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Lord Vader89
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Posted - 07/07/2011 : 21:09:01
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quote: Originally posted by Paka01
quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. 
Najbolji Trek u ovoj galaksiji.   
Meni je to poslije Enterpriesa najdosadniji Star Trek. Napetije mi je kad putuju tamo-vamo po galaksiji 
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Paka01
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Mr. Bushido
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Posted - 07/07/2011 : 21:29:42
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quote: Originally posted by Paka01
Meni je to poslije Enterpriesa najdosadniji Star Trek. Napetije mi je kad putuju tamo-vamo po galaksiji 
Najdosadniji? Kako pobogu?
Uz najbolje svemirske bitke s ove strane Galactice? Uz najbolje političke intrige s ove strane Babylona 5? Uz najbolje likove koje nijedan Trek... ne, jedna TV serija nema?
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Posted - 07/07/2011 : 22:37:18
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. 
Najbolji Trek u ovoj galaksiji.   
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Darth Ivan
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 00:02:10
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quote: Originally posted by lwood
koje su to "većina nabrojanih"?
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iskreno, većinu ovih serija nisam gledao (tj. jesam, ali samo par epizoda, ne smatram se "fanom"). ali uglavnom, od ovih koje si ti naveo ja bih jedino izdvojio "Beverly Hills" i "Family matters" kao negledljive (možda).
ali, ono što je kolega Zagor (po meni) zaboravio navest u anketi je Baywatch (iliti Spasilačka služba) - koja se dosta puta (u prethodne dvije godine, ak se ne varam), reprizirala na Novoj TV preko ljeta. ja bi recimo nju definirao pojmovima "negledljivo" i "cheesy". |
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Amos
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 09:41:56
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Meni je to poslije Enterpriesa najdosadniji Star Trek. Napetije mi je kad putuju tamo-vamo po galaksiji  [/quote]
Ajme, stvarno blasfemično Paka . Samo kad se T'Pol ukaže odmah ti teorija u Enterpriseu pada u vodu!
Po meni: 1. Next generation . . 2. Enterprise 3. Voyager 4. Kirk . . . . . 5. DS9
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Mr. Bushido
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 10:44:22
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quote: Originally posted by Amos
Po meni: 1. Next generation . . 2. Enterprise 3. Voyager 4. Kirk . . . . . 5. DS9
Moj redoslijed je potpuno suprotan ovome, s tim da bih zamijenio The Next Generation i Enterprise.  |
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Amos
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 11:28:22
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Au! Sto ljudi, petsto ćudi! Bushido, ti si više za vintage stvari ili su ti se ovi noviji potrošili u ponavljanju? |
Uža san gledati Inspektora Rexa, ali odusta san kad su prominili pasa. |
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Lord Vader89
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 12:29:00
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
quote: Originally posted by Amos
Po meni: 1. Next generation . . 2. Enterprise 3. Voyager 4. Kirk . . . . . 5. DS9
Moj redoslijed je potpuno suprotan ovome, s tim da bih zamijenio The Next Generation i Enterprise. 
1. DS9 2. TNG (ali su mnogo blizu jedna drugoj) 3. TOS 4. VOY (Enterprise nisam gledao jos uvek, ali kapiram da nece doci bas visoko )
jedino objasnjenje koje imam za to sto se ljudima ne svidja DS9 je to sto se ne uklapa u klasicni ST sablon, vec itekako izlazi iz njega. Da je umesto DS9 isla jos jedna u fazonu "space, the final frontier", Boga pitaj da li bi posle nje uopste videli i onu jednu i po seriju (VOY i ENT) |
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Amos
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 13:13:57
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Ne bih rekao da se DS9 baš ne uklapa u šablonu. Još uvijek su tu stalno nove egzotične rase, akcija, tehnološke fore i slično. I dalje mi je jedna od najboljih epizoda Star trek serijala "Trials and Tribble-ations", to je ono kada se Sisko i Dax vrate u prošlost kod Kirka, pa komentiraju modu i tehnologiju tog vremena. Odlična epizoda. Međutim, likovi u DS9 su mi bez nekih karizmi, po meni malo bljutavo i mlako. Da ne govorim koliko mi Ferengiji idu na jetra.
