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mr murdoc
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Posted - 17/03/2015 : 19:38:27
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quote: Originally posted by tinton
quote: Originally posted by dosada
Općenito o njihovom (ustvari prevenstveno mislim na Ivančića koji je pukel) pisanju zadnjih 15 godina. Dok su se bavili istraživačkim novinarstvom u pisanom izdanju FT-a bili su dobri ali ovo kasnije je jadno i u službi konstantnih napada na neistomišljenike....
Meni je Robi K. nešto najduhovitije što postoji. U ovim "pravim" novinskim člancima mi je Ivančić osjetno slabiji. Ali njegov članak svejedno pogađa bit (iako nije po meni trebao tako s đonom na Lustiga).
Dežulovićev članak je, s druge strane, odličan. Kao i većina njegovih članaka. Em je dobro napisan, em pogađa bit.
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Johnny Difool
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Posted - 17/03/2015 : 19:51:05
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A koje su to novinarske nagrade dobila ta dvojica?
Kad baš insistiraš:
http://www.hrvatskodrustvopisaca.hr/hr/clan/viktor-ivancic-87
Nagrade:
- Sedam sekretara SKOJ-a 1984. - Nagrada „Veselko Tenžera“ 1992. (zajedno s Borisom Dežulovićem i Predragom Lucićem) - Nagrada Međunarodne federacije novinara 1996. - Međunarodna nagrada za slobodu tiska 1997. (dodjeljuje Committee to Protect Journalists, New York) - Nagrada „Olof Palme“ 1998. (dodjeljuje Zaklada Olof Palme, Stockholm) - Nagrada „Joško Kulušić“ 1999. (dodjeljuje Hrvatski helsinški odbor) - Nagrada „Zlatna golubica za mir“ 2007. (dodjeljuje Archivio Disarmo, Rim) - Nagrada „Duško Kondor“ za promicanje građanske hrabrosti 2011. (dodjeljuje organizacija GARIWO, Sarajevo) - novinarska nagrada beogradskog lista Danas "Stanislav Staša Marinković" 2013. godine
http://www.napolaputa.net/ucesnici/2012-godina/boris-dezulovic/
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Nagrade: – 1992. – godišnja novinarska nagrada “Veselko Tenžera” – s Predragom Lucićem i Viktorom Ivančićem – 2004. – za roman Christkind dobiva nagradu Jutarnjeg lista za najbolje prozno djelo; – 2004. – nagrada “Marija Jurić Zagorka” Hrvatskog novinarskog društva za novinara godine – za Pjesme iz Lore: nagrada Hrvatskog Helsinškog odbora “Joško Kulušić”; – 2006. četvrto mjesto (i jednomjesečna stipendija u Beču) na natječaju za veliku nagradu istočnoeuropske literature; dodjeljuju nakladnik Lojze Wieser i Kulturkontakt - nagrada European Press Prize za najbolji komentar 2013. godine
Usput, Dežulović i Ivančić su najbolji hrvatski komentatori / kolumnisti. To što se ovdje ta kategorija izjednačava s onom novinara, pa se tvrdi da bi i kolumnisti / komentatori trebali "prenositi činjenice" i valjda strogo informirati javnost ( ), to tek govori o nečijoj neupućenosti.
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Ja necu imati s kim ostati mlad ako svi ostarite, i ta ce mi mladost teško pasti... |
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dosada
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Tonto
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Posted - 17/03/2015 : 19:56:33
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quote: Usput, Dežulović i Ivančić su najbolji hrvatski komentatori / kolumnisti. To što se ovdje ta kategorija izjednačava s onom novinara, pa se tvrdi da bi i kolumnisti / komentatori trebali "prenositi činjenice" i valjda strogo informirati javnost (), to tek govori o nečijoj neupućenosti.
Aj dobro da si napisao, meni se nije dalo. |
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dosada
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Posted - 17/03/2015 : 20:00:26
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umjesto toga kaj ti se nije dalo bilo bi bolje da si još jednom pročital kaj sam točno napisal...ali OK vi ste shvatil napisano kak ste shvatil, ali činjenica je da je napisano nekaj drugo od onog kaj vi komentirate! Isto kak je od Ivančića nekorektno da stavlja riječi u usta drugim i izvrče njihove izjave, tak je i nekorektno od vas da meni stavljate konstrukcije koje nisam napisal...ali s obzirom da vam to ne smeta kod Ivančića onda to vjerojatno je vaš uobičajeni način komunikacije i shvaćanja drugih (: |
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Tonto
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Posted - 17/03/2015 : 20:09:21
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Sve mi se čini da tebe nitko na ovom forumu ne razumije i problem je naravno u svima ostalima.
