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manhunter
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U prvih par godina Federerove vladavine je muški tenis bio smešan, ako ga poredimo sa onim iz vremena Samprasa.

A ako već upoređujemo najjaču konkurenciju, onda je najtežu imao Nadal, pošto je zakačio najboljeg Federera i najboljeg Đokovića.

I am legion. I do not forget. I do not forgive.

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BeaGea
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Nikako se ne mogu složiti da je igrao u jačoj konkurenciji. To su bila vremena kad sam itekako pratio tenis (ni sam ne znam koliko sam samprasovih mečeva pogledao) i ovi igrači (popis slijedi ispod) su redom po meni jači od onih s kojima se susretal Sampras u svoje vrijeme ( i dan dans bih volio da tenis izgleda kao njegov a ne kao Đokovićev, ali jbg.). Evo Fedexovih rivala:

Federer vs. Nadal

Federer and Nadal ahead of the 2008 Wimbledon final

Federer and Rafael Nadal have played 40 times, with Federer trailing 16–24. Federer has a winning record on grass 3–1 and hard courts 11–9, while Nadal leads on clay 14–2.[291] Because tournament seedings are based on rankings, 24 of their matches have been in tournament finals which have included an all-time record nine Grand Slam finals.[292] Federer and Nadal have been playing each other since 2004, and their rivalry is a significant part of both men's careers.[293][294][295][296][297] The latest encounter was at the 2019 Wimbledon Championships, where Federer won to reach the final.

They held the top two rankings on the ATP Tour from July 2005 until 17 August 2009, when Nadal fell to No. 3 (Andy Murray became the new No. 2),[298] and again from 11 September 2017 until 15 October 2018 (Novak Djokovic became the new No. 2). They are the only pair of men to have ever finished six consecutive calendar years at the top. Federer was ranked No. 1 for a record 237 consecutive weeks beginning in February 2004. Nadal, who is five years younger, ascended to No. 2 in July 2005 and held this spot for 160 consecutive weeks, before surpassing Federer in August 2008.[299]

From 2006 to 2008, they played in every French Open and Wimbledon final. They then met in the 2009 Australian Open final, the 2011 French Open final, and the 2017 Australian Open final. Nadal won six of the nine, losing the first two Wimbledon finals and the second Australian Open final. Four of these finals were five set-matches (2007 and 2008 Wimbledon, 2009 and 2017 Australian Open), with the 2008 Wimbledon final being lauded as the greatest match ever by many long-time tennis analysts.[300][301][302][303] Of their 40 meetings, 13 have reached a deciding set. They have also played in 12 Masters Series finals, including their lone five-hour match at the 2006 Rome Masters which Nadal won in a fifth-set tie-break, having saved two match points.

Federer vs. Djokovic

Federer and Djokovic, Cincinnati Masters final 2015

Federer and Novak Djokovic have played 50 times, with Federer trailing 23–27.[304][305] They are tied 4–4 on clay while Federer trails 18–20 on hard-courts and 1–3 on grass. The Federer–Djokovic rivalry is the largest rivalry in men's Grand Slam tournament history with a record 17 matches played against each other. Djokovic is the only player besides Nadal to defeat Federer in consecutive Grand Slam tournaments (2010 US Open and 2011 Australian Open, also 2015 Wimbledon, US Open and 2016 Australian Open), and the only player besides Nadal and Murray who has double-figure career wins over Federer. Djokovic is one of two players (the other again being Nadal) on tour to have defeated Federer in straight sets at a Grand Slam event multiple times (2008 Australian Open, 2011 Australian Open, 2012 French Open, 2020 Australian Open), but Djokovic alone has done so four times.