O TNG ne treba trošiti riječi, a Enterprise mi je dobar jer je malo prljaviji od standarda Star treka. Još da su glumcima dali da koji put dobro opsuju ili se napiju, serija bi bila super . |
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Mr. Bushido
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 13:27:27
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quote: Originally posted by Amos
Au! Sto ljudi, petsto ćudi! Bushido, ti si više za vintage stvari ili su ti se ovi noviji potrošili u ponavljanju?
Ja sam mišljenja da ako ideš raditi neku ozbiljnu seriju sa ozbiljnom radnjom (bilo da je riječ o SF-u, westernu, horroru, fantasyju, policijskoj drami, obiteljskoj drami, itd.) onda ta serija mora imati nešto što će publiku držati pred ekranom svih tih sedam sezona i 200 epizoda. Mora imati dramu, sukob, zanimljive, trodimenzionalne likove i kakav-takav osjećaj kontinuiteta.
Originalni Star Trek je uz revolucionarnu tematiku ponudio baš to. Imao si živopisne likove, koji se često nisu međusobno slagali, i koji su nudili određenu dozu drame. Najveći problem originalnog serijala je taj što je imao kriminalno mali budžet i jeftine specijalne efekte i to se bolno vidi u svakom kadru. Zato su animirana serija i filmovi bili jako dobri, imali su sve prednosti TV-serijala i mnogo veći budžet. Plus, animacijom su bile izvedive mnoge stvari koje tada igranofilmski specijalni efekti nisu mogli postići.
The Next Generation je po meni bio kvalitativno čisti korak unazad. Imao si koncept koji je doslovno prekopiran iz originalnog serijala. Imao si bolje efekte i ispoliranije scenarije, ali nisi imao nikakvu dramu i blijede, nezanimljive likove. Dobro za Datu, Picarda, Worfa ili Q-a, ali Riker, LaForge, Crusherica, Wesley, Tasha i Troi su bili katastrofalno dosadni i bezdušni. Vidi se da scenaristi nisu imali pojma šta bi s njima.
A onda je došao Deep Space Nine, sunce nad suncima. Ovdje se se sve nevjerojatno dobro posložilo. Trodimenzionalni likovi sa velikim L, kontinuirana radnja koja praktički teče od prve do zadnje epizode, odličan tim scenarista, odlični specijalni efekti, SF koncepti začinjeni konkretnim društvenim i političkim komentarima (problemi manjina, integracije, homoseksualnosti, morala, genocida, itd.) i nevjerojatno dobri glumci. Ja mislim da je čisti kriminal što Andrew J. Robinson nije nikada dobio nijednu nagradu za ulogu Garaka. To je bila uloga života. Deep Space Nine nije jedna odlična SF serija, to je jedna od najboljih serija ikad.
Voyager i Enterprise su pokušali nekako kombinirati koncepte originalne serije i DS9 (više originalna serija nego DS9), ali su ponudili samo reciklirane priče, blijede likove i nulu od drame. |
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Lord Vader89
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 13:49:11
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au, i Amost i Bushido :O 1. likovi u DS9 su bez harizme? :O 2. likovi iz TNGa su dosadni i bezdusni? :O |
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Darth Ivan
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 14:49:35
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
Ja sam mišljenja da ako ideš raditi neku ozbiljnu seriju sa ozbiljnom radnjom (bilo da je riječ o SF-u, westernu, horroru, fantasyju, policijskoj drami, obiteljskoj drami, itd.) onda ta serija mora imati nešto što će publiku držati pred ekranom svih tih sedam sezona i 200 epizoda. Mora imati dramu, sukob, zanimljive, trodimenzionalne likove i kakav-takav osjećaj kontinuiteta.
Originalni Star Trek je uz revolucionarnu tematiku ponudio baš to. Imao si živopisne likove, koji se često nisu međusobno slagali, i koji su nudili određenu dozu drame. Najveći problem originalnog serijala je taj što je imao kriminalno mali budžet i jeftine specijalne efekte i to se bolno vidi u svakom kadru. Zato su animirana serija i filmovi bili jako dobri, imali su sve prednosti TV-serijala i mnogo veći budžet. Plus, animacijom su bile izvedive mnoge stvari koje tada igranofilmski specijalni efekti nisu mogli postići.
