li neciji jezik iskren, ako mu ne gledamo u lice dok govori i ako ne slušamo zvuk njegovih rijeci?" |
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teller
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npetros2@htnet-dsl
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Posted - 20/11/2008 : 17:59:11
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quote: Originally posted by Beva
quote: Originally posted by jaki D`Arcangelo je velemajstor naspram Verniju,koji precrtava Ferrijevog Zagora(sam rekao) i zato mu ni crtež nema nikakve dinamike.Uz to je i najsporiji crtač u Zagorovom stafu.
Kako ne bi bio spor, na onom crtežu pola linija izgleda kao da je povlačeno ravnalom, samo pogledajte ono palmino lišće u prvom planu... Ferri nikad nije crtao tako sporo i precizno, i baš zato mu je crtež dinamičan... Verni ni kopirati ne zna kako treba :)
Ferri je ustvari jedan od najbržih crtača, onakav tempo u zlatnom Nollitinom dobu je zadivljujuć, a kvalitet je ostao najbolji, npr. "bjegunci & kapetan Zmija" možda i najbolje nacrtani Zagori. Uz to svaki mjesec je radio naslovnice(kao i sad naravno).
I dok se Verni muči sa proučavanjem njegovog veličanstva, Ferriju je sve to išlo brzo kao od šale, da ne spominjem sjenčenje kakvo nitko ne radi. Ni Nuccio,naravno |
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teller
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Posted - 20/11/2008 : 19:28:50
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Ne možemo reč, da poslje Ferrija potop, ali poplava sigurno. |
CITAJTE TELLERA,... DA BI POSTALI BOLJI LJUDI! STRIP JUNAK KOJI UCI POŠTENJU I PRAVDI!
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cibalia
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Posted - 20/11/2008 : 20:29:52
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Darkoanđelo će da radi Almanah, Mignjačo maxi čiju su mi MN epizode ispod prosjeka. Počinjem vjerovat da su ova dvojica poslani od Amera da unište jednog po jednog Bonellijevog junaka. Preko spravica koje je izumila tajna služba Amera kontroliraju Sergia pa će da unište prvo Sergijevu djecu. Pošto Bonelli ima najbolje stripove na planeti poslij njih slijedi Bande ... i Manga pa da Marveloci preuzmu svjetsku strip scenu |
U vlaku sam završio u istom vagonu s profesorom-inzom. Poceo mi je pricati o Zagorovim recenzijama, Zagorovim fanovima i autorima, te o Zagoru opcenito. Nakon 10 minuta sam se bacio pod tracnice... |
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Beva
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Posted - 20/11/2008 : 20:35:40
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quote: Originally posted by npetros2@htnet-dsl Ferri je ustvari jedan od najbržih crtača, onakav tempo u zlatnom Nollitinom dobu je zadivljujuć, a kvalitet je ostao najbolji, npr. "bjegunci & kapetan Zmija" možda i najbolje nacrtani Zagori. Uz to svaki mjesec je radio naslovnice(kao i sad naravno).
I dok se Verni muči sa proučavanjem njegovog veličanstva, Ferriju je sve to išlo brzo kao od šale, da ne spominjem sjenčenje kakvo nitko ne radi. Ni Nuccio,naravno
To i govorim, Ferri je crtač talentiran do bola, Verni po meni nije ni crtač... I općenito mi je glupo to kopiranje... Svi oni koji su navikli na Ferrija uvijek se mogu vraćati njegovim radovima... Barem je on puno toga nacrtao... A treba pustiti neke nove klince da se navuku i na novi crtež Zagora, jer mislim da će njima Verni kao 'novi Ferri' biti odvratan... Naravno, ukoliko im je uopće bitan crtež... |
Jubilarni Polo 10!http://forum.stripovi.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=51213 |
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Beva
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Posted - 20/11/2008 : 20:37:28
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quote: Originally posted by cibalia
Darkoanđelo će da radi Almanah, Mignjačo maxi čiju su mi MN epizode ispod prosjeka. Počinjem vjerovat da su ova dvojica poslani od Amera da unište jednog po jednog Bonellijevog junaka. Preko spravica koje je izumila tajna služba Amera kontroliraju Sergia pa će da unište prvo Sergijevu djecu. Pošto Bonelli ima najbolje stripove na planeti poslij njih slijedi Bande ... i Manga pa da Marveloci preuzmu svjetsku strip scenu
Kako da ne, Bonelli je izrazito velika konkurencija Marvelu, a Mignacco i D'Arcangelo su tipična američka prezimena :) |
Jubilarni Polo 10!http://forum.stripovi.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=51213 |
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cibalia
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Posted - 20/11/2008 : 21:00:54
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Ne moraju biti Ameri nego možda ih plača Američka tajna služba da bi Marvel postao najbolji no to im neće upaliti u mom slučaju jer ja onda neću kupovat stripove jer njihova sranja ne podnosim. |
U vlaku sam završio u istom vagonu s profesorom-inzom. Poceo mi je pricati o Zagorovim recenzijama, Zagorovim fanovima i autorima, te o Zagoru opcenito. Nakon 10 minuta sam se bacio pod tracnice... |
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jaki
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cibalia
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Posted - 20/11/2008 : 22:20:50
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Ne kužiš zajebanciju. Inače i meni je Verni bijedna kopija Ferrija i nije zaslužio rad na mortiju. Cirli dobar na onoj tabli novog almanaha |
U vlaku sam završio u istom vagonu s profesorom-inzom. Poceo mi je pricati o Zagorovim recenzijama, Zagorovim fanovima i autorima, te o Zagoru opcenito. Nakon 10 minuta sam se bacio pod tracnice... |
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Posted - 21/11/2008 : 03:11:39
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Bez obzira koliko je Verni statican i neoriginalan, njegovi stripovi izgledaju solidno i drazi su mi od mnogih drugih kad je crtanje Zagora upitanju (Chiarolla, Darchangelo, Cassaro, Laurenti...), posebno kad je taj crtez umanjen na format stripa deo te staticnosti se ne primecuje bas toliko kao sto to vidimo na ovoj slici na prethodnoj strani. Uostalom, ta slika je jedna od najgorih koje sam video kod Vernija.
