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alanmaras
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Croatia
3787 Posts
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 Posted - 02/10/2005 : 18:19:57
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1. LE BATARD
Stripoteka 470
2. TRAQUENARD A CONQUES
Stripoteka 568
3. LE SECRET DU BRETON
Stripoteka 621, Comic strip 7
4. LES GARDIENS DU BIERZO
Stripoteka 677, Comic strip 8-11
5. R ET LE CHARLATAN
Stripoteka 694
6. TONNERRE SUR LA GALICE
Stripoteka 747, Comic strip 12-15
7. ILS ETAIENT 5
Stripoteka 764, Comic strip 16, 17, 18
8. LES OTAGES
Stripoteka 836, Comic strip 19, 20
9. QUI ES-TU WISIGOTH? T1 (LES YEUX DU GUADIANA)
Comic strip 21, 22
10.QUI ES-TU WISIGOTH? T2
"I sat before the wise man in the autumn of my youth, and I told him all the things I had to know. He said you have the future if you need to find the truth, and in his eyes I saw that it was so."
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Edited by - alanmaras on 04/03/2006 08:52:52
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StripArt
Junior Member
Bosnia and Herzegovina
307 Posts
Member since 14/04/2019 |
Posted - 14/06/2021 : 09:45:52
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Geneza nastanka i objave Ramiro albuma i integrala (Tou Vance) je veoma interesantna.
Originalne epizode, tj. njihove prve verzije su objavljene u ‘Femmes d'Aujourd'hui’ u periodu 1974 – 1983.
Pet (5) poglavlja (L'otage, Hammam à Cordoba, La dame de Sohagun, Otage pour otage, Le bâtard) koja su respektivno imala 13, 7, 7, 7 i 8 tabli su objavljivana u period 8.5.1974. – 9.10.1974. u brojevima 1514-1536. U ‘integralnim’ izdanjima i albumima je to epizoda ‘Ramiro le batard’.
Sljedećih pet (5) poglavlja (Le charlatan, la potence, La colère du Roi, Le vin mauvais, La dernière surprise) koja su respektivno imala 9, 10, 9, 9 i 5 tabli su objavljivana u period 23.10.1974. – 2.4.1975. u brojevima 1538-1561. U ‘integralnim’ izdanjima i albumima je to epizoda ‘Ramiro et le charlatan’.
Sljedeća epizoda ‘Mission pour Compostelle’ je objavljena u dva (2) potpoglavlja:
i) L'inconnue du Puy od 30.9.1975. – 21.7.1976, brojevi 1587-1629, 43 table
ii) ‘Piège à Santiago’ od 28.7.1976. – 21.12.1976, brojevi 1630-1649, 39 tabli
I tu prestaje rad Jacques Stoquarta na scenariju te dalje William Vance osim crteža piše i scenarij.
Još je objavljeno:
a) ‘Le trésor des Wisigoths’ od 1.11.1977. – 28.11.1978., brojevi 77/44-78/47, 56 tabli
b) ‘Qui es-tu Wisigoth?’ od 12.5.1981. – 2.2.1982., brojevi 81/20-82/05, 38 tabli
c) ‘La louve d'Arnac’ od 9.2.1982. – 26.4.1983., brojevi 82/06-83/17, 63,5 tabli u dvije (2) episode od 34 i 29,5 tabli
Za potrebe integralnih izdanja/albuma je Vance radio određene izmjene, zapravo dopune a i same epizode su malo ‘pretumbane’ a i promijenjeni su im naslovi.
Npr. “L'inconnue du Puy“ je manje-više ‘(ras)podjeljeno’ na “Traquenard à Conques: Mission pour Compostelle 1” i “Le Secret du Breton: Mission pour Compostelle 2” a “Piège à Santiago “ je manje-više ‘(ras)podjeljeno’ na “Les gardiens du Bierzo: Mission pour Compostelle 3” i “Tonnerre sur la Galicia: Mission pour Compostelle 4” ali je evidentno ‘zadržana’ veza na ‘Mission pour Compostelle’
’Le trésor des Wisigoths’ i ‘Qui es-tu Wisigoth?’ je ‘prepakovano’ u ‘Ils étaient cinq : le Trésor des Wisigoths 1’, ‘Les otages : le Trésor des Wisigoths 2’ i ‘Qui es-tu, Wisigoth ? 1 : Les Yeux du Guadiana’.
‘La louve d'Arnac’ je ‘razdvojeno’ na ‘La Louve d'Arnac’ prve 34 table i ‘La Tour d'Arnac’ zadnjih 30 tabli.
Mnogo detaljnije se može naći na http://bdzoom.com/7009/patrimoine/le-coin-du-patrimoine-william-vance-dans-femmes-daujourdhui-1ere-partie/ odakle je i sljedeći citat:
‘In detail, in Femmes d’Aujourd’hui, this cycle consisted of two episodes. The first (Le Trésor des Wisigoths) comprised fifty-six plates which were published, at the rate of one per week (from n ° 44 of October 26, 1977 to n ° 47 of November 21, 1978) and which made the object of two albums, in 1983: "Ils étaient cinq" (thirty-seven plates partially reworked and entirely recolored) and " Les Otages " (forty-four pages corresponding to the last twenty plates and to the first ten of the second story: " Qui es -you, Visigoth? ”), to which were added many additional drawings.
"Qui es-tu, Wisigoth?" Totaled thirty-eight plates published, at the rate of one page per week, from n ° 20 of May 12, 1981 to n ° 5 of February 2, 1982; and an album which only presented the first part (" Les Yeux du Guadiana ", published in 1989) was equipped with eighteen unpublished boards (which can be found in the introduction to the complete proposed today), of a five-page summary of "Ils étaient cinq" and "Otages", and of the transformation of plates eleven to nineteen, published in Femmes d'Aujourd'hui , into twenty-three plates completely redone: you still follow?’
Iskreno ja sam se već i ranije izgubio u objašnjenjima.
Dargaud je u period 01/1977 do 09/1989 objavio devet (9) albuma Ramiroa a u periodu 06/2005 do 12/2011 je u sklopu izdanja Tout Vance objavio četiri (4) Ramiro toma, brojevi 10 – 13, gdje su devet (9) albuma izašli u prva tri (3) toma a u četvrtom je objavljen ‘La louve d'Arnac’ u dvije epizode.
Album ‘Ramiro et le charlatan’ je kronološki objavljen tek kao šesti (6) album u seriji a ima oznaku/broj 2 a u Tout Vance je objavljen u tomu 10. L'intégrale Ramiro (1ère partie) 06/2005 kao druga epizoda.
Album ‘Qui es-tu, Wisigoth ?... 2 L'héritage des W.’ je davno najavljen pod brojem deset (10) ali nikada nije objavljen kao album?! No ipak je objavljen u Tout Vance Tome 12. L'intégrale Ramiro (3ème partie) 07/2010.
Pregled iz prvog posta je potrebno dopuniti:
i) “Le Secret du Breton“ je prvi dio objavljen u Comic strip 6
ii) “Le batard” i “Ramiro et le charlatan” su objavljeni u Bookglobe Integral Ramiro 1
iii) “Traquenard à Conques”, “Le Secret du Breton”, “Les gardiens du Bierzo” i “Tonnerre sur la Galicia” su objavljeni u Bookglobe Integral Ramiro 2
iv) dopisati dvije epizode/albuma “La Louve d'Arnac” i “La Tour d'Arnac”
Interesantno je navesti da je album/epizoda “Ils étaient cinq” u Comic stripu ‘preveden’ kao “Bila su šestorica” a ne “Bila su petorica” ili “Bilo ih je pet”.
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