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D.J.
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split85
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wolf
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Posted - 02/01/2014 : 09:03:12
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Sve mi nešto vuče da su sa Jimom došli Sullivani.
Sigurno stiže i Digging Bill. Napokon je našao blago pa je izdvojio i prstenje za mladence. |
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acestroke
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johnhartson
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Posted - 02/01/2014 : 09:51:21
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Na poslednjoj slicici, iza "BRADOM" treba zarez  |
Until the colour of a man's skin is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes - dis a war |
Edited by - johnhartson on 02/01/2014 09:51:37 |
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D.J.
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supermark
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D.J.
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stinky
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Posted - 02/01/2014 : 11:44:17
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DJ, napokon sam pročitao tvoje životno djelo;)
i ovo jesi ti to mi je bilo očito nakon treće stranice: "ovo je dobri stari DJ. DJ dobra i čista srca." ovdje je vjera ljubav nada. ne znam, možda ovo jest za prave zagor fanove, dječačke, jednostavne. možda baš ovako treba pisati.
par napomena uopće ne treba(š) uzimati ozbiljno komentare ('kritike') tipa "kako je Frida stigla u močvaru, a da joj haljina nije zaprljana?") te zdravorazumske, puko logičke primjedbe, malo vrijede. pravo rečeno, to je pozicionirano nisko na ljestvici, jer svatko je u stanju dobacivati takve primjedbe - dovoljno je malo mozga. za svaku stranicu bi se takvih dalo dobaciti ohoho, gotovo za svako djelo, za bonellije pogotovo...
tko čita (još uvijek) Zagora, a smetaju mu ovakve stvari - taj je izgubljen slučaj. pogubljen u životu zapravo, jer nije u stanju razlučiti bitno i irelevantno. dakle, koga zanima 'uvjerljivost' zalutao je u Zagora i neka se drži kojekakvih tv-serija, tu se fingira 'realističnost' i rekonstrukcija 'stvarnog događaja'.
Zagor je iznad banalne zdravorazumske logike.
vrijedni komentari su samo oni s pozicije bitnog mišljenja Zagora. recimo, ovi koji su prigovarali da im se ne sviđa, jer Zagor je ratnik, a ne birokrat.
i tu je točka u kojoj (nam) se dao DJ. u DJ-ovom svijetu ima mjesta za sve, za crvene crne bijele žute, svi ovi mogu postići harmoniju. DJ vjeruje u to. i svoj strip je sagradio oko te uporišne točke: treća stranica stripa (numerirana kao 9)
Zagor se bori za pravdu, što gotovo uvijek znači da je ujedno i korektiv države (države kao aparata moći). i onda dolazi do "promjene puta": država postaje pravedna. u DJ-ovoj nadi, država može biti pravedna i mogu doći na čelo novi, bolji, ljudi koji će promijeniti put (DJ je glasač Obame hehe) i što se događa? Pa Zagor postaje nepotreban i sa borbe (kao elementarnog, životnog) prelazi u građanski poredak. DJ ovdje ne vidi bitnu kvalitativnu promjenu i misli da se to može samo tako zamijeniti, "promijeniti put" kao da bi to bila nekakava čisto kvantitativna promjena. tj., DJ je previše građanin za Zagora, preblizu (pozitivnoj) znanosti, preblizu racionalnosti, preblizu brojanju, mjerenju... ... Zagor će se nastaviti 'boriti', samo će zamijeniti sjekiru sa perom i u okviru građanskog poretka (evo fingiranja realističnosti, CSI Zagor) tražiti pravdu... za slabije, za potrebite, za Indijance...