Sto se tice Nuccia, ne znam zasto je tako spor, mora da mu se zivo je*e za crtanje i da uzme jednom nedeljno da nesto nacrta, jer crtao nam je na CRS-u u Zagrebu prosle godine i svi smo tamo gledali koliko on ustvari brzo crta. Taj izlazak njegove prve epizode treba propratiti nabavkom tog stripa, skeniranjem i postavljanjem na web, verujem da cemo svi uzivati mnogo vise nego sto se i najveci optimisti nadaju. |
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LK
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Posted - 21/11/2008 : 11:11:24
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Sto se tice Nuccia, ne znam zasto je tako spor, mora da mu se zivo je*e za crtanje i da uzme jednom nedeljno da nesto nacrta, jer crtao nam je na CRS-u u Zagrebu prosle godine i svi smo tamo gledali koliko on ustvari brzo crta.
Nije isto crtati nesto sto si prethodno nacrtao 100 puta i crtati razlicite scene i perspektive kojih u stripu ima na stotine.;) |
U životu postoje razlicite tacke gledišta. Verujemo da stvarnost odgovara našem pogledu, ne sumnjajuci da je pogled lican i da ga ne dele i ostali. |
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Inferno
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Posted - 21/11/2008 : 17:29:41
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Jasno da Verni nije ni do koljena Ferriju, da kopira i da su mu likovi nacrtani poput voštanih figura, ali taj crtač mi ne smeta previše. Ne iritira me. Nikad nisam dijelio crtače na odlične i katastrofalne. Mogu uživati i u osrednjim crtežima. @npetros je dobro primjetio da se Ferri od Vernija razlikuje po kvaliteti sjenčenja. Ferri nabaca onih par mrlja u pozadinu i stvori nenadjebivu atmosferu. Napetost mu frca iz svake vinjete. To nitko ne može, bez zajebancije. I ina osjećaj za kadar. Ferri je u 50 godina promjenio 5-6 stilova i svaki mu je odličan. Mada smo već prošli onaj period Zimske Zmije (...) i da je sada, u novim ZEX-ovima nešto manje detaljan, ali meni i taj stil savršeno odgovara. Svi su mu stilovi prva liga. Stvarno je nevjerojatno da kvalitet nije opadao ni u jednom trenutku, a u isto vrijeme je uspio nacrtati stotinjak epizoda i 700-800 naslovnica. Kapa do poda. Što se tiče brzine crtanja, za mene je bolje ako je crtač spor. Više volim da se posao napravi kako treba, nego da dobijemo neki zbrzani poluproizvod. Laurentija obožavam; i u "Močvari" je odličan, ali je u žurbi nacrtao 35 katastrofalnih tabli koje su me iziritirale do ludila. Mnogi crtači koji su zbog bonellijeve politike ubrzali crtanje, više nikad nisu ponovili svoje prvijence (npr. Marcello). Recimo i to da je Della Monica jako brz crtač, a krasi ga pedantnost i detaljnost. I kvalitet mu se tek za nijansu spustio u odnosu na "Vampira". Pogledajte Donattellija u "Sniježnim sokolovima" i sada. Nebo i zemlja. Sediolija sam podnosio u početku, ali više ne mogu smisliti one degenske ruke i plosnate & neujednačene face Verni je bar proporcionalan. D'Arcangelo je počeo dobro, ali svakim radom nazaduje. Prisco, Bisi, Maginantini, Nuccio, Piccinelli obecavaju, ali vidjet ćemo kako crtaju Zagorovu facu. Meni su najbolji Zagorovi crtači: Ferri i gotovo svi iz perioda SD 9-65. To kaže čoek kojem ne smetaju ni Chiarolla ni Cassaro, loool. |
Mefisto je lik koji Texa spasava od kritika na pretjeranom realizmu.
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Džedson
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Posted - 21/11/2008 : 18:51:15
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Kad već spominješ Cassara moram reći da je ubo, ili bolje uboli su, jer to su dvojica, još jednu dobru epizodu nakon Ključeva pakla.Stvar je zapravo elementarna; dobro se snalaze sa zatvorenim prostorima, loše sa otvorenima, nezgodno ako ste crtač Zagora.Pročitao sam Stupicu i otrov i upravo je nevjerojatno koliko događaja može ovaj Boselli nakrcati u 94 str.Čak ima i mini-reminiscencija na Nolittinu epizodu sa Kinezima koja upravo izlazi.Tučnjava Zagor vs div sa mačem i patuljak karataš
Sedioli i meni polako ide na živce.Crta karikature, stalno gledam da se pojavi Bob Rock odnekud.Verni?Loš iako ne i najlošiji(Darcangelo).Srećom ne crta mnogo, samo mortimera na kojeg se pretplatio.Nuccio?Negdje u bespućima ovog foruma može se naći par njegovih stranica( baš stranica, ne slika) i to je dobro izgledalo mora se priznati. Ali mene od Ferrijevih plagijatora puno više zanimaju Mangiantini i Piccinelli |
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jaki
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