Federer and Djokovic first played in a Grand Slam final at the 2007 US Open where the three-time reigning champion and No. 1 Federer emerged victorious in straight sets. Federer ended Djokovic's perfect 41–0 start to the 2011 season in the semifinals of the French Open, but Djokovic was able to avenge this loss at the 2011 US Open in five sets after saving two match points against Federer for the second straight year.[306] In the semifinals of Wimbledon 2012, Federer beat defending champion and No. 1 Djokovic in four sets.[307] The two met again during the finals of the 2014 Wimbledon Championships with Djokovic emerging victorious after five sets.[308] Federer also ended Djokovic's 28 straight wins in China at 2014 Shanghai Open. Federer and Djokovic rematched in the 2015 Wimbledon Championships with Djokovic once again claiming victory in four sets.[309] The pair met once more for the final major of the season, the 2015 US Open and once more Djokovic prevailed in four sets.[310] At the 2019 Wimbledon Championships, Djokovic bested Federer in an almost 5 hour match whose final set went to a tiebreak. This was the fifth consecutive time that Djokovic defeated Federer in Grand Slam matches. Some experts have included the rivalry between Federer and Djokovic as one of the best rivalries in the Open Era.

Federer vs. Murray

Federer and Andy Murray have played 25 times, with Federer leading 14–11. Federer leads 12–10 on hard courts, and 2–1 on grass. They have never met on clay. After Federer won the first professional match they played, Murray dominated the first half of the rivalry, leading 8–5 in 2010, while the second half of the rivalry has been dominated by Federer, who leads 9–3 since 2011.[312] The two have met six times at the Grand Slam tournament level, with Federer leading 5–1. Their first three Grand Slam matches were finals, with Federer winning all three of these matches; at the 2008 US Open[313] and the 2010 Australian Open,[314] both of which he won in straight sets, and at the 2012 Wimbledon Championships in which Murray took the opening set, but went on to lose in four sets. However, Murray won their encounter in the semifinals of the 2013 Australian Open, defeating Federer for the first time at a Grand slam tournament in five sets. At the 2014 Australian Open, Federer reversed that result, defeating Murray in four sets in the quarterfinals. The most recent meeting between the two in a major was in the semifinals of the 2015 Wimbledon Championships, where a dominant Federer triumphed in straight sets.

They met in the final of the 2012 Summer Olympics, in which Murray defeated Federer in straight sets, denying Federer a career Golden Slam. Murray also leads 6–3 in ATP 1000 tournaments, 2–0 in finals. They have also met five times at the ATP World Tour Finals, with Murray winning in Shanghai in 2008,[315] and Federer in London in 2009, 2010, 2012, and 2014.[316] Murray is one of only three players to have recorded ten or more victories over Federer (the other two being Nadal and Novak Djokovic).

Federer vs. Roddick



Federer and Andy Roddick played 24 times, and Federer leads their head-to-head 21–3. Roddick lost his No. 1 ranking to Federer after Federer won his first Australian Open in 2004. Their rivalry includes four Grand Slam event finals, three at Wimbledon and one at the US Open, all won by Federer.[317] Roddick himself said it was not much of a rivalry, being so one-sided.[318]

In the 2009 Wimbledon final, Roddick lost to Federer in five sets. The match included a 30-game fifth set (a Grand Slam final record) and lasted over four hours. In the final game of the deciding set, Roddick's serve was broken for the first time in the match. With that victory, Federer broke Pete Sampras' record of 14 Grand Slam singles titles, and Roddick apologised to Sampras (who was in attendance) for not being able to stop Federer.
Federer vs. Hewitt

Federer and Lleyton Hewitt played 27 times, with Federer leading 18–9.[319] Early in their careers, Hewitt dominated Federer, winning seven of their first nine meetings, including a victory from two sets down in the 2003 Davis Cup semifinal which allowed Australia to defeat Switzerland. This marked a turning point in the rivalry, as Federer won 16 of the next 18 meetings from 2004 onwards. This is Hewitt's longest rivalry as these two first played each other as juniors in 1996. They met in one Grand Slam tournament final, the 2004 US Open final, where Federer won his first US Open title in a lopsided encounter in which Federer scored a bagel on both sides of a second-set tiebreak. Federer met Hewitt at six of the Grand Slam tournaments in which he lifted the trophy, including all five of his triumphs between 2004 and 2005. Their last meeting was at the 2014 Brisbane International, where Hewitt triumphed over Federer in three sets for his first title since 2010, when he also beat Federer to the Halle title.

Hewitt and Federer teamed up in the men's doubles at Wimbledon in 1999. They lost in the third round to Jonas Björkman and Pat Rafter.[320]

Federer vs. Nalbandian

Federer and David Nalbandian played 19 times, with Federer leading 11–8.[321] David Nalbandian was Federer's biggest rival in his early career. Nalbandian dominated early on, winning their first five matches from 2002 to 2003. Federer reversed this trend at the 2003 Masters Cup, where he recorded his first victory, and went on to win 11 of their last 14 meetings. Federer leads 6–5 on hard courts, 1–0 on grass, and 3–1 on clay courts, while Nalbandian leads 2–1 on carpet. Notable meetings include Nalbandian's win in a fifth-set tiebreaker to win the 2005 Masters Cup, and Federer's win in the 2006 French Open semifinals. They met each other six times in Grand Slam tournaments, with Federer leading 4–2.
Federer vs. Safin

Marat Safin and Federer played 12 times, with Federer leading 10–2.[322] Federer and Safin turned pro within one year of each other, with Safin turning pro in 1997 and Federer in 1998. Federer leads 4–1 on hard courts, 3–0 on grass, and 3–0 on clay courts, while Safin leads 1–0 on carpet. Notable meetings include Federer's defeating Safin at the 2002 Hamburg Masters to win the first Masters 1000 title of his career, as well as Federer's emerging victorious in the semifinals of the 2004 Tennis Masters Cup, after winning a tiebreak 20–18 on his eighth match point. Federer also defeated Safin in the finals of the 2004 Australian Open to capture his first Australian Open and second Grand Slam tournament title. However, Safin defeated Federer in the 2005 Australian Open semifinals, having saved one match point in the fourth-set tiebreak, to end a 26-match winning streak by Federer.[323] They met each other five times in Grand Slam tournaments, with Federer leading 4–1.

Federer vs. Agassi

Federer and Andre Agassi played 11 times, and Federer leads their head-to-head 8–3.[324] This was Federer's most significant rivalry with a dominant player of the previous generation. They first met in only the third tournament of Federer's career at the 1998 Swiss Indoors in Federer's hometown, with Andre Agassi prevailing over the 17-year-old. Agassi also defeated Federer at the 2001 US Open and the finals of the Miami Masters in 2002. Federer began to turn the tide at the Masters Cup in 2003, when he defeated Agassi in both the round robin and the final. They played a memorable quarterfinal match at the 2004 US Open that spanned over two days, with Federer eventually prevailing in five sets. At the 2005 Dubai Championships, Federer and Agassi attracted worldwide headlines with a publicity stunt that saw the two men play on a helipad almost 220 meters above sea level at the hotel Burj al-Arab. Their final match was at one of the most prestigious platforms in the sport, when they played in the finals of the 2005 US Open. Federer was victorious in four sets, claiming the 6th Grand Slam tournament of his career and denying Agassi his 9th.
Federer vs. Wawrinka

Federer and his fellow Swiss player Stan Wawrinka have played each other 26 times, with Federer leading 23–3. Federer leads 7–1 in Grand Slam tournaments, 17–0 on hard courts, 1–0 on grass courts and 5–3 on clay courts. The pair are 1–1 in finals. Their first meeting in a final came at 2014 Monte-Carlo Rolex Masters where Wawrinka defeated Federer in three sets to win his first Masters 1000 title before Federer avenged his loss at the 2017 BNP Paribas Open by beating him in the final.[325] While the rivalry is one-sided in Federer's favour, the two have contested some close matches. Wawrinka defeated Federer in straight sets during the 2015 French Open quarterfinals en route to winning his first French Open title, although Federer then won a straight-sets victory in the 2015 US Open semifinals. Other close matches include the 2012 Shanghai Masters and the 2013 Indian Wells Masters, both of which Federer won in three sets, the 2014 Wimbledon quarterfinal, which Federer won in four sets, the 2014 ATP World Tour Final semifinal, which Federer won in three sets after saving four match points, and the 2017 Australian Open semifinal, which Federer won in five sets. Despite their on-court rivalry, they are friends off court,[326] and they have played doubles together on numerous occasions,[327] most notably when they won the doubles Olympic Gold at the 2008 Beijing Olympics and when winning the 2014 Davis Cup.

Federer vs. del Potro


Juan Martín del Potro and Roger Federer have played 25 times, with Federer leading 18–7.[328] They have met seven times in Grand Slam tournaments, with Federer leading 5–2. Their two most famous Grand Slam tournament meetings came in 2009. The first was in the French Open semifinals, when Federer survived a five-set clash when he was on his way to the only French title of his career. The second was in the final of the US Open, where del Potro beat five-time defending champion Federer in five sets, ending his 20-match winning streak at Grand Slams. Another high-profile match was in the semifinals of the 2012 London Olympics, where Federer prevailed 19–17 in the final set to secure the Olympic silver medal. They also met in the finals of the Swiss Indoors in 2012, 2013 and 2017, with del Potro prevailing on first two occasions, and Federer on last one of them in tight three-set matches.

In the 2017 U.S. Open quarterfinals, in a rematch of the 2009 US Open final, Del Potro again beat Federer in four sets to end his unbeaten streak in grand slams that year. With this win, Del Potro also denied the first Federer-Nadal match at US Open, as in 2009 where he beat Nadal in straight sets in the semifinals. Federer, however avenged this loss at the Shanghai Masters semifinals, where he beat del Potro in three sets after coming from a set down. In the final at the 2018 BNP Paribas Open del Potro beat Federer in three close sets, after facing match points in the third set. With this win del Potro won his first Masters 1000 title of his career.


E pa sad ako nisu Murray, Nalbandian (nevjerojatan igrač, šteta zbog nekih drugih stvari), Roddick, del Potro, Hewitt pa i Agassi klase za večinu tenisača 90-tih (Curiere ili Mustere koji su bili broj 1 u vrijeme Samprasa) onda stvarno pišem pizdarije

Neću više!

P.S.
Da ne zaboravim ime još jednog vrhunskog igrača, Marat Safin nevjerojatan talent kojeg je alkohol ponio (čak je igral finale GS pijan) je po meni bio doktor tenisa za Curiera, Mustera, Changa i ekipu koje se suprotstavljala Samprasu.

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Edited by - BeaGea on 16/02/2021 21:42:03
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tex2
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Posted - 16/02/2021 : 21:44:15  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send tex2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jim Courier je bio fantastičan tenisač!

"Od svakog treba tražiti samo ono što on može dati."
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BeaGea
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Posted - 16/02/2021 : 21:48:22  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send BeaGea a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tex2

Jim Courier je bio fantastičan tenisač!



Ne leži mi tip igrača koji ne zna hodati po travi...

..ali ajde iskreno:
Courier ili Nalbandian?
Courier ili del Potro?
Courier ili Roddick?
Courier ili Murray?

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RaoulDuke
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Posted - 16/02/2021 : 21:51:53  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send RaoulDuke a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Aggasi je iz Samprasove generacije, ali manje je to bitno.
Ova trojica su svoju konkurenciju zadnjih 15-ak godina ucinili toliko smješnima da mi je uopce teško razmišljati o njima kao o klasnim igračima😂. Tek su Del potro, Wawrinka i Murray ponekad iskočili.
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manhunter
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Posted - 16/02/2021 : 21:52:08  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send manhunter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Dosado, pišeš pizdarije. :D

Courier je bio zver od igrača, mrzeo sam ga iz dna duše zato što je skinuo Samprasa sa prvog mesta. Kakav crni Nalbandian i Hewitt, pa od njih je i Wawrinka bolji. ;)

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Posted - 16/02/2021 : 21:54:21  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send tex2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Manhunter dobro objasnio Couriera, strašan igrač!

"Od svakog treba tražiti samo ono što on može dati."
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Posted - 16/02/2021 : 21:56:44  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send tex2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BeaGea

quote:
Originally posted by tex2

Jim Courier je bio fantastičan tenisač!



Ne leži mi tip igrača koji ne zna hodati po travi...

..ali ajde iskreno:
Courier ili Nalbandian?
Courier ili del Potro?
Courier ili Roddick?
Courier ili Murray?



Courier ili Nalbandian? Courier
Courier ili del Potro? DelPo, svi znamo da ga nisu uništile ozljede da bi imao sjajniju karijeru
Courier ili Roddick? Courier
Courier ili Murray? ovo je najizjednačenije, ali Courier

"Od svakog treba tražiti samo ono što on može dati."
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BeaGea
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Posted - 16/02/2021 : 21:58:19  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send BeaGea a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RaoulDuke

Aggasi je iz Samprasove generacije, ali manje je to bitno.


Ako ti se nije dalo čitati (a bojim se da nije) Fedex i Andre su imali 11 mečeva u rasponu od sedam godina, redom na velikim turnirima (Masters ili GS)!

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Posted - 16/02/2021 : 22:00:34  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send tex2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Koliko su ih imali Sampras i Agassi?

"Od svakog treba tražiti samo ono što on može dati."
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manhunter
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Posted - 16/02/2021 : 22:01:13  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send manhunter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by tex2

Manhunter dobro objasnio Couriera, strašan igrač!



Meni je Đoković unapređena verzija Couriera.

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Posted - 16/02/2021 : 22:01:49  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send BeaGea a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tex2

quote:
Originally posted by BeaGea

quote:
Originally posted by tex2

Jim Courier je bio fantastičan tenisač!



Ne leži mi tip igrača koji ne zna hodati po travi...

..ali ajde iskreno:
Courier ili Nalbandian?
Courier ili del Potro?
Courier ili Roddick?
Courier ili Murray?



Courier ili Nalbandian? Courier
Courier ili del Potro? DelPo, svi znamo da ga nisu uništile ozljede da bi imao sjajniju karijeru
Courier ili Roddick? Courier
Courier ili Murray? ovo je najizjednačenije, ali Courier



Ok, sve pet..cijeniš rad ispred talenta, a kod mene je obrantno. Tako se oko ukusa onda ne možemo ni blizu složit, a ovdje za dokaza za jednu ili drugu tvrdnju (jednostavno) nema.

Uglavnom, ovo je igra koju cijenim:

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Strašno inteligentan igrač, meni više vuče na Nadala, a toliko ga je teško bilo dobiti, ne znam zašto ga dosada podcjenjuje?

"Od svakog treba tražiti samo ono što on može dati."
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Posted - 16/02/2021 : 22:04:30  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send BeaGea a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tex2

Koliko su ih imali Sampras i Agassi?



Samo sam govorio da je Agassi imao protiv Fedexa itekako rivalitet, ništa drugo. Ćemu odmah kontre, a nepotrebne jer je sve jasno. da, Agassi i Sampras su međusobno igrali više mečeva, ali zar to negira gore spomenuto?

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Posted - 16/02/2021 : 22:04:39  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send manhunter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BeaGea



..ali ajde iskreno:
Courier ili Nalbandian?
Courier ili del Potro?
Courier ili Roddick?
Courier ili Murray?



Courier ili Nalbandian?
Courier

Courier ili del Potro?
Veoma tesno i zavisi od podloge.

Courier ili Roddick?
Courier

Courier ili Murray?
Courier bez problema

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Posted - 16/02/2021 : 22:07:49  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send tex2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nije to rad kontra talenta, pa valjda kad ocjenjuješ, ocjenjuješ konstantu, ako je netko cijelu karijeru na vrhu, onda je valjda bolji od talentiranih Nalbandiana, Roddicka, Safina i sličnih. I nije neka usporedba u Samprasovo doba je Ivanišević bio broj 2, pitaj bilo kojeg tenisača iz tog doba tko je volio igrati sa Ivaniševićem! Puno teži protivnik od 95 % današnjih protivnika, a takvih je bilo u Samprasovo doba više!

quote:
Originally posted by BeaGea

quote:
Originally posted by tex2

quote:
Originally posted by BeaGea

quote:
Originally posted by tex2

Jim Courier je bio fantastičan tenisač!



Ne leži mi tip igrača koji ne zna hodati po travi...

..ali ajde iskreno:
Courier ili Nalbandian?
Courier ili del Potro?
Courier ili Roddick?
Courier ili Murray?



Courier ili Nalbandian? Courier
Courier ili del Potro? DelPo, svi znamo da ga nisu uništile ozljede da bi imao sjajniju karijeru
Courier ili Roddick? Courier
Courier ili Murray? ovo je najizjednačenije, ali Courier



Ok, sve pet..cijeniš rad ispred talenta, a kod mene je obrantno. Tako se oko ukusa onda ne možemo ni blizu složit, a ovdje za dokaza za jednu ili drugu tvrdnju (jednostavno) nema.

Uglavnom, ovo je igra koju cijenim:



"Od svakog treba tražiti samo ono što on može dati."
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Posted - 16/02/2021 : 22:08:20  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send BeaGea a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tex2

Strašno inteligentan igrač, meni više vuče na Nadala, a toliko ga je teško bilo dobiti, ne znam zašto ga dosada podcjenjuje?



Pa rekoh ti, večina njegovih uspjeha je postignuta na zemlji...trava (skoro nula bodova), servis volej, igra na mreži, skraćene lopte kod njega ne postoje. Ne volim taj tenis, rezultat mu priznajem ali daleko je to to kompletnog igrača kakav vrhunski tenisač treba biti.

Koliko mi je Đokovića ljepše pogledat otkad ga vodi Zec, baš zbog toga kaj sad ima barem malo od onoga kaj nije imal (jak servis, kratke lopte).

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Posted - 16/02/2021 : 22:10:30  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send tex2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nema kontre, nismo se dobro razumijeli.

quote:
Originally posted by BeaGea

quote:
Originally posted by tex2

Koliko su ih imali Sampras i Agassi?



Samo sam govorio da je Agassi imao protiv Fedexa itekako rivalitet, ništa drugo. Ćemu odmah kontre, a nepotrebne jer je sve jasno. da, Agassi i Sampras su međusobno igrali više mečeva, ali zar to negira gore spomenuto?


"Od svakog treba tražiti samo ono što on može dati."
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RaoulDuke
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Posted - 16/02/2021 : 22:10:36  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send RaoulDuke a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BeaGea

quote:
Originally posted by RaoulDuke

Aggasi je iz Samprasove generacije, ali manje je to bitno.


Ako ti se nije dalo čitati (a bojim se da nije) Fedex i Andre su imali 11 mečeva u rasponu od sedam godina, redom na velikim turnirima (Masters ili GS)!


Nije mi se dalo čitati sve, procitao sam dovoljno. A lepo pise "This was Federer's most significant rivalry with a dominant player of the previous generation."

Al kazem da je nebitno jel uzalud se rapravljat o takvim stvarima. Kao i u nogometu i košarci uspoređivati igrače iz različitih doba nema nekog smisla. Svatko ima neke svoje brije.
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Posted - 16/02/2021 : 22:13:21  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send BeaGea a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by tex2

Nije to rad kontra talenta, pa valjda kad ocjenjuješ, ocjenjuješ konstantu, ako je netko cijelu karijeru na vrhu, onda je valjda bolji od talentiranih Nalbandiana, Roddicka, Safina i sličnih. I nije neka usporedba u Samprasovo doba je Ivanišević bio broj 2, pitaj bilo kojeg tenisača iz tog doba tko je volio igrati sa Ivaniševićem! Puno teži protivnik od 95 % današnjih protivnika, a takvih je bilo u Samprasovo doba više!


Bilo ih je jer su podloge bile brže i nije bilo odgovora na te bombe. Danas su defanzivci naučili kako se uspješnije vraćaju servisi, a igra na mreži teško prolazi. Tako da Ivanišević je bio nezgodan za ono vrijeme. I Karlovića kao protivnika ne vole, ali nikak to ne znači da je teniski vrh. Iako je tenisač kojeg najviše gledam jer poeni ne traju dugo.
To je još taj jedan detalj kod tenisača, volim da poeni kratko traju i više cijenim one koji su znali skratiti poen tj. završavati poen umjesto čekanja greške protivnika. Jim je bio taj, protivnik će pogriješiti i zato mi nije bio previše često na repertoru gledanja.

Vidim, ja vidim.
Samo vas molim da upalite svijetlo!

Edited by - BeaGea on 16/02/2021 22:40:53
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BeaGea
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Posted - 16/02/2021 : 22:40:34  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send BeaGea a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A Jimu svaka čast, ja mu čestitam!

Izvukel je puno kao tenisač, a čovjek je na mjestu kao karakter i osoba u globalu.

Vidim, ja vidim.
Samo vas molim da upalite svijetlo!
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maelstrom
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Posted - 17/02/2021 : 01:40:04  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send maelstrom a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by manhunter

Ja se izvinjavam, ali ja sam oduvek pričao da mi je Sampras najbolji ikad.



Hm, ja sam takođe voleo Pistol Pita, ne samo kao igrača već kao i osobu, ali ipak se ne može ni blizu tvrditi da je on najbolji ikada kada na Rolan Garosu nikada nije stigao dalje od četvrtfinala i generalno je bio poprilično tanak na šljaci.Prednost uvek moraju u takvim diskusijama da dobiju igrači univerzalci koji su uglavnom podjednako dobri na svim podlogama.
Iskreno, Samprasu je najviše na ruku išlo to što Agasi nije umeo da igra protiv njega iz nekog razloga (pre svega nije imao rešenja za njegov servis iako je bio odličan riterner), a često su se sastajali u važnim mečevima, van šljake naravno.Da je Agasi tu imao bar malo više uspeha, Samprasove brojke bi bili već manje.
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sawitch
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Posted - 17/02/2021 : 12:30:48  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send sawitch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Konkurencija kod Samprasa je bila jaca od Federerovih prvih godina ali ne i najjaca ikad. Pa Federer ga je dobio na Vimbldonu kao klinac. Ali konkurencija poslednjih 15 godina je ludacka za veliku trojku: Marej, Nalbandijan, Bagdatis, del Potro, Soderling, Vavrinka, Tim, Zverev, Medvedev, Cicipas, Conga, Rodik... Nisu svi bili br. 1 ali su sve mnogo jebenija ekipa za dobiti nego u Samprasovo vreme. OK Agasi, Kurijer, Ceng, Hjuit, Filipusis ali mislim da bi najbolji Marej odrao sve njih u najboljim izdanjima. A ne igra moderan tenis.
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adriano
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Posted - 17/02/2021 : 12:44:46  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send adriano a Private Message  Reply with Quote
da li se neko od igrača pobunio jer su lani igrali RG a vimblodn ne. nije baš fer prema Đokoviću i Federeru.ne kužim tu odluku
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sawitch
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Posted - 17/02/2021 : 13:58:16  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send sawitch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sta mozes, nista..

ALI CICIPAS IZUBIJAO NADALA!!!! Od 0:2 do 3:2!!!! KAKAV CAR!!!!
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