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King Warrior
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Posted - 04/09/2018 : 11:02:38
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Picci je najbolji moguci izbor za italijansko trziste. Njegov Zagor ima pomalo Ferrijeve crte, ali je i dovoljno moderan. Prednost je i to sto stilski baca na Villu, koji je u SBE najcjenjeniji naslovnicar. Rubini je pravi covjek za US. Ameri se pale na superheroje, njegov Zagor izgleda bas kao da je iz Avengersa izletio.
Obrnuto ne bi dobro bilo. Ma sto se tice naslovnica SBE i Igor su uradili najbolju mogucu stvar. |
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Hercule Poirot
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Posted - 04/09/2018 : 11:30:35
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
Picci je najbolji moguci izbor za italijansko trziste. Njegov Zagor ima pomalo Ferrijeve crte, ali je i dovoljno moderan. Prednost je i to sto stilski baca na Villu, koji je u SBE najcjenjeniji naslovnicar. Rubini je pravi covjek za US. Ameri se pale na superheroje, njegov Zagor izgleda bas kao da je iz Avengersa izletio.
Obrnuto ne bi dobro bilo. Ma sto se tice naslovnica SBE i Igor su uradili najbolju mogucu stvar.
Znalački osvrt, potpuno ispravno. |
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doom
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Posted - 04/09/2018 : 12:27:09
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D.J. je dobro rekao kako bi rubini trebao raditi kompromise da je izabran za naslovnice u italiji. Ovaj cijeli piccinellijev rad je ustvari samo jedan veliki kompromis. Piccinelli je bio mozda i najbolji izbor tada za naslovnice, ali ovo danas ne vodi nikuda. Mogli su odmah postaviti nuccia a ne sad da ovaj mora izmisljati toplu vodu da zadovolji apetite ekipe sto jos zivi u kamenom dobu. Piccinelli nikad nije imao nikakve ferrijevske crte lica, to je nastalo sada otkada je na naslovnicama.
Porediti ove piccinellijeve naslovnice sa villom je van svake pameti. Likovi zalijepljeni na pozadinu, sve vanjske linije su mu jednake, cak ni tu nije mogao pogledati kako villa to radi. Nekima je ocito jedini kriterij da je naslovnica "realisticna" i detaljna i to je odmah odlicno. To sto nema nigdje dinamike i price nema veze jelte. Nikakve tu modernosti nema, nucciova naslovnica za gigant u sebi sadrzi vise prica nego sve piccinellijeve zajedno.
Kakav pravi izbor za talijansko trziste, ako su htjeli nekoga sa tom ferijevskom facom i modernijim pristupom mogli uzeti nuccia i gotova prica, a ne da se ovaj mora prilagodjavati nekom stilu otprije 30 godina koji nema nikakvih dodirnih tocaka sa vlastitim |
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doom
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Posted - 04/09/2018 : 12:35:03
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Ili npr bacimo pogled na lica likova osim zagora, ovaj gusar izgleda kao da je ispao iz miki mausa. I tako u krug na svakoj naslovnici, ne znas jesu li likovi koji dobiju sakom od zagora u nesvijesti ili su pijani |
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King Warrior
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teller
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Posted - 04/09/2018 : 13:23:49
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Ma..nikad kraja seruckanja...secirali svaku Ferrijevu..sada svaku Picijevu..sve sami poznavatelji tehnike crtanja..sto se ne prihvatite kista da vidimo kako bi to trebalo izgledat..mucno mi je vise citat ..Pici je kompromis da ae prikaze nesto novo a ostane fertijev duh prisutan..sto tu nije jasno? |
CITAJTE TELLERA,... DA BI POSTALI BOLJI LJUDI! STRIP JUNAK KOJI UCI POŠTENJU I PRAVDI!
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Edited by - teller on 04/09/2018 13:24:22 |
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teller
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Posted - 04/09/2018 : 13:26:48
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
Picci je majstor. Bolji je od Ville. Piccijeve naslovnice su umjetnost.
 tako govori kralj..glas raje je nebitan i nekompetentan...slusa se kralja kojemu je zagor u krvi.. |
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Hercule Poirot
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doom
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Posted - 04/09/2018 : 13:39:53
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quote: Originally posted by teller
Ma..nikad kraja seruckanja...secirali svaku Ferrijevu..sada svaku Picijevu..sve sami poznavatelji tehnike crtanja..sto se ne prihvatite kista da vidimo kako bi to trebalo izgledat..mucno mi je vise citat ..Pici je kompromis da ae prikaze nesto novo a ostane fertijev duh prisutan..sto tu nije jasno?