The Next Generation je po meni bio kvalitativno čisti korak unazad. Imao si koncept koji je doslovno prekopiran iz originalnog serijala. Imao si bolje efekte i ispoliranije scenarije, ali nisi imao nikakvu dramu i blijede, nezanimljive likove. Dobro za Datu, Picarda, Worfa ili Q-a, ali Riker, LaForge, Crusherica, Wesley, Tasha i Troi su bili katastrofalno dosadni i bezdušni. Vidi se da scenaristi nisu imali pojma šta bi s njima.
A onda je došao Deep Space Nine, sunce nad suncima. Ovdje se se sve nevjerojatno dobro posložilo. Trodimenzionalni likovi sa velikim L, kontinuirana radnja koja praktički teče od prve do zadnje epizode, odličan tim scenarista, odlični specijalni efekti, SF koncepti začinjeni konkretnim društvenim i političkim komentarima (problemi manjina, integracije, homoseksualnosti, morala, genocida, itd.) i nevjerojatno dobri glumci. Ja mislim da je čisti kriminal što Andrew J. Robinson nije nikada dobio nijednu nagradu za ulogu Garaka. To je bila uloga života. Deep Space Nine nije jedna odlična SF serija, to je jedna od najboljih serija ikad.
Voyager i Enterprise su pokušali nekako kombinirati koncepte originalne serije i DS9 (više originalna serija nego DS9), ali su ponudili samo reciklirane priče, blijede likove i nulu od drame.
ja sam recimo bezbroj puta od mojih frendova čuo da je Next Generation najbolji serijal. ne znam zašto bi to bilo tako, ali pretpostavljam da ima neke veze sa Patrickom Stewartom. ja osobno nisam baš neki fan ovog serijala (ne volim baš SF, generalno gledajući), ali ih se složio s ovim što si napisao. iako moram reći da je William Shatner (glumac u originalnom serijalu) malo pretjerao u svojoj ulozi. tako da je izraz "overacting" koji se s njim inače često povezuje opravdan. |
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Paka01
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Mr. Bushido
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 17:12:58
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Vader89
2. likovi iz TNGa su dosadni i bezdusni? :O
Data, Picard, Q i Pulaskica su bili super. Worf i O'Brien su bili dobri, ali uvijek imam dojam da su puno bolje iskorišteni u DS9. Pogotovo O'Brienova pozadina heroja federacijsko-kardasijskog rata.
Ostali likovi su mi jako slabi. Pogotovo onaj dosadnjaković Wesley.
Najviše što me smetalo kod TNG je apsolutni nedostatak drame. Džaba ti zanimljivi SF zapleti ako se među likovima ništa ne događa. |
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Lord Vader89
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 19:38:39
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Bushido
Data, Picard, Q i Pulaskica su bili super.
Pulaskova je meni bila, onako....OK, ali me je smarala dosta :/ valjda zato sto nije bila privlacna poput Crusherove
quote: Worf i O'Brien su bili dobri, ali uvijek imam dojam da su puno bolje iskorišteni u DS9. Pogotovo O'Brienova pozadina heroja federacijsko-kardasijskog rata.
Worf je jedan od likova koji je meni najvise jednodimenzionalan u TNG :/ otprilike bi se njegov citav doprinos seriji mogao svesti na punchline: "Sir, I suggest we arm the phasors/photon torpedos!"
O'Brien je bio tek gostujuci lik u TNG, nisu verovatno mogli da dopuste luksuz da ga dalje razvijaju. (otprilike kao i onaj smuseni Redzinald Barkli)
quote: Ostali likovi su mi jako slabi. Pogotovo onaj dosadnjaković Wesley.
ma Wesley je katastrofa i....sta znam, nisu ostali likovi Bog zna sta....LaForge, Troi, Riker....ali su vrlo lepo funkcionisali zajedno, to se ne moez osporiti. neka sarolikost postoji, kao i hemija izmedju likova :) i, recimo, TNG ima Guinan, koja je vrlo zanimljiva i jedinstvena pojava u Star treku :)
plus, da dodam, TNG je najvise doprineo razvoju ST mitologije, ubaceni su svi novi svetovi koji su dalje iskorisceni u DS9 (sta ja znam...Kardasija, Ferenginar, Bejzur....), blize je definisana politicka situacija u galaksiji (Klingonsko carstvo, Romulansko carstvo, itd....), kroz mnoge zaista sjajne epizode. Pritom je serija odlicno zaokruzena na isti nacin kako je pocela, i zaista cini jednu super celinu :)
e sad, fora je u tome da to uporedjujemo sa DS9, i mastamo u fazonu "what if?" (OK, ja barem to radim, pa pretpostavljam da je i kod tebe tako :D :) ) dakle, da je TNG imao sve odlike poput DS9, da su recimo sukob sa Borgovima pretvorili u jedan ogroman konflikt, pa u taj kontekst stavili i politiku cele galaksije, pa da su ubacili jos koji dolar za specijalne efekte, studija, itd....mozda bismo imali jednako genijalnu seriju :)
ali, i bez svega toga....TNG je odlicna nadogradnja TOS, zaista korak napred. da su bili dovoljno pametni da urade nesto slicno sa Voyagerom, da nadju nesto novo, ali opet da zadrze prvobitni smek, mislim da ne bi ni dolazilo do prekida fransize.... :/ :)
quote: Najviše što me smetalo kod TNG je apsolutni nedostatak drame. Džaba ti zanimljivi SF zapleti ako se među likovima ništa ne događa.
pa TNG jos i najvise toga ima od svih ST serija izuzev DS9. sta, u TOS ili VOY ima bas nekih sjajnih veza izmedju likova? :/ pogotovu Voyager, koji mozda ima najgluplju/najdosadniju postavu svih vremena, sreca da je radnja serije kudikamo zanimljiva, inace nish'....
opet kazem, nisam gledao ENT, tako da....verovatno mi VOY nece biti bas najgori :D :)) |
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 19:45:39
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quote: Originally posted by Darth Ivan
quote: Originally posted by lwood
koje su to "većina nabrojanih"?
ove podcrtane
Allo allo (ovo se da pogledat) Cosby Show The black adder Friends Only fools and horses (ovo se da pogledat) Star Trek The Fresh prince of Bel-Air Family matters Married… with Children (ovo se da pogledat) Full house (Ova mi nije poznata) Bevery Hills,90210 The nanny Malcolm in the middle Miami vice
iskreno, većinu ovih serija nisam gledao (tj. jesam, ali samo par epizoda, ne smatram se "fanom"). ali uglavnom, od ovih koje si ti naveo ja bih jedino izdvojio "Beverly Hills" i "Family matters" kao negledljive (možda).
ali, ono što je kolega Zagor (po meni) zaboravio navest u anketi je Baywatch (iliti Spasilačka služba) - koja se dosta puta (u prethodne dvije godine, ak se ne varam), reprizirala na Novoj TV preko ljeta. ja bi recimo nju definirao pojmovima "negledljivo" i "cheesy".
stoji,ali baywatch nije humoristična serija.(ka večina ovih,bar bi tribale bit) |
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Lord Vader89
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Posted - 08/07/2011 : 19:51:29
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baywatch je serija iz koje smo se kao klinjosi ucili da gledamo u sise  ono, protrci jedna od bujnijih "cuvarki" plazom, i sutradan se ceo dan prica u skoli o tome   |
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Darth Ivan
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 00:26:24
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Vader89
baywatch je serija iz koje smo se kao klinjosi ucili da gledamo u sise  ono, protrci jedna od bujnijih "cuvarki" plazom, i sutradan se ceo dan prica u skoli o tome  
Pamela Anderson je po tom pitanju bila najjača    ja se sjećam kak nas je profa iz vjeronauka puštao ranije doma zbog te serije   |
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 10:21:20
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Izvinjavam se kolegama trekkijima, ali pošto su u ST moji Romulanci prikazivani kao negativci (grom spalio Paramount!), glasao sam za: Mučke.
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 16:13:54
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quote: Ostali likovi su mi jako slabi. Pogotovo onaj dosadnjaković Wesley.
ma Wesley je katastrofa [/quote]
majdosadniji, najnaporniji lik u povijesti TV-a koji je smisao da dijete teenager vozi brod od 197828719286172687217136 dolara?!?! pa zar je to crtić? koje sranje   čemu služe one akademije i slične pizdarije kad on odmah bude časnik ili koji k_? |
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