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Luca_Torelli
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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 15:49:06  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Luca_Torelli a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Nitko nije tebe imenovao.



evo, odgovoril sam i sve je jasno ak ima volje shvatiti!

nego, kaj tebi stvara upitnik?



Nisi bio određen glede "mladi forumaši" i pronašao se u tome jer se osjećam mlado (a i izgledam tako).

Inače, upitnik (na)pišem kad se nešto (za)pitam.

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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 15:53:29  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send dosada a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Luca_Torelli

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Originally posted by dosada

quote:
Originally posted by Luca_Torelli
Nitko nije tebe imenovao.



evo, odgovoril sam i sve je jasno ak ima volje shvatiti!

nego, kaj tebi stvara upitnik?



Nisi bio određen glede "mladi forumaši" i pronašao se u tome jer se osjećam mlado (a i izgledam tako).

Inače, upitnik (na)pišem kad se nešto (za)pitam.


da, ali nije bilo određeno kaj pitaš

mladi forumaši, u smislu da nemaju iskustva i sve kaj pročitaju prihvate zdravo za gotovo. Na prvi pogled izgleda grubo, ali kad staneš i razmiliš kaj je napisano onda shvatiš da bi sam volio da je to tak...dapače, čak si i uvjeren da je. Ponekad je dobro da te netko sastrane malo potakne na razmišljanje, a ne da se odmah (bilo tko, ne ti direktno) nađeš uvrijeđen!

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Luca_Torelli
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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 15:56:39  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Luca_Torelli a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dosada

quote:
Originally posted by Luca_Torelli

quote:
Originally posted by dosada

quote:
Originally posted by Luca_Torelli
Nitko nije tebe imenovao.



evo, odgovoril sam i sve je jasno ak ima volje shvatiti!

nego, kaj tebi stvara upitnik?



Nisi bio određen glede "mladi forumaši" i pronašao se u tome jer se osjećam mlado (a i izgledam tako).

Inače, upitnik (na)pišem kad se nešto (za)pitam.


da, ali nije bilo određeno kaj pitaš

mladi forumaši, u smislu da nemaju iskustva i sve kaj pročitaju prihvate zdravo za gotovo. Na prvi pogled izgleda grubo, ali kad staneš i razmiliš kaj je napisano onda shvatiš da bi sam volio da je to tak...dapače, čak si i uvjeren da je. Ponekad je dobro da te netko sastrane malo potakne na razmišljanje, a ne da se odmah (bilo tko, ne ti direktno) nađeš uvrijeđen!



Iskustvo nema veze s godinama, već načinom života(renja).

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Luca_Torelli
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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 15:59:25  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Luca_Torelli a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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ja ocekujem dobar film. zanima me takodjer da li je "rasisticki skandal" opravdan il je samo "marketing".



Marketing. Pa nije Tarantinu bilo u planu napraviti dramu o patnjama crnog naroda, već akcijsku priču s nekoliko dužih dijaloga.

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dosada
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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 16:00:16  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send dosada a Private Message  Reply with Quote
pa ja godine ni ne spominjem...uostalom vidi kaj sam Smomi odgovoril u vezi toga!

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Luca_Torelli
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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 16:07:47  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Luca_Torelli a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Trebao bi ti (iskustvo) i Smomo8 (mladost) skupa na DU! ;)

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dosada
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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 16:14:25  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send dosada a Private Message  Reply with Quote
;)

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stripofil
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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 16:37:08  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send stripofil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by dosada

....fakat ne kužim te ljude koji pišo o filmovima profesionalno i da ne znaju pravilno koristit određenu terminolgiju. Pa da samo pogledaš Leoneove vesterne vec ti je jasno da Django Unchained nema veze sa špagetima osim muzike...



Molim te ne širi dezinformacije.







Edited by - stripofil on 11/01/2013 16:38:44
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dosada
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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 16:42:34  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send dosada a Private Message  Reply with Quote
to je ova verzija koju je polimac gledel ;)

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stripofil
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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 16:55:52  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send stripofil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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to je ova verzija koju je polimac gledel ;)





Necenzurirana verzija.
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tinton
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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 17:39:17  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send tinton a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nadam se ovo ići gledat us korijem periodu

Dajte nam Banija Libre;može i mekokoricen (ali u boji obavezno)!
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Snake Plissken
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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 18:04:33  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Snake Plissken a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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evo malo objašnjenja kaj su špageti:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti_Western


Nije neki clanak, iskreno - Spageti vestern ispada odredjeni model koji je Leone postavio, posto se samo tu nesto i razradjuje u clanku. Uglavnom se govori o prijemu kod publike i kritike, kao i emulaciji modela od strane drugih rezisera i glumaca. Ne bih rekao da su Fistfull i Once upon a time in the West bas jako slicni filmovi, sem da se vidi da je autor isti, model je prilicno razlicit (izuzimajuci duele i sjajnu muziku).

