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Dranki
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 Posted - 19/12/2016 : 18:19:32
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| Prvo avion, sada ambasador, taman pred sutrašnje razgovore između Rusije, Turske i Irana. Navodno je ambasador preminuo, ali još ništa zvanično. |
I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote.
I love to sail forbidden seas, and land on barbarous coasts. |
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Risar_69
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Poli
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Slovenia
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Posted - 19/12/2016 : 18:46:03
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Turci vec vicu da je to djelo CIE ... a malo tise kazu da je dobio sto je zasluzio, valjda samo zato sto je Rus 
vec smo pricalo o "bananinim" prijateljima teroristima
https://twitter.com/Hamosh84/status/810812613001117696
https://twitter.com/ShoebridgeC/status/810872707898339328
posiljka za Idlib
https://twitter.com/Souria4Syrians/status/810863855136075776
3 more buses with injured, women & kids arrive from Foua & Kefraya to Aleppo
video: https://twitter.com/LizziePhelan/status/810854907767033856
https://twitter.com/LizziePhelan/status/810851967413211136
From Aleppo to Palmyra - "Preparation for a battle that will be mother of all battles" SAA, NDF, SRG & Allies.
https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/810357121133015040
IS claiming it shot down a RuAF helicopter near Tiyas/T4
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0DGUKdXEAEC1rV.jpg
Field report: ISIS reportedly shot down Russian helicopter near T4 airbase
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/field-report-isis-reportedly-shot-russian-helicopter-near-t4-airbase/
"SyAAF Gazelle was lost near T4 AB, non of the pilots survive the crash, possible shot down by ISIS"
ISIS backpedals in western Palmyra as Syrian Army continues counter-offensive
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isis-backpedals-western-palmyra-syrian-army-continues-counter-offensive/
Video: Syrian War Update – Palmyra Front (December 19, 2016)
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/video-syrian-war-update-palmyra-front-december-19-2016/
Vehicles stolen from Syrian Army by ISIS in Palmyra spotted in Iraq
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/vehicles-stolen-syrian-army-isis-palmyra-spotted-iraq/
Law passes making the PMU a part of Iraq’s national forces.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/law-passes-making-pmu-part-iraqs-national-forces/
Iraq’s FM: Iraqi militias in Syria are fighting without approval from Baghdad
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iraqs-fm-iraqi-militias-syria-fighting-without-approval-baghdad/
Russia sells $14 billion worth of military hardware in 2016
http://tass.com/defense/920534
10th day of Raqqa op: SDF liberated 7 villages early in the morning. 54 villages surrounded by SDF, 27 daesh killed
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0CgoTKXUAA3beD.jpg
Australian mosque declares fatwa on Christmas
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/australian-mosque-declares-fatwa-christmas/
IRIAF Iranian Air Force F-14AM Tomcat pilot & RIO test new ECM system of their airplane over Anarak EW range, Isfahan, center of Iran
https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/810879935422361600
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izivko
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Dranki
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Posted - 19/12/2016 : 19:01:59
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Reći će da je "usamljeni vuk", ali takvo što više ne postoji, mislim da sam pisao ovdje kako je FBI vrbovala "usamljene vukove". Ali ovakvo nešto je bilo očekivano uslijed tenzija zbog Alepa.
Lik je izgleda bio specijalac, legalno ušao na izložbu. Nemoguće je bilo da se spriječi.
http://i.imgur.com/zaiyrNi.jpg |
I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote.
I love to sail forbidden seas, and land on barbarous coasts. |
Edited by - Dranki on 19/12/2016 19:06:41 |
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Risar_69
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Slovenia
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Posted - 19/12/2016 : 19:16:51
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hm, možda zapad želi da se pred dolaskom Trumpa zaneti rat sa rusima.
Onda su vanredne razmere i Obama ostane predsjednik, to su več predvideli...
Zakulisne igrice velesila zbog kojih uvijek na kraju najviše nastrada mali nedužni čovijek! Erdogan zna,da Turska neče još vidjeti Europe, zato se je untoč incidentu sa sestrelitvijo ruskog lovca počeo razgovarati i povezivti za Rusijom, što ide u nos ameriki. Obe državi sta upleteni u konflikt u Siriji i skoro sta izničili upliv amer. tamo, i još to da obtožujejo upliv Rusije na izid predsedniških izbora. cia več radi. Stvari se mogu eskalirati u novi hladni rat velesila
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Kad pocneš crtati, uvek moraš imati na kraju olovke, srce, ruku i misli! |
Edited by - Risar_69 on 19/12/2016 19:22:51 |
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Poli
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Slovenia
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Posted - 19/12/2016 : 19:20:13
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Originally posted by izivko
Ovi bilmezi na HTV-u uživo prikazali snimku ubojstva
I nasi.
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Originally posted by Dranki
Reći će da je "usamljeni vuk", ali takvo što više ne postoji, mislim da sam pisao ovdje kako je FBI vrbovala "usamljene vukove". Ali ovakvo nešto je bilo očekivano uslijed tenzija zbog Alepa.
Lik je izgleda bio specijalac, legalno ušao na izložbu. Nemoguće je bilo da se spriječi.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0DlEkLWEAAp3tD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zaiyrNi.jpg
Navodno taj dan ovaj policajac nije bio na poslu, tamo je bio privatno ali je uz pomoc svoje polic. karte mogao uci (uci s oruzjem za pojasom?). Znaci, obezbeđenje otkazalo potpuno.
Odnosno, mogao bi to napraviti i da je bio tamo sluzbeno.
Kako vec rekoh, pad Aleppa je stakorima i pacovima iznimno tesko pao.
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izivko
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izivko
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Dranki
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Posted - 19/12/2016 : 19:26:03
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| I McCainu je teško palo. Vjerovatno znaš da je jednom prilikom rekao da je svaki dan u kontaktu sa umjerenima. Kojim umjerenima, to se može pretpostaviti. A to što pri svakom političkom ubistvu svako misli na CIA treba CIA da zahvali svom podužem dosijeu političkih ubistava. |
I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote.
I love to sail forbidden seas, and land on barbarous coasts. |
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Dranki
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Posted - 19/12/2016 : 19:27:35
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Originally posted by izivko
Po međunarodnom pravo ovaj atentat je dovoljan razlog za objavu rata.
Samo što Rusi nisu kreteni da igraju po scenariju onih koji to upravo žele. Zato nije bilo rata ni poslije rušenja aviona. |
I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote.
I love to sail forbidden seas, and land on barbarous coasts. |
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Poli
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Posted - 19/12/2016 : 19:42:34
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Prica se ... "U Alepu uhvaceno 22 americkih, 16 britanskih, 21 francuskih, 62 turskih i 17 izraelskih obavestajaca preko onih 14 od pre nekoliko dana."
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Edited by - Poli on 19/12/2016 19:43:56 |
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Risar_69
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Dranki
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Posted - 19/12/2016 : 20:02:51
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Razgovor između Rusije, Turske i Irana će se održati uprkos atentatu. Kao što rekoh, najgore bi bilo da spoljni faktori diktiraju ponašanje aktera i dešavanja dole. Samo da se ne dozvoli usijanim glavama u Turskoj i Rusiji da dobiju na momentumu.
A lik je navodno vikao ratni poklič radikalnih islamista prije polaska u bitku, nešto kao: "Zakleli smo se na lojalnost Muhamedu i džihadu".
Što je dobra stvar, čisto da se zna u koju ladicu da se smjesti, kada na Zapadu krenu da pravdaju ubistvo kao "reakciju mirnih žitelja i umjerene opozicije u Siriji".
A teleprompter-momka boli briga, on je odobrio slanje oružja umjerenima i otišao da igra golf i odmara na Havaje. |
I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote.
I love to sail forbidden seas, and land on barbarous coasts. |
Edited by - Dranki on 19/12/2016 20:07:36 |
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Risar_69
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nagor
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Posted - 19/12/2016 : 20:52:50
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| Opet CIA organizirala sve, zar ne? Sve su Ameri krivi. Ah, ti Ameri... Postoji li neki scenarij u kojem vam Ameri nisu za sve krivi? ;-) |
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nagor
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Dranki
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Posted - 19/12/2016 : 21:12:35
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Originally posted by nagor
Opet CIA organizirala sve, zar ne? Sve su Ameri krivi. Ah, ti Ameri... Postoji li neki scenarij u kojem vam Ameri nisu za sve krivi? ;-)
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Here is a typical scenario:
First, FBI informant A is assigned, in Aaronson’s words, to “troll the mosques” of some American Muslim community. They might work this area for months looking for those angry, frustrated types.
Gadeir Abbas, Staff Attorney for the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), says they may hit upon some fellows living “on the fringes of society.” These people are often poor and unsettled, with only a rudimentary knowledge if Islam, and usually quite gullible.
Second, having spotted a candidate B, informant A befriends him and encourages B to vent his anger and dissatisfaction. At one point informant A might suggest to B that Allah put him on this earth for better things and what would he like to do about all that anger and frustration?
Third, now we are at the seminal moment. What if B has no idea what he would like to do?
At this point informant A (carefully turning off his hidden recording device) transforms himself into an agent provocateur (remember he has a financial incentive to entrap this guy) and comes up with a suggestion. Why don’t we go blow up an army recruitment center?
