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DeeCay
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Posted - 11/12/2004 : 11:32:29  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send DeeCay a Private Message
Nije baš neki topic, al me interesira nešto. Gledao samo filmic Pet Sematary (koji je raden po noveli Stephena Kinga, a unutra je i njegov cameo) i pažnju mi je privuklo sveto indijansko groblje na kojem oživljavaju mrtvi (ancient indian burial ground). Indijansko pleme se zvalo Mikmak ili Mik-Mak. Slicno sveto mjesto odnosno humku koja je možda predstavljala indijansko groblje vidio sam u jednom starom broju Zagora #994/995/996 «Sveti breg» «Zakon predaka» «Hiljadu lica straha» (sad tek vidim kakva je korist od popisa naslovnica). To je bilo davno i više se ne sjecam, a Zagore ne skupljam pa ak bi neko pogledao u svoju kolekciju pa da mi kaže jel to to i kak se zove to indijansko pleme u Zagoru. Ako ništa drugo barem cete si ponoviti neke stvari...

Tu je i slicica!)



U novom Zagoru «Povratak Kaina» (ne znam zašto ne Caina?) susrest ce nekromante plemena Kush, a kao da su izronili iz onih Conanovih epizoda kad je Conan tamanio zle crnce i ostala cudovišta u crnoj zemlji naroda Kusha. Na Howardovoj karti Conanovog vremena najjužnije zemlje (Kush, Darfar) su bile pune crnaca pa je ocito to nekakva aluzija na Afriku, crni kontinent. Stygia je bila donekle slicna Egiptu, a tamo su živjeli najmocniji carobnjaci. Kushi su bili poznati najviše po svojim neustrašivim ratnicima. Postoji li u današnjoj Africi narod Kusha ili bar pleme?


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stinky
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Posted - 11/12/2004 : 11:46:57  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit stinky's Homepage  Send stinky a Private Message
Ovo što pitaš nije u vezi sa Hiljadu lica straha, tamo se radi o Osagama i Gavranovima (koliko sam sad na brzinu pogledao).
Medutim, ima ista stvar u novijim Zagorima, tj. epizoda Indijansko groblje, spominju se i Mic-Mac.

O Kushitima, mislim da ima i u Kortu.

ludaci su me oduvijek voljeli...a i ja njih
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dule_car
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Posted - 11/12/2004 : 13:10:22  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send dule_car a Private Message
A zašto je to vredno znati... Pa nije Zagor etnografska enciklopeija, tu i tamo nešto piknu, onda se kronološki gledano prevare za 50 godina...

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DeeCay
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Posted - 11/12/2004 : 13:30:03  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send DeeCay a Private Message
@Dule
Uvijek je dobro znati otkud scenaristi crpe ideje, ma koliko bile one banalne. Zanimljivost je zanimljivost, ali je takoder i lijepo pogledati kad se neke stvari poklapaju.

@Stinkee
"Indijansko groblje" je tu bilo na malom otocicu usred mocvare bez tih kamenih humki? One epizode se sjecam jer je na samoj naslovnici nacrtan takav model groblja.
A nova epizoda Zagora mi se dopada pa sam htio i malo se nje dotaknuti...

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Car-kolekcionar
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Posted - 11/12/2004 : 13:44:31  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Car-kolekcionar's Homepage  Send Car-kolekcionar a Private Message
Pleme se zove Mic-Mac a spominje se u Zagoru redovnom 79,80 (Prokleto Zlato, Indijansko groblje), svakako procitaj tu epizodu ako mozes...

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Posted - 11/12/2004 : 16:05:38  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send crta a Private Message
pa dobro mic-mac i zg 78,80 i nije nesto extra,ali uglavnom nije ni blizu zs 994,995,996...to je super serija...a ako ne skupljas zg nikad nije kasno da pocnes

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DeeCay
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Posted - 12/12/2004 : 17:18:00  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send DeeCay a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by Car-kolekcionar

Pleme se zove Mic-Mac a spominje se u Zagoru redovnom 79,80 (Prokleto Zlato, Indijansko groblje), svakako procitaj tu epizodu ako mozes...



Procitajo sam je vec otprije i znam da nije ništa posebno. Cak postoji i recenzija doticne epizode na sajtu. Samo što pleme Mic-Mac (ili Miq-maq) uopce nije spomenuto. DarkwoodskiDevile moglo bi i više zanimljivosti.
Pleme je živo (znaci nije izumrlo) i danas. Jedno je od prvih koje je stupilo u kontakt sa došljacima (civilizacija), a trenutno potomci žive u Kanadi.

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Posted - 12/12/2004 : 18:31:23  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Verfalk2003's Homepage  Send Verfalk2003 a Private Message
Mic-Mac se, ako se ne varam, pojavljuju i u ZG EXT 22-23. Epizoda Molok.

Veceras cemo piti dok ne padnemo! A kad padnemo pit' cemo s poda!
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Car-kolekcionar
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Posted - 12/12/2004 : 18:34:05  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit Car-kolekcionar's Homepage  Send Car-kolekcionar a Private Message
Dee-Cay znaci Pochacontas pripada njima, ha? LOL!