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The less I have the more I am a happy man |
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dosada
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Posted - 17/03/2015 : 20:16:20
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quote: Originally posted by Tonto
Sve mi se čini da tebe nitko na ovom forumu ne razumije i problem je naravno u svima ostalima.
problema nema....samo velim kak stvari stoje. Nigdje nisam rekel da nema razlike između kolumniste i izvjestitelja a kak vidim vi na to aludirate, zar ne? Pa slobodno vi aludirajte ali ja sam velim da nisam to nigdje napisal! I kolumnist i novinar izvjestitelj imaju za cilj informirati javnost svojim saznanjima i potvrđenim činjenicama, postavljanjem pitanja i bez manipuliranja. Najbolje kolumne su one koje postavljaju čitatelju pitanja, ane one koje nude/serviraju odgovore... |
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tinton
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Posted - 17/03/2015 : 20:17:32
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quote: Originally posted by dosada
umjesto toga kaj ti se nije dalo bilo bi bolje da si još jednom pročital kaj sam točno napisal...ali OK vi ste shvatil napisano kak ste shvatil, ali činjenica je da je napisano nekaj drugo od onog kaj vi komentirate! Isto kak je od Ivančića nekorektno da stavlja riječi u usta drugim i izvrče njihove izjave, tak je i nekorektno od vas da meni stavljate konstrukcije koje nisam napisal...ali s obzirom da vam to ne smeta kod Ivančića onda to vjerojatno je vaš uobičajeni način komunikacije i shvaćanja drugih (:
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VALTER
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dsormaz1
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wolf
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Posted - 17/03/2015 : 20:23:08
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Po tim mjerilima (ako se drobljenje gluposti i pristrano pljuvanje) definira kvalitetnim onda su bez sumnje i Bujanec i Ivkošić iznimno kvalitetni novinari. |
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mladjo
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Posted - 17/03/2015 : 20:24:49
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Ajmo dosta o ovome. opet politizirate. prijeđite na drugu temu. Prvo i posljednje upozorenje. |
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dosada
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Beva
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Posted - 17/03/2015 : 20:26:31
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quote: Originally posted by wolf
Po tim mjerilima (ako se drobljenje gluposti i pristrano pljuvanje) definira kvalitetnim onda su bez sumnje i Bujanec i Ivkošić iznimno kvalitetni novinari.
Svaki je čovjek pristran, bez iznimke. Ti si sad pristran. Kolumnisti smiju biti pristrani, zašto ne?
Propao ti je pokušaj podbadanja jer si pretpostavio da nisu osvajali nikakve nagrade, kad ti je pokazano da jesu kažeš da su to gluposti. |
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izivko
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Posted - 17/03/2015 : 20:26:51
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quote: Originally posted by dsormaz1
quote: Originally posted by Johnny Difool
Nagrade:
- Sedam sekretara SKOJ-a 1984.

Ova mu je sigurno najdraža  Ups, ne vidih mladjino upozorenje  |
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Edited by - izivko on 17/03/2015 20:27:55 |
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wolf
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Posted - 17/03/2015 : 20:29:16
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I Nives Celzijus je dobila nagradu. Što će reći - ponekad se nagrade olako dijele.
A što se tiče mog 'pokušaja', ne moram ja ništa pokušavati. Dovoljno se osvrnuti na količnu mržnje u Ivančićevim tekstovima i to govori više od ičega. Ono, kako govor mržnje umotati u celofan kvazinovinarstva. |
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wolf
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Beva
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Posted - 17/03/2015 : 20:32:34
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quote: Originally posted by wolf
I Nives Celzijus je dobila nagradu. Što će reći - ponekad se nagrade olako dijele.
OK, ali ti si pitao koje su nagrade osvojila ta dvojica pretpostavljajući da nisu osvojili ništa.
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A što se tiče mog 'pokušaja', ne moram ja ništa pokušavati. Dovoljno se osvrnuti na količnu mržnje u Ivančićevim tekstovima i to govori više od ičega. Ono, kako govor mržnje umotati u celofan kvazinovinarstva.
Tebi je to mržnja, meni je mržnja ovo što ti pišeš o Ivančiću. Jebi ga, kažem, svi smo pristrani. |
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tinton
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Posted - 17/03/2015 : 20:32:49
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quote: Originally posted by wolf
I Nives Celzijus je dobila nagradu.
Nagrada struke nije isto što i broj kupljenih primjeraka.
A što se tiče Ivančićeve mržnje, ako i postoji (više je to opravdana ogorčenost) to ne određuje kvalitetu novinara.
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wolf
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tinton
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Posted - 17/03/2015 : 20:37:31
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Vi bi baš da se netko navuče, je li?
Ne bi bilo korektno da nisam odgovorio. Ti biraš hoćeš li nastaviti (ja već riskiram ban). |
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wolf
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mladjo
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Posted - 17/03/2015 : 20:41:43
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beva, izivko, wolf, tinton - 24 sata. ostali - upozorenje i dalje vrijedi. |
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Just_Charlie
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Posted - 17/03/2015 : 21:03:12
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Dosla sam vidjet sto se zbilo da je ono malo cedo pokajnicki u grupi na fejsu zavrsilo rijecima: baniralo me:( Hahaha..koja komedija, kaze on: mladjo ne prasta. Sad sam i ja dobra, ha?
Ginite muski, sunce vam vase. Nema utjehe za umrle :) |
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