DJ-ova priča je ona koja ide u red 'složenih' u Zagor-epopeji, priče u kojima se Zagor 'susreće' za zbiljskim svijetom koji se sa 'viših' pozicija 'stvarnosti' nameće... i nema druge nego uvažiti. međutim, ovdje je DJ ujedno i antiNolitta i antiBoselli. prvi, jer u Nolitte, kada se Zagor susretne sa svijetom - imamo tragediju: vidi Zimska Zmija, Sloboda ili smrt, Zbogom, crveni brate...) drugi, jer kada Boselli sučeli Zagora sa svijetom, ovaj nema kontrolu nad situacijom: vidi Teksaški rendžeri, Otočka skupina, Aljaska...)
međutim, u DJ-ovoj priči, ima "promjene puta" (sretnog rješenja, kompromisa između države i Indijanaca), a ujedno je ta "promjena" takva kao da ju je kreirao sam Zagor, tj. kao da on ima potpunu kontrolu nad svijetom.
kažem, možda baš tako treba gledati, dječački, jednostavno, pravo fanovski.
jednim malim dijelom se radujem DJ-ovoj izvedbi. a drugim, ha, drugim vidim sve to kao grešku, lažnu svijest, kardinalni promašaj i besplodni sentimentalizam. |
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emirem
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Posted - 02/01/2014 : 13:12:16
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Lijepo kad sentimentalizam urodi plodom... Bravo DJ! |
"Kompromisi u kolekcionarstvu su one stvari koje ce ti omoguciti da dozivis starost sa pozamasnom ustedjevinom!" |
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kucak
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Posted - 02/01/2014 : 13:20:44
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Treba sve ovo gledati kao fanovski, kao d.j. Jer na takav način je obradovao nas fanove. Sve ostalo je suvišno. Čovjek sa svojim timom nam je dao svoj poklon. I sebi i nama. I zato hvala. I zato naklon do poda. I zato kapa dolje za trud. Jer ovo što ste napravili nije lako. Nije nimalo lako. I zato podrška do kraja. Jer ovo će zauvijek ostati zapisano. Trag pravog (pravih) zagorovaca.
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Ispravljeno! Dok ne smislim nešto bolje.. |
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nagor
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Posted - 02/01/2014 : 17:51:16
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Lijepo je to stinky sročio. Ovo je ponajprije D.J.-eva priča i tako je moramo razumijeti. 
Zagor kao birokrat u odijelu ne može proći u mom poimanju njegova lika. Takvoga ga ne mogu zamisliti ni u njegovoj 80-oj godini života, ali to ne znači da ne uživam svako jutro kad gledam nove table.
Samo naprijed D.J.   |
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Opti
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Posted - 02/01/2014 : 19:05:53
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Pa zar nije i u jednoj od najranijih Nolittinih priča (vjerojatno ove koje sad izlaze u Libellusu) Zagor rekao da se jednom namjerava povući s darkwoodskog trona i postati običan građanin?  |
Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübert ragungsgesetz!! |
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D.J.
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solar
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stinky
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Posted - 02/01/2014 : 20:07:15
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drago mi je da vam se sviđa, dečki.
nego, čini mi se da nitko nije spomenuo: "novi tajnik" koji dolazi Zagoru, u ovoj sretnoj, fanovskoj, dj-ovskoj priči nije i ne može biti nitko drugi do ----------- Chico;)
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Deers
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wolf
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Posted - 02/01/2014 : 20:59:40
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Chico se uhvatio restorana. Jedino ako je po običaju biznis krenuo nizbrdo pa se odlučio za tajnika. Ipak mislim da će to biti netko drugi. Netko sklon pisanju i lingvistici. Tko bi to mogao biti? |
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Posted - 02/01/2014 : 21:44:39
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stinky, svaka cast, prave rijeci za nas vjecne zagorovce koji smo zauvijek ostali u 80-ima... Puna podrska D.J.-u i ekipi, momci bravo! |
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D.J.
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PAJDO
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stinky
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Posted - 03/01/2014 : 08:57:40
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quote: Originally posted by wolf
Chico se uhvatio restorana. Jedino ako je po običaju biznis krenuo nizbrdo pa se odlučio za tajnika. Ipak mislim da će to biti netko drugi. Netko sklon pisanju i lingvistici. Tko bi to mogao biti?
ma nema šanse da bude netko drugi pa kakav bi to DJ bio kada bi onako ofrlje otpravio Chica. kada bi Zagor onako hladno napucao Chica. ne ne, DJ je predobar da raskine najveće prijateljstvo i naša će dva prijatelja biti ponovo i zauvijek zajedno. |
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wolf
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