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Friki
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Ireland
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Posted - 14/03/2016 :  21:15:25  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Friki a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I ona od koje je možda sve krenulo. Isklesana prije 517 godina,
napravio ju je kad je imao samo 24 godine.












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Trenutačno se sluša: Boy George - The Crying Game
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culture vulture
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Posted - 15/03/2016 :  09:07:21  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send culture vulture a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nije baš sve krenulo od te Michelangelove skulpture, pietà je kao tema rođena još u gotici i to ne u Italiji, nego na sjeveru.
Ova je svakako umjetnički najbolja, jer rješava problem kako odraslo muško tijelo skladno smjestiti u krilo žene. Taj sklad skupine fascinirao je ne samo Michelangela, nego i općenito visoku renesansu, kojoj više nije bilo dovoljno samo nanizati zasebne likove, nego je tražila načine kako tijela smisleno i harmonično povezati (Leonardova "Djevica s Djetetom i sv. Anom", Michelangelov "Doni Tondo" i sl.).
Autori ovih naslovnica, a i svih ostalih reciklaža tog motiva, taj osnovni umjetnički izazov niti shvaćaju niti ih je za njega briga.

Edited by - culture vulture on 15/03/2016 09:20:49
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trolodtroje
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Posted - 15/03/2016 :  09:20:49  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send trolodtroje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Jeli ova Pieta i proporcionalno skladna? Na ovoj slici definitivno ne. Možda original, kad stojiš ispod njega. Ali ovako pali samo ako je muškarac (Jezus) puno manji od ženske (Marija). Tehnički gledano. Da bacimo na stranu odnos majka - (mrtav) sin.
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culture vulture
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Posted - 15/03/2016 :  09:22:50  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send culture vulture a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Kajgod.
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trolodtroje
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Posted - 15/03/2016 :  09:30:39  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send trolodtroje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Uf, pametno.
Qrac pa skladno umjestiti veče tjelo na manje. Baš je briga Michelangela za proporcionalnost, samo da statua izdrži.
Al su zato Kerac, Sitar, Buscema, Corben (da nabrojim samo neke od najboljih) puno pažnje posvetili harmoniji dvoje tjela i proporcionalnosti. Naravno imajuči u vidu, da muškarci nose žensko tjelo. Osim
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culture vulture
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Posted - 15/03/2016 :  09:50:26  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send culture vulture a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Pa šta da ti drugo odgovorim na pitanje: "Je li Michelangelo pazio na proporcije?" nego: "Kajgod"?
Naravno da je s proporcijama sve u redu.
Uzmimo da je Isus imao oko 180, Marija oko 160. Tih 20 cm razlike u visini u ovako savijenoj pozi mrtvoga, klonulog tijela izgledalo bi točno tako kako izgleda na ovoj skulpturi. Tko ne vjeruje, nek se proba leći mami ili ženi u krilo i bok.

Inače, skulpture se ne procjenjuju prema fotografijama, pogotovo ne onim neprofesionalno snimljenim. Fotografirati skulpturu nije mačji kašalj čak ni za profesionalne fotografe. Tipovi koji fotkaju kipove za npr. monografije su posebni znalci, visokospecijalizirana niša fotografa. Zato se svakome tko o tome nešto zna i diže kosa na glavi kad vidi rijeke turista kako bez i sekunde razmišljanja okidaju fotke po muzejima klik-klik-klik.

Edited by - culture vulture on 15/03/2016 09:58:10
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trolodtroje
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Posted - 15/03/2016 :  10:58:40  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send trolodtroje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by culture vulture

Pa šta da ti drugo odgovorim na pitanje: "Je li Michelangelo pazio na proporcije?" nego: "Kajgod"?
Naravno da je s proporcijama sve u redu.
Uzmimo da je Isus imao oko 180, Marija oko 160. Tih 20 cm razlike u visini u ovako savijenoj pozi mrtvoga, klonulog tijela izgledalo bi točno tako kako izgleda na ovoj skulpturi. Tko ne vjeruje, nek se proba leći mami ili ženi u krilo i bok.

Inače, skulpture se ne procjenjuju prema fotografijama, pogotovo ne onim neprofesionalno snimljenim. Fotografirati skulpturu nije mačji kašalj čak ni za profesionalne fotografe. Tipovi koji fotkaju kipove za npr. monografije su posebni znalci, visokospecijalizirana niša fotografa. Zato se svakome tko o tome nešto zna i diže kosa na glavi kad vidi rijeke turista kako bez i sekunde razmišljanja okidaju fotke po muzejima klik-klik-klik.


1. Nije. Ko tako vidi, ne vidi dobro.
Citat sa Italian Renaissance.org:

An examination of each figure reveals that their proportions are not entirely natural in relation to the other. Although their heads are proportional, the Virgin’s body is larger than Christ’s body. She appears so large that if she stood up, she would likely tower over her son. The reason Michelangelo did this was probably because it was necessary so that the Virgin could support her son on her lap; had her body been smaller, it might have been very difficult or awkward for her to have held an adult male as gracefully as she does. To assist in this matter, Michelangelo has amassed the garments on her lap into a sea of folded drapery to make her look larger. While this drapery serves this practical purpose, it also allowed Michelangelo to display his virtuosity and superb technique when using a drill to cut deeply into the marble. After his work on the marble was complete, the marble looked less like stone and more like actual cloth because of its multiplicity of natural-looking folds, curves, and deep recesses.

2. Ne znam, ko je kliknuo fotka okačenu gore, ali ista je na Michelangelo Pieta Wiki i mnogim drugim portalima kao referenčna. E pa sad, valjda ju je slikao neki japanac sa trotl kamerom a ne profi.

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E pa sad probaj se ti stisnut mami u krilo pa da te fotka Arne Hodalič pa da vidimo kako bi ispalo.
Evo to je to od mene.
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culture vulture
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Posted - 15/03/2016 :  11:48:11  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send culture vulture a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ma, dobro, ovo je sad već ne samo nepotrebni offtopic i prepucavanje, nego i nesporazum - uopće ne govorimo o istoj stvari.

Iskreno, nemam pojma kolike su realne dimenzije te dvije figure, odnosno što bismo dobili kad ne bismo vjerovali oku, još manje fotografiji, nego uzeli metar i izmjerili ih. Nikad nisam o tome razmišljao, jer je nebitno.
Moja poanta nije bila u tome da je odnos veličina između Marije i Isusa realan - ako nije, a iz nekog razloga aposolutno mora biti, to se lako postigne: spustiš Isusovu zdjelicu malo niže, noge malo podigneš, kičmu još jače saviješ, glavu pustiš da padne na Njezino rame i to je to.
Ono što sam htio reći: tako bi jedno tijelo skladno počivalo u krilu drugoga, da ona tvore skladnu skupinu, a ne stršalo kruto van kao na svim ranijim primjerima.
Ostalo je licentia poetica i to ne samo u vezi odnosa veličina Isusa i Marije, nego i u vezi toga kako Michelangelo prikazuje žensko tijelo. Njegove žene nisu krhke ženice, nego kao i muškarci - mesnate, mišićave, plećate... Njegova prosječna žena bi u krilu mogla držati i Herkula, a ne samo Krista. :)
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lwood
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Posted - 15/03/2016 :  11:57:03  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send lwood a Private Message  Reply with Quote
zato šta je Michelangelo bija gay pa je radija ono šta ga je palilo.

La libertad sublime derrama las auroras de su invencible luz.La humanidad entera,que entre cadenas gime,comprende las palabras del que murió en la cruz


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trolodtroje
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Posted - 15/03/2016 :  12:43:30  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send trolodtroje a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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ninel
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Posted - 15/03/2016 :  12:58:31  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send ninel a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Zanimljivo je da je puno pietnih poza na naslovnicama a i u samim
američkim superherojskim stripovima, dok je u europskom stripu ova
slika dosta redje zastupljena.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSRVtlTwFs8&feature=related
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ninel
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Posted - 15/03/2016 :  13:04:25  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send ninel a Private Message  Reply with Quote

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culture vulture
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culture vulture
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culture vulture
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verab
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culture vulture
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culture vulture
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culture vulture
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ninel
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Posted - 15/03/2016 :  14:00:43  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send ninel a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Uz ovu bi više išao Milacov Štrajk.
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Nobody
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Posted - 15/03/2016 :  14:11:38  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Nobody a Private Message  Reply with Quote

kdor ne skače ni Sloven´c
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culture vulture
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ninel
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Jozzinelli
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Posted - 21/04/2016 :  01:34:19  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Jozzinelli a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Da dodam i ja neke naslovnice sa "nosećom" pozom:



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Jozzinelli
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Posted - 21/04/2016 :  02:06:55  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Jozzinelli a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Više puta su već poređene Zagorove i Tarzanove naslovnice,
ali ovo mi je jedna od najdražih Zagorovih, a ne sećam se da je i ovaj primer bio na nekom topiku:

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