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mogorovic
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Posted - 27/01/2018 : 23:38:55
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quote: Originally posted by mogorovic
A, koliko se često, u hrvatskom jeziku, govori: Hopa - cupa, nas dva skupa!? Ili je i tu Brixi krivo interpretirao Lazu Kostića?
A kakve veze ima hopa cupa s ovim? Ovde ne postoji logički završetak, nema smisla (naročito u kontekstu izrečenog u oblačićima).
Dragi Jasko. A, koga briga za logičnim završetcima fraza u Alanu Fordu? Upravo je "nelogičnost" bogatstvo ovoga stripa, kako originala, tako i maestralnih prijevod i jezičnih obrada Nenada Brixija, u duhu tadašnjih aktualnih društvenih trenutaka, kao i zagrebačkog govora (pardon - spike!). Slažem se sa ivanl-om, nema tu nikakve opće širine kroz zbilju bivše nam države. To je hrvatski prijevod hrvatskog izdanja, s potpunim pravom izdavača iz Srbije da prevode, a i prevodili su, svoja izdanja na srpskom jeziku. Je li problem to reći!?
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 27/01/2018 : 23:42:44
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quote: Originally posted by mogorovic
quote: Originally posted by Vlaadisha
quote: Originally posted by mogorovic
Točno! A, to je zbog toga što povezuje čuveni parodični prijevod srpskog pjesnika Laze Kostića, Hamletove rečenice: "Biti ili ne biti, pitanje je sad!?"
"parodicni" pa jos "cuveni"  pa nije tako preveo "to be, or not to be" nego „il bit ili ne bit"
He, he... Obzirom da, očigledno, nemaš pojma o kojem prijevodu Laze Kostića govorimo, budi tiho i sa strane, prati temu, možda nešto i naučiš!
evo prevoda laze kostica:http://digitalna.ff.uns.ac.rs/sadrzaj/0-0
to "trt mrt" je na drugom mestu
voleo bih da naucim nesto, molim te podeli link sa parodicnim prevodom... ili barem slikaj svoj primerak
dotle, evo i tebi da citas: http://www.vreme.com/cms/view.php?id=338157
http://www.glas-javnosti.rs/node/15561/print |
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Jasko
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Posted - 27/01/2018 : 23:52:56
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quote: Originally posted by mogorovic
Dragi Jasko. A, koga briga za logičnim završetcima fraza u Alanu Fordu? Upravo je "nelogičnost" bogatstvo ovoga stripa, kako originala, tako i maestralnih prijevod i jezičnih obrada Nenada Brixija, u duhu tadašnjih aktualnih društvenih trenutaka, kao i zagrebačkog govora (pardon - spike!). Slažem se sa ivanl-om, nema tu nikakve opće širine kroz zbilju bivše nam države. To je hrvatski prijevod hrvatskog izdanja, s potpunim pravom izdavača iz Srbije da prevode, a i prevodili su, svoja izdanja na srpskom jeziku. Je li problem to reći!?
Ako Grunf kaže "Pobeći ili poginuti" to je dilema tipa "Biti ili ne biti".
Hvala Vladi za ove linkove, eto ispade da je prevedena Lazina fraza samo urbana legenda. Čovek svakodnevno uči. |
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nikotin
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ivanl
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Posted - 28/01/2018 : 22:18:41
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Ona gornja slika, poslije Grunfove eksplozije...sto reci? Ako je ko zasluzio epitet majstor, to je Magnus! |
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mogorovic
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Posted - 28/01/2018 : 23:17:04
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Evo za Vlaadishu i Jaska link za Kostićev: Trt - mrt, život ili smrt! Autor teksta je Marko Janković na: http://blog.b92.net/text/1978/trt-mrt-zivot-ili-smrt/. Nije riječ o službenom Lazinom prijevodu, nego onom neformalnom, oko kojeg desetljećima traju polemike, da li je uopće napisan, izvan forme, kao parodija autora prijevoda, ili nije. Navodno se ta fraza izvodila u nekim beogradskim predstavama Hamleta. Nitko još nije dokazao da je Laza, osim službenog prijevoda, koji apostrofira Vlaadisha, nije napisao. Stoga se na nju mnogi i referiraju. Toliko o Lazi Kostiću, mislim da on nije tema ovog topica, nego Alan Ford, no kada smo već započeli... Usput, ima još linkova o Lazinom autorstvu ove fraze, ali mi se na da sve ih pisati. Pronađite sami, kako sami i ja pronašao. Ne budite gotovani. |
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nikotin
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ivanl
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Posted - 31/01/2018 : 12:44:30
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Ova predstava je bezobrazno korištenje lika i djela Alana Forda, (i svih ostalih). Zna li stari Bunker za ovo? Da zna odmah bi se išao naplatiti... |
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iggyk23
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 31/01/2018 : 15:47:54
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quote: Originally posted by mogorovic
Evo za Vlaadishu i Jaska link za Kostićev: Trt - mrt, život ili smrt! Autor teksta je Marko Janković na: http://blog.b92.net/text/1978/trt-mrt-zivot-ili-smrt/. Nije riječ o službenom Lazinom prijevodu, nego onom neformalnom, oko kojeg desetljećima traju polemike, da li je uopće napisan, izvan forme, kao parodija autora prijevoda, ili nije. Navodno se ta fraza izvodila u nekim beogradskim predstavama Hamleta. Nitko još nije dokazao da je Laza, osim službenog prijevoda, koji apostrofira Vlaadisha, nije napisao. Stoga se na nju mnogi i referiraju. Toliko o Lazi Kostiću, mislim da on nije tema ovog topica, nego Alan Ford, no kada smo već započeli... Usput, ima još linkova o Lazinom autorstvu ove fraze, ali mi se na da sve ih pisati. Pronađite sami, kako sami i ja pronašao. Ne budite gotovani.
pise to sve gore. znaci nema cuvene lazine parodije. a oko AF cemo se sve sloziti. |
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Vlaadisha
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ivanl
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Posted - 31/01/2018 : 18:16:11
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U svezi ove predstave, ako je to jedna te ista, pisca i novinara Predraga Lucica, (nedavno preminulog), rado bi je pogledao da igra u Splitu. Nemam bas povjerenja priznajem, ali me interesira. Lucic je bio tip koji se kuzi u materiju stripa, te specificne i vazne "zajebancije" Alan Forda. Interpretacija glumaca je vec druga stvar... |
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nikotin
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Posted - 31/01/2018 : 18:26:51
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Evo Strip-agent je odlučio da ponovo krene sa izdavanjem Alan Forda. Novi format u boji i to ispočetka. Tvrde korice u A4 formatu. Valjda ono prije nije ništa valjalo.











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ivanl
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wolf
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nikotin
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wolf
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Posted - 01/02/2018 : 01:57:59
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Ovo je vjerojatno sken SA kolor izdanja, jer u prvim epizodama boja doista jest malo kričava. Samo, mislim da si mogao dati napraviti trobroj, ovako je to pretanko za taj format. |
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nikotin
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Posted - 01/02/2018 : 05:17:24
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Samo da rasjasnim. Ovo nije moj rad več nekog u Srbiji koga neznam. Samo sam dobio slike.
Ovo je rađeno po scanlationu. Znači postoji digitalno izdanje. Vidio sam da je u Italiji izašlo nekoliko brojeva u ovom formatu. Mislim da su čak i posteri bili zajedno sa stripovima. Stvarno u Italiji postoji ovakav strip sa ovakvom naslovnicom.
Moj rad koji je unikat je sličan ovom.
Ove slike koje sam postavio tj. ovaj rad može se smatrati kao ''oficijelni pirat'' jer če se ko zna koliko puta umnožiti.
Nenam stvarno ko če ga kupiti osim nekog ko skuplja sve od Alan Forda. Sad sam se sjetio i da je uvez mašinski sa koncem kao što radi libellus. Tako su mi rekli. |
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nikotin
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Posted - 01/02/2018 : 05:40:43
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quote: Originally posted by nikotin
Samo da rasjasnim. Ovo nije moj rad več nekog u Srbiji koga neznam. Samo sam dobio slike.
Ovo je rađeno po scanlationu. Znači postoji digitalno izdanje. Vidio sam da je u Italiji izašlo nekoliko brojeva u ovom formatu. Mislim da su čak i posteri bili zajedno sa stripovima. Stvarno u Italiji postoji ovakav strip sa ovakvom naslovnicom.
Moj rad koji je unikat je sličan ovom.
Ove slike koje sam postavio tj. ovaj rad može se smatrati kao ''oficijelni pirat'' jer če se ko zna koliko puta umnožiti.
Neznam stvarno ko če ga kupiti osim neko ko skuplja sve od Alan Forda. Sad sam se sjetio i da je uvez mašinski sa koncem kao što radi libellus. Tako su mi rekli.
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nikotin
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Posted - 01/02/2018 : 05:44:58
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Još nešto. Ove sve slike pirata na prijašnim stranicam što sam postavio nisam ja radio več su to nova izdanja ko neko radi.
Ja sam sebi napravio slične po istom materijalu i moji se malo razlikuju od njihovih. |
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Jasko
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ivanl
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Posted - 01/02/2018 : 09:22:00
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Nastranu sto Alan Ford jednostavno nije za kolor,(rad Magnusa je najbolje vidljiv na ljepom dobrom papiru koji trpi masnu i jaku crnu boju, koja,docarava igru sjena i kontrasta), vec je i taj kolor lose izveden na prvim epizodama. |
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Deers
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Posted - 01/02/2018 : 13:53:52
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quote: Originally posted by ivanl
U svezi ove predstave, ako je to jedna te ista, pisca i novinara Predraga Lucica, (nedavno preminulog), rado bi je pogledao da igra u Splitu. Nemam bas povjerenja priznajem, ali me interesira. Lucic je bio tip koji se kuzi u materiju stripa, te specificne i vazne "zajebancije" Alan Forda. Interpretacija glumaca je vec druga stvar...
Meni se predstava svidjela. Tematski je dosta vezana oko migranata koji danas su nam nekako daleki i možda manje aktualni ali ne nedostaje joj Lucićevog britkog sarkazma. |
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ivanl
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Posted - 01/02/2018 : 14:59:09
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quote: Originally posted by Deers
quote: Originally posted by ivanl
U svezi ove predstave, ako je to jedna te ista, pisca i novinara Predraga Lucica, (nedavno preminulog), rado bi je pogledao da igra u Splitu. Nemam bas povjerenja priznajem, ali me interesira. Lucic je bio tip koji se kuzi u materiju stripa, te specificne i vazne "zajebancije" Alan Forda. Interpretacija glumaca je vec druga stvar...
Meni se predstava svidjela. Tematski je dosta vezana oko migranata koji danas su nam nekako daleki i možda manje aktualni ali ne nedostaje joj Lucićevog britkog sarkazma.
Pls. gdje si je gledao, tj. kada? |
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