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Posted - 12/12/2004 : 19:31:56  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send BOC a Private Message
quote:
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O Kushitima, mislim da ima i u Kortu.




Di? U "Etiopljanima"?!

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Posted - 12/12/2004 : 20:05:23  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send DeeCay a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by BOC

quote:
Originally posted by stinky
O Kushitima, mislim da ima i u Kortu.


Di? U "Etiopljanima"?!



Kushiti ili Kushi su pripadnici drevne civilizacije (1000 BC to 350 AD) koja je postojala na teritoriju Nubije ili dijelom današnje Etiopije. Kushi su svojevremeno vladali i Egiptom.

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Posted - 12/12/2004 : 20:09:24  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send DeeCay a Private Message
Mala povijest Mik-maqa

Together with the Beothuk on Newfoundland, the Micmac were probably the first Native Americans to have regular contact with Europeans. This may have occurred as early as the 11th century with the early Viking settlements on the coast of North America, or perhaps with Basque fishermen who visited the Grand Banks before Columbus' voyage in 1492 but kept quiet about where they were catching all their fish. The first known contact was made in 1497 by John Cabot who took three Micmac with him when he returned to England. The Micmac may not have appreciated this, since Cabot disappeared in the same area during his second voyage a few years later. Contact between Micmac and Europeans became routine immediately afterwards. Beginning in 1501, Basque, Spanish, French, British, and Irish fishing boats visited the Grand Banks every summer. By 1519 the fishermen were coming ashore to dry their catch, and trade began, mainly for furs. The fishermen found the Micmac friendly and eager to trade ...almost too eager.

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Posted - 12/12/2004 : 21:10:43  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send GGG a Private Message
Kush ili Cush biblijski je naziv za afrikance odn. vjerojatnije etiopljane. Postoji i grupa tzv. kušitskih jezika, koji se govore na podrucju Etiopije i Somalije
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Tuarezi, Songhay, Tuatha Danan... Nomadska plemena i izumrle civilizacije, mitologije razlicitih naroda, kompleksne price - zbog svega toga novi su Zagori neusporedivo bolji od vecine prijasnjih.
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Posted - 13/12/2004 : 18:24:32  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send DeeCay a Private Message
Prema Robetu E. Howardu, Conanove avantura dešavaju se nakon potonuca Atlantide i ostalih velikih naroda (naroda Pickta i Lemurianaca). Barbari Prekataklizmickog doba su bili Picti, koji su živjeli na otocima duboko na zapadnom oceanu; Atlantidani koji su boravili na malom kontinentu izmedu Pictskih Otoka i glavnog, Ilurianskog Kontinenta; i Lemurianci koji su nastanjivali lanac velikih otoka u istocnoj hemisferi. Nakon Velike Kataklizme Atlantida je naravno potonula, a preživio je samo jedan kontinentalni dio Atlantidske kolonije na SZ glavnog kontinenta, a njihovi potomci su postali divljaci, poluljudi/polumajmuni ali su ipak dosegli visoko razvijen stupanj barbarizma. Picti nikad ni nisu bili ni civilizirani, a potomci Lemurianaca sa Istoka odsjeceni od sviju postali su robovi neke drevne rase. Tisuce godina nakon kataklizme, Lemurianci su se uspjelo osloboditi jarma ropstva te jedan dio na istoku osniva civilizacije, a drugi dio zavladava kraljevstvom Stygije gdje su potisnuli takoder neku stariju rasu (Stygija je današnji Egipat). U sjevernoj hemisferi jacaju sjevernjaci Hyperboreanci te polako pocinje Hyboriansko doba kad se oni šire. Jedno Hyperborejsko pleme je bilo poznato po svojim ratnicima, a to su bili Cimmerijanci otkud potjece naš Conan!

Ovo je preslika Hyborianskog doba sa današnjom postavom kontinenata.


Takoder Howard je stavio i zemlju Darfar, a kraj Kraljevstva Kusha postojao je i narod Fur ("Darfur" znaci zemlja naroda Fura). Negdje je jednom pisalo o Sudanskom genocidu nad Darfurima (možda se to i sad dešava).

Zagor ce negdje u središnjoj Africi valjda pronaci neke potomke Atlantidana i usput upoznati nas sa najpoznatijim drevnim narodima Afrike kako je Valter vec postao – Kushi, tuarezi, Songhay . Ovo ce mislim biti najbolji Bosselijev serijal poslije onog Sjeverozapadnog prolaza pa do Darkwooda. MIslim da pokraj tolikih Zagorovaca fale pravi Zagorovi kronicari koji u dušu poznaju njegove pustolovine!


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Posted - 13/12/2004 : 19:43:36  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit stinky's Homepage  Send stinky a Private Message
vidiš DeeCay, sad si došao do onog momenta koji sam prije par mjeseci naznacio
Zagor je vrlo RASNI strip i sve se tamo dogada sa razlogom
zato sad slijede pustolovine sa zaboravljenim civilizacijama, a koje su povezane sa arijevskom rasom, a to je ono što je Zagor otkrio konzumirajuci peyote i psilocibinske gljive


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