Sta je to "novo" piccinelli pokazao? I nastoj odgovoriti bez spamanja kao dosad |
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Giuda Ballerino
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teller
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Posted - 04/09/2018 : 14:08:54
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Ah..badava trud..sljepcima pokazat put... Meni je Pici dobar..vama los..zivjet cu i dalje bez problema sa tim spoznanjem...uzivajte u prepucavanju i dalje...ako vas to tako veseli.. |
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drogsy
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Posted - 04/09/2018 : 18:37:47
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quote: Originally posted by doom
D.J. je dobro rekao kako bi rubini trebao raditi kompromise da je izabran za naslovnice u italiji. Ovaj cijeli piccinellijev rad je ustvari samo jedan veliki kompromis. Piccinelli je bio mozda i najbolji izbor tada za naslovnice, ali ovo danas ne vodi nikuda. Mogli su odmah postaviti nuccia a ne sad da ovaj mora izmisljati toplu vodu da zadovolji apetite ekipe sto jos zivi u kamenom dobu. Piccinelli nikad nije imao nikakve ferrijevske crte lica, to je nastalo sada otkada je na naslovnicama.
Porediti ove piccinellijeve naslovnice sa villom je van svake pameti. Likovi zalijepljeni na pozadinu, sve vanjske linije su mu jednake, cak ni tu nije mogao pogledati kako villa to radi. Nekima je ocito jedini kriterij da je naslovnica "realisticna" i detaljna i to je odmah odlicno. To sto nema nigdje dinamike i price nema veze jelte. Nikakve tu modernosti nema, nucciova naslovnica za gigant u sebi sadrzi vise prica nego sve piccinellijeve zajedno.
Kakav pravi izbor za talijansko trziste, ako su htjeli nekoga sa tom ferijevskom facom i modernijim pristupom mogli uzeti nuccia i gotova prica, a ne da se ovaj mora prilagodjavati nekom stilu otprije 30 godina koji nema nikakvih dodirnih tocaka sa vlastitim
Jasno, lijepo sažeto i artikulirano, ali nažalost apsolutno uzaludno pojašnjenje. Godinama sam izjavu da su zagorovci glupi smatrao pretjeranom na ovom forumu, sve dok prije točno dvije godine nisam i sam upao u jednu raspravu o crtčkim kriterijima koja mi je otvorila oči. Možeš im ponuditi sve moguće neoborive argumente, oni će još više prigrliti svoju kritičku nesposobnost. |
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Dexters
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Posted - 04/09/2018 : 19:00:41
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@drogsy Ajde ne budi snob brodvejski kritičaru. Picci ni meni nije bogznašto, ali je napredak u odnosu na Ferrija u kontekstu crtanja naslovnica. Za NUccia sumnjam da je uopće bio razmatran, njemu je strip sporedni posao. Naslovnici kao elementu stripa ionako pridajem minorni značaj. |
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nellesky
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Posted - 05/09/2018 : 07:29:50
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quote: Originally posted by D.J.
(A kad smo kod Rubinija i Texa, on vise voli raditi Zagora. )
Imaš li još neku pikanteriju u vezi Rubinija? Tko su mu bili uzori i tako to...? Pitao si ga vjerujem što šta? Stavljaju ga u kontekst uticaja američke škole. Nekako mi to ne pije vodu
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D.J.
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Posted - 05/09/2018 : 08:28:32
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quote: Originally posted by nellesky
quote: Originally posted by D.J.
(A kad smo kod Rubinija i Texa, on vise voli raditi Zagora. )
Imaš li još neku pikanteriju u vezi Rubinija? Tko su mu bili uzori i tako to...? Pitao si ga vjerujem što šta? Stavljaju ga u kontekst uticaja američke škole. Nekako mi to ne pije vodu
Ima opsirni interview s Rubinijem u Zagor: The Lost World knjizi.  No reci cu da je Rubini godinama ucio direktno od Andreuccija, koji mu je bio mentor, ali najveci uzor mu je Mike Mignola kojeg je Rubini napokon upoznao na ovogodisnjem Comic-Conu.
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/epicentercomics/three-new-zagor-graphic-novels |
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Duke Zill
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Posted - 07/09/2018 : 18:52:00
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Sad sam se sjetio na koga me ono četveroruko stvorenje s nove naslovnice podsjeća. Mogao/la bi to biti "rakshasa". Slično biće s lavljom glavom je bilo u igri Heroes of might and magic V, u academy line-upu, inspirirano arapskom/indijskom mitologijom. |
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anto
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Posted - 10/09/2018 : 23:27:53
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quote: Originally posted by King Warrior
Picci je majstor. Bolji je od Ville. Piccijeve naslovnice su umjetnost.
zezaš se ili ozbiljno kažeš? |
Dajte nam Ralph Azhama;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)! |
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King Warrior
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teller
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Posted - 01/10/2018 : 17:26:07
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Nema je jos nigdje najavljene ali je krs...Picci Picci...skrabalo jedno! Zasto cekati kad mozemo pocet odmah i na nevideno? |
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Kontrast 2
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Posted - 01/10/2018 : 17:51:58
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Pa...rek'o - da ovi pljuvači na vreme počnu da skupljaju pljuvačku i naoštre lenjire i uglomere (šestare, krivuljare,...) |
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teller
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Posted - 01/10/2018 : 19:52:57
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Pa..ako ne drugi..pobunit ce se crkva i bislupi...oskudno obucena djevojka..i jos na naslovnici.. |
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