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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 07/06/2019 : 22:19:28  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
pa onda kad ga tristram zakuca na prvom turniru...



isto nista nije precrtano, jer foster je tehnicki bolji ilustrator od svog decackog uzora. ali ono sto ovaj panel cini mocnim su koplje koje puca od siline sudara i njegov posrnuli konj... a to su elementi prve slike.
Edited by - Vlaadisha on 07/06/2019 23:25:10
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 07/06/2019 : 22:36:04  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote


cemu ovaj panel ovde, kad je rec o oformljenom autoru? vise kao posveta ucitelju ili omiljenoj knjizi iz detinjstva... ili mozda deo vokabulara koji je kao crtac usvojio i sad ga samo koristi, mozda i nesvesno.
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 07/06/2019 : 23:03:08  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Fosterovi uticaji su vise-manje poznati, samo treba guglati Howard Pyle, Arthur Rackham, Maxfield Parrish, J.C. Leyendecker, James Montgomery Flagg i N.C. Wyeth. Opet, nista nije trejsovano, ali ima poznatih poza i motiva.

Kad su u pitanju reference, sigurno je koristio fotografije iz filmova i slicno. Idealno bi bilo kad bi svi imali zive modele i sve vreme ovog sveta, ali u stripu to prosto nije realno.



I tu se vracamo na ovo:
quote:
Originally posted by Beva

Ja sam očito debelo pogriješio kad sam pokušao naučiti crtati 'iz glave', do toga se dolazi nakon puno precrtavanja.
Da, crtati iz glave je slepa ulica. Uciti iz stripova dobacuje samo do odredjenog zanatskog nivoa. Jedino sto vredi je crtanje po prirodi, cak i kad je rec o stilizaciji. Pa onda to propustiti kroz neki svoj filter.
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mogorovic
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Posted - 07/06/2019 : 23:06:09  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send mogorovic a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Slažem se.
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 07/06/2019 : 23:11:06  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by verab

da poguram temu o Fosteru

(Vlaadisha nastavi.. :)
meni je ovo bilo fascinantno jer mi je sy barry tamo gore u top 20, zajedno sa fosterom:

http://deepwoods.org/prince_valiant1.html

na toj stranici ima i anegdota koja verovatno najbolje sumira nasu celu pricu.



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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 07/06/2019 : 23:14:25  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mogorovic

Slažem se.
evo primer:
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 07/06/2019 : 23:17:22  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
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Manara


ma i ta ženska je odnekud skinuta (no pun intended). a ljudi kritikuju grega landa kad skida pornićarke.

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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 07/06/2019 : 23:21:32  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
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Urnebesno skidanje Fostera od strane Boba Kanea :D



koliko se sećam, skoro kompletna prva epizoda batmana je kopirana od raymonda, a priča je neki "shadow". ima neki sajt posvećen tome. ono posle verovatno i nije crtao kane.
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Deers
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Posted - 08/06/2019 : 10:36:53  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Deers a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vlaadisha




Ovo je skoro bio skandal koliko je toga crtac precrtavao kroz cijeli Gigant. Bilo na forumu.
"Trzaj mišica i nad prazninom sam."
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Beva
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Posted - 08/06/2019 : 11:16:55  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Beva a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Deers

Ovo je skoro bio skandal koliko je toga crtac precrtavao kroz cijeli Gigant. Bilo na forumu.


Di Clemente je poznat po tome da promijeni nekoliko stilova unutar jednog stripa, ovisno čiji kadar precrtava :)
Jubilarni Polo 10!http://forum.stripovi.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=51213
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 08/06/2019 : 14:50:28  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
a ovo je segna valjda
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 08/06/2019 : 14:52:25  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
postavljam uglavnom italijane, ali naravno da su i ameri precrtavali sve u sesnaest

jack kirby, fantastic four vs playboy
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 08/06/2019 : 14:55:41  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
ovo je po meni legitimno (ne znam koliko je legalno)



idealno je izraditi sopstvene fotke ali ne treba ocekivati da je crtac i olimpijski skijas, recimo
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 08/06/2019 : 14:57:09  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
ponekad se desi smesna situacija da se neko prepozna u stripu i reaguje

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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 08/06/2019 : 15:00:18  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
u svakom slucaju, svi su u pogresnom biznisu
recimo, ova slika je prodata za preko milion dolara, a ocigledno je bilo da je radjena po fotkama
(i to iz prirucnika tipa "naucite da crtate")
mislim da ni herge nije dosao blizu te cifre
Edited by - Vlaadisha on 08/06/2019 15:00:51
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mogorovic
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Posted - 08/06/2019 : 22:54:26  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send mogorovic a Private Message  Reply with Quote

[/quote]

Oh, Kirby, Kirby, stari perverznjače...
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supermark
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Posted - 08/06/2019 : 23:42:19  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Visit supermark's Homepage  Send supermark a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vlaadisha

ponekad se desi smesna situacija da se neko prepozna u stripu i reaguje





Hehe
Fora!
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bisley
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Posted - 09/06/2019 : 11:38:22  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send bisley a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nezgodno je i nacrtati nešto da ne kopiraš nekoga, jer je to već netko prije crtao. Kad crtaš prirodu, crtaš po prirodi, ljude crtaš po ljudima, zgrade po zgradama...Netko je već prije rekao da je to više citiranje drugog medija ili autora nego kopiranje. Možda čak i kad se uđe u sferu Sf-a.
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verab
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Posted - 09/06/2019 : 12:18:07  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send verab a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sve što čovjek nacrta/naslika je prije toga negdje morao vidjeti ili mu je netko morao vividno opisati, jer ništa ne nastaje iz ničega. I to nije sporno. Taj je proces počeo u pećini i traje..
"sporno" postaje kad se doslovno precrta/preslika tuđi rad i preuzme zasluga bez spominjanja predloška. A čak ni to nije sporno, kad do u crtu precrtaš tuđe i u svom kontekstu postaviš stvaraš novi rad. Borges je pisao o tome (u literarnom kontekstu).
hejt, jal & rock 'n' roll
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ninel
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Posted - 09/06/2019 : 12:51:15  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send ninel a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I Manara je dosta koristio fotografije kao pomoć kod crtanja.
Slika iz zagrebačke Erotike i kadar iz stripa Klik.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSRVtlTwFs8&feature=related
Edited by - ninel on 09/06/2019 12:54:58
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bisley
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Posted - 09/06/2019 : 14:42:23  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send bisley a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by verab

Sve što čovjek nacrta/naslika je prije toga negdje morao vidjeti ili mu je netko morao vividno opisati, jer ništa ne nastaje iz ničega. I to nije sporno. Taj je proces počeo u pećini i traje..
"sporno" postaje kad se doslovno precrta/preslika tuđi rad i preuzme zasluga bez spominjanja predloška. A čak ni to nije sporno, kad do u crtu precrtaš tuđe i u svom kontekstu postaviš stvaraš novi rad. Borges je pisao o tome (u literarnom kontekstu).


Nisam mislio na krađu rada ili ideje, nego više onako, općenito. Može li se nešto napraviti a da se neće naći netko nakon deset godina i reći "to je pokupio od Moebiusa ili Hermana ili to je Macan prvi napisao u Komarcu..." Opet kažem, tu ne mislim na očita kopiranja.
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 09/06/2019 : 15:37:22  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
al williamson
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 09/06/2019 : 15:39:14  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
neal adams vs mark texeira vs john buscema



(mozda po nekoj fotki?)
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 09/06/2019 : 15:40:23  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
frazetta vs buscema
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Vlaadisha
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Posted - 09/06/2019 : 15:41:35  Show Profile Show Extended Profile  Send Vlaadisha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
nekoliko primera moguce inspiracije
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