Definicija bas i nije preterano precizna, realno :

Sergio Leone's Fistful of Dollars and the following films in his Dollars trilogy created the Spaghetti Western as a novel kind of Western. In this seminal film the hero enters a town that is ruled by two outlaw gangs and ordinary social relations are non-existent. He betrays and plays the gangs against one another in order to make money. Then he uses his cunning and inordinate weapons skill to assist a family threatened by both gangs. He is disclosed and severely beaten, but in the end he again uses cunning and inordinate weapons skills to defeat the remaining gang. The interaction in this story between a mode of cunning and irony (the tricks, deceits, unexpected actions and sarcasms of the hero) on the one hand, and a mode of pathos (terror and brutality against defenceless people and against the hero after he has been revealed) on the other, was aspired to and sometimes attained by the imitations that soon flooded the cinemas. Just as seminal and imitated was Ennio Morricone's music that expresses a similar duality between quirky and unusual sounds and instruments on the one hand and sacral dramatizing for the big confrontation scenes, on the other.
Especially the mode of the pathetic received a big boost with Sergio Corbucci's very influential Django. However in the following years the mode of cunning and irony became more prominent, not least under influence of Leone's next two Westerns, with their emphasis on unstable partnerships. In the last phase of the Spaghetti Western, with the Trinity films, the Leone legacy had been transformed almost beyond recognition, as (low) comedy reigned and terror and deadly violence gave way to harmless brawling.
Leone's films and other "core" Spaghetti Westerns are often described as having eschewed, critizised or even "demythologized"[7] many of the conventions of traditional US Westerns.

Ne tvrdim da znam sta je spageti vestern, jer ne znam, nego me interesuje konkretnije objasnjenje, ako postoji. Ovo je prilicno sareni.

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mr murdoc
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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 18:07:47  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send mr murdoc a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tutta

ja ocekujem dobar film. zanima me takodjer da li je "rasisticki skandal" opravdan il je samo "marketing".

Koji skandal?..

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acestroke
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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 18:13:12  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit acestroke's Homepage  Send acestroke a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mr murdoc

quote:
Originally posted by Tutta

ja ocekujem dobar film. zanima me takodjer da li je "rasisticki skandal" opravdan il je samo "marketing".

Koji skandal?..





Ma crnci u americi su se naljutili na QTa zato sto u previse filmova upotrebljava rijec 'nigger', a oni smatraju zato sto je covjek bijelac, da nema prava za to. Totalna glupost. Evo, baci pogled na ovaj article:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-django-unchained-controversy-20130102,0,6205870.story

http://www.acestroke.blogspot.com
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dosada
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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 18:16:12  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send dosada a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Snake Plissken
nego me interesuje konkretnije objasnjenje, ako postoji. Ovo je prilicno sareni.



kao i kod svakog žanra7podžanra nemaš neko konkretnije objašnjenje. Imaš neka osnovna bilježja i po tome se film svrstava! Kod špageta je uglavnom glavno obilježje brza akcija s malo dijaloga, po mogućnosti duhovite situacije. QT još pokušava s tim duhovitostima, ali jednostavno stilski je daleko od špageta!
I dobro da je, sam Django iz 1966. je stvarno osrednji film...

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mr murdoc
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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 18:24:23  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send mr murdoc a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by acestroke

quote:
Originally posted by mr murdoc

quote:
Originally posted by Tutta

ja ocekujem dobar film. zanima me takodjer da li je "rasisticki skandal" opravdan il je samo "marketing".

Koji skandal?..





Ma crnci u americi su se naljutili na QTa zato sto u previse filmova upotrebljava rijec 'nigger', a oni smatraju zato sto je covjek bijelac, da nema prava za to. Totalna glupost. Evo, baci pogled na ovaj article:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-django-unchained-controversy-20130102,0,6205870.story

Podsjeca me na skandal u Star Wars glede Jar Jar Binks-a...apsolutna glupost nigger

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stripofil
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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 18:37:12  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send stripofil a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mr murdoc

quote:
Originally posted by Tutta

ja ocekujem dobar film. zanima me takodjer da li je "rasisticki skandal" opravdan il je samo "marketing".

Koji skandal?..




Navodno mu zamjeraju relativizaciju i omalovažavanje ropstva... drugi mu zamjeraju što je malo "pobrkao" povijest i ubacio idiote sa bijelim šiljastim kapicama u krivo doba...
Čudno da mu nisu zamjerili što je u prethodnom filmu ubio hitlera, što je povijesno potpuno netočno.

http://www.contactmusic.com/news/slavery-controversy-continues-for-django-unchained-as-figurines-criticized_3440061
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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 18:57:50  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send mr murdoc a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by stripofil

quote:
Originally posted by mr murdoc

quote:
Originally posted by Tutta

ja ocekujem dobar film. zanima me takodjer da li je "rasisticki skandal" opravdan il je samo "marketing".

Koji skandal?..




Navodno mu zamjeraju relativizaciju i omalovažavanje ropstva... drugi mu zamjeraju što je malo "pobrkao" povijest i ubacio idiote sa bijelim šiljastim kapicama u krivo doba...
Čudno da mu nisu zamjerili što je u prethodnom filmu ubio hitlera, što je povijesno potpuno netočno.

http://www.contactmusic.com/news/slavery-controversy-continues-for-django-unchained-as-figurines-criticized_3440061

Apsurd..

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mr murdoc
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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 19:12:35  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send mr murdoc a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Luca_Torelli, dosada..

Quentin Tarantino je od samoga pocetka karijere bio plegijator i reciklator..ali njegov um posjeduje mogucnost da iz totalnog smeca izvuce sjaj.
Quentin Tarantino je ustvari veliki opsjenar koji puno paznje poklanja vizualnom, ali ustvari teziste prebacuje na apsurdnost likova i apsurdnost filozofije po kojoj isti egzistiraju.
U klasicno vizualne scene ubacuje sarkazam i komediju, a obicne scene puni dijalozima tipa “riba ribi grize rep“...
U Tarantinu je jedina genijalna stvar..njegova reciklazna snalazljivost.
On je videotekar i film freak koji je znao i jos uvijek zna popunjavati rupe.
U tome nema nista genijalnog, ali je naravno zabavno za nas filmofile..




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Edited by - mr murdoc on 11/01/2013 19:14:14
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Darth Ivan
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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 19:33:28  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Darth Ivan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Luca_Torelli, dosada..

Quentin Tarantino je od samoga pocetka karijere bio plegijator i reciklator..ali njegov um posjeduje mogucnost da iz totalnog smeca izvuce sjaj.
Quentin Tarantino je ustvari veliki opsjenar koji puno paznje poklanja vizualnom, ali ustvari teziste prebacuje na apsurdnost likova i apsurdnost filozofije po kojoj isti egzistiraju.
U klasicno vizualne scene ubacuje sarkazam i komediju, a obicne scene puni dijalozima tipa “riba ribi grize rep“...
U Tarantinu je jedina genijalna stvar..njegova reciklazna snalazljivost.
On je videotekar i film freak koji je znao i jos uvijek zna popunjavati rupe.
U tome nema nista genijalnog, ali je naravno zabavno za nas filmofile..



i eto, vidiš li taj paradoks?

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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 19:36:05  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send mr murdoc a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by mr murdoc

Luca_Torelli, dosada..

Quentin Tarantino je od samoga pocetka karijere bio plegijator i reciklator..ali njegov um posjeduje mogucnost da iz totalnog smeca izvuce sjaj.
Quentin Tarantino je ustvari veliki opsjenar koji puno paznje poklanja vizualnom, ali ustvari teziste prebacuje na apsurdnost likova i apsurdnost filozofije po kojoj isti egzistiraju.
U klasicno vizualne scene ubacuje sarkazam i komediju, a obicne scene puni dijalozima tipa “riba ribi grize rep“...
U Tarantinu je jedina genijalna stvar..njegova reciklazna snalazljivost.
On je videotekar i film freak koji je znao i jos uvijek zna popunjavati rupe.
U tome nema nista genijalnog, ali je naravno zabavno za nas filmofile..



i eto, vidiš li taj paradoks?

Paradox se nalazi u neprepoznavanju istoga ...vidis li ga ?

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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 19:39:18  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Darth Ivan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
sve vidim, uvijek

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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 19:40:23  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send rommel a Private Message  Reply with Quote
špagetri western je podrugljiv naziv amerikanaca za Westerne nastale u Europi a čiji su producenti bili dobrim dijelom talijani - u smislu geografske odrednice zapravo je pokrivao europu - naslov je ostao kao takav mada se podrugljiva nijansa vrlo brzo izgubila jer su poglavito neki naslovi bili sam vrh žanra - i da pojam nije označavao westerne snimane u italiji (ili isključivo u italiji) - jer ih je večina nastala u španjolskoj - almerija recimo, i rijetko se baš odnose na westerne njemačkih, engleskih producenata (Winnetou serijal, Hunting Party) - oni su najčešće svrstavani ipak u euro westerne...
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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 19:42:02  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send mr murdoc a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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sve vidim, uvijek

Volio bi da je tako Ivane ..

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Posted - 11/01/2013 : 19:46:58  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send mr murdoc a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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špagetri western je podrugljiv naziv amerikanaca za Westerne nastale u Europi a čiji su producenti bili dobrim dijelom talijani - u smislu geografske odrednice zapravo je pokrivao europu - naslov je ostao kao takav mada se podrugljiva nijansa vrlo brzo izgubila jer su poglavito neki naslovi bili sam vrh žanra - i da pojam nije označavao westerne snimane u italiji (ili isključivo u italiji) - jer ih je večina nastala u španjolskoj - almerija recimo, i rijetko se baš odnose na westerne njemačkih, engleskih producenata (Winnetou serijal, Hunting Party) - oni su najčešće svrstavani ipak u euro westerne...

Yeep , ali taj “podrugljivi naziv " je ustvari spasio western i donio neke od najboljih filmova ikad snimljene na tu temu.
Sergio Leone je bio Tata -Mata i veliki genije na kojega se danas filmovi Quentina Tarantina naveliko oslanjaju..to je to..

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