In other words, A is a confidence artist, a con-man (one of these informants boasted that he could con the kernels off a cob of corn) and is using his “talent” to maneuver his victim, who as yet has done nothing illegal, into an incriminating situation.
Fourth, if B takes the bait, then A leads him on, concocting a plot, perhaps informing B that he A is an agent (not of the FBI of course) of some Pakistani terrorist organization come to the US to wage Jihad. He can supply B with weapons, explosives, vehicles and money.
In other words, all the things that B could never have reasonably procured on his own (such as the necessary money or appropriate vehicles). All the things that B has no knowledge how to construct (like a bomb).
Fifth, eventually B is led to enact the crime, usually using a fake bomb. Then, of course, he gets arrested. Typically, he is sent to jail for decades. A gets paid up to $100,000 by the FBI. Voila, another terrorist plot foiled.
https://consortiumnews.com/2011/08/30/the-fbi-goes-rogue/ |
I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote.
I love to sail forbidden seas, and land on barbarous coasts. |
Edited by - Dranki on 19/12/2016 21:14:41 |
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Risar_69
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Dranki
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Posted - 19/12/2016 : 21:17:57
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| 9 mrtvih, 50 povredjenih. Za sada. |
I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote.
I love to sail forbidden seas, and land on barbarous coasts. |
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Risar_69
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Slovenia
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Posted - 19/12/2016 : 21:41:04
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| Problem je jedino, što su takve stvari postale svakodnevnica i nama sasvim normalne. |
Kad pocneš crtati, uvek moraš imati na kraju olovke, srce, ruku i misli! |
Edited by - Risar_69 on 19/12/2016 21:42:16 |
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nagor
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Posted - 19/12/2016 : 21:46:28
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Originally posted by Dranki
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Originally posted by nagor
Opet CIA organizirala sve, zar ne? Sve su Ameri krivi. Ah, ti Ameri... Postoji li neki scenarij u kojem vam Ameri nisu za sve krivi? ;-)
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Here is a typical scenario:
https://consortiumnews.com/2011/08/30/the-fbi-goes-rogue/
Da, da, svaki Allahu Akbar napad je posljedica CIA-onog trolanja i radikaliziranje mladih nevinih studenata informatike.
Inače, ovaj tekst je ko copy paste iz filma Syriana sa Georgeom Clooneyem... ali u filmu je trolao i radikalizirao, pazi ovo, islamist. Ah, ta jebena holivudska propaganda. Mi na na forumu znamo, da to ne postoji islamofašizam. Postoji samo heroj Putin i krvoločna CIA.
Općenito, vi forumski analitičari grebete samo po površini. Mislite da ste Alaha za jaja uhvatili budući da ste povezali to da je radikalizacija bliskog istoka povezana za zapadnim intervencijama i odstranjivanjem masovnih ubojica poput Sadama, Gaddafija i Assada. Sve je zapad kriv.
To što je glavni problem u temeljima islama i općenito u islamskoj civilizaciji, koja se jednostavno ne snalazi najbolje u 21. stoljeću, uopće ne spominjete. Razloga za to ima više, od nepostojanja kalifata odnosno vjerskog poglavara koji bi ih ujedinio, problem arapskog nacionalizma koji se od od "ponosan što sam Egipćanin" pretvorio u "Allahu akbar", palestinskog pitanja i osjećaja neuvažavanja koji se opet prelijeva u "Allahu akbar!, forsiranje religijskh dogmi na uštrb civilnog društva"... Nije sve kriv "bijeli kolonizator" i CIA. |
Edited by - nagor on 19/12/2016 21:55:25 |
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Dranki
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Posted - 19/12/2016 : 21:56:44
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| Istina je negdje između: islam ima ogroman potencijal za radikalizaciju, i CIA to iskorištava na svaki mogući način. |
I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote.
I love to sail forbidden seas, and land on barbarous coasts. |
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lwood
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wolf
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Posted - 19/12/2016 : 22:03:05
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Originally posted by Dranki
Istina je negdje između: islam ima ogroman potencijal za radikalizaciju, i CIA to iskorištava na svaki mogući način.
Ovdje je trenutno najradikalnija tvoja patološka mržnja prema SAD i NATO-u. Pazi, tvojom logikom moglo bi se isto tako reći kako su oni u Idlibu što su palili autobuse instruirani pod strane Rusa i KGB-a.
Ponekad treba racionalno pristupati problematici, a ne ideološki. Nitko ne poriče da su Ameri i njihove obavještajne službe svašta izvodile, ali to isto rade i Rusi (nedavni primjer pokušaja državnog udara ovdje u susjedstvu). Pa da onda primijenimo i paralelu s WTC 9/11, možda su Rusi sami izrežirali atentat svog veleposlanika. |
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