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frano
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Posted - 07/04/2017 : 06:43:50
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Oćemo li dalje za ozbiljno? Strip je zanimljiv, bez daljnjega. Kao član ovog foruma od 2003, imam pravo iznjeti svoje mišljenje sve dok nikog ne vrijeđam i ne ponižavam. Argumente tipa trolanje prodavajte nekom drugom.
Jel tako andjusticefortrol?
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frano
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Posted - 07/04/2017 : 07:28:41
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Razapeli ste Marka ko Isusa. Prosvrljao sam malo po temi i nigdje nisam nasao da Marko govori protiv Boga. U to ne dira. Jasno govori da crkva kao institucija smrdi uzduž i popreko.Istina. Priznaje da se zaletio sa tezom o nepostojanju Isusa, a sada vjerovatno i sam osjeća šta znaći biti razapet pred svima. |
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frano
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Posted - 07/04/2017 : 07:49:33
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Sotonin sin je vrlo dobar crtić iz kojeg se moze nazreti Markov karakter. Nacrtao je u njemu i Božju ruku, tako da nema govora o tome da je bezbožnik. A, nacrtao je i vražju nogu da sve bude kako treba:) |
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dupli
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Posted - 07/04/2017 : 11:59:10
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quote: Originally posted by frano
Razapeli ste Marka ko Isusa. Prosvrljao sam malo po temi i nigdje nisam nasao da Marko govori protiv Boga. U to ne dira. Jasno govori da crkva kao institucija smrdi uzduž i popreko.Istina. Priznaje da se zaletio sa tezom o nepostojanju Isusa, a sada vjerovatno i sam osjeća šta znaći biti razapet pred svima.
Frano, igraš se s banom. Zadnjih mjesec dana leti se s foruma za najmanju pizdariju. Moderatori se sada slijepo drže pravila. Ovo ti je izvadak iz Pravila
4.NAJSTROŽE JE ZABRANJENO BILO KAKVO ILI IKAKVO RASPRAVLJANJE O POLITICI,LJUDIMA IZ POLITIKE,UBOJSTVIMA,ATENTATIMA,MAFIJAŠKIM OBRAČUNIMA,O CRKVI,INKVIZICIJI...
Teme prema kojima vučeš su zabranjene. |
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culture vulture
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Posted - 07/04/2017 : 13:36:46
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quote: Originally posted by dupli
Frano, igraš se s banom. Zadnjih mjesec dana leti se s foruma za najmanju pizdariju. Moderatori se sada slijepo drže pravila. Ovo ti je izvadak iz Pravila
4.NAJSTROŽE JE ZABRANJENO BILO KAKVO ILI IKAKVO RASPRAVLJANJE O POLITICI,LJUDIMA IZ POLITIKE,UBOJSTVIMA,ATENTATIMA,MAFIJAŠKIM OBRAČUNIMA,O CRKVI,INKVIZICIJI...
Teme prema kojima vučeš su zabranjene.
Predlazem da se to pravilo primjeni i na Djesku - on rijetko posjecuje forum, 48-satni ban nece ni primjetiti, a pravila ce bar nominalno biti ista za sve. Jedino je pitanje sto cemo s Markosom, koji je ovu uvredu odlucio hostati na sajtu. Ne znam imaju li moderatori ovlasti da ga udalje s foruma - ako imaju, bilo bi fora da ih sad primjene; ako nemaju, mozda je trenutak da se porazgovara o toj mogucnosti... |
Olovka je jedina stvar u mojem životu koju mogu kontrolirati. |
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dupli
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Posted - 07/04/2017 : 13:58:10
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Zakonske promjene i tumačenja ne primjenjuju se retroaktivno. U suprotnom bi hrpa ljudi momentalno trebala dobiti trajni ban.
Pravila se odnose na forum, a ne na cijeli sajt. Nema pravne osnove da se Markos udalji s foruma.
Zaključavanje ovog topika isto bi bila retroaktivna primjena strožeg pristupa pa se to ne bi smjelo dogoditi. Jedino u slučaju da frano nastavi "trolati", moderatori bi mogli banirati franu i zaključiti da preventivno treba zaključati topik. Ali to bi bilo opravdano samo u slučaju da se na trolanje još netko zakači. Sličnu stvar bi mogao napraviti i ti ako baš želiš, ali onda trebaš uhvatiti nekog u mrežu trolanja jer topik ide pod ključ samo ako se rasplamsa diskusija. |
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frano
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Posted - 07/04/2017 : 14:13:08
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Dupli, ja stojim iza svake svoje riječi. Ako nesto podsjeca na trolanje, ukazi. Glede crkve ne znam sta nije jasno. Kao institucija, postala je tek unosan posao. Smrdi uzduž i popreko, generalno govoreci. Marko je jasno ukazao da su crkva (kao institucija) i vjera dvije zasebne stvari. |
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frano
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Posted - 07/04/2017 : 14:16:42
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A bilo bi pošteno da govorimo kroz sferu stripa. Marko u njemu nije crkvu kao instituciju ni dotakao. Tek u komentarima. Ja se slazem s tim djelom. Crkva kao institucija, isprike ako grubo zvuči, smrdi. |
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frano
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Posted - 07/04/2017 : 14:19:08
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I, zbog ukazanih mi pravila, ja o crkvi vise ni rijeci necu napisati. Pravi smrad dolazi od nas, ljudi. To je Marko jako fino obrafio u stripu. |
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frano
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culture vulture
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Posted - 07/04/2017 : 14:23:09
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quote: Originally posted by dupli
Zakonske promjene i tumačenja ne primjenjuju se retroaktivno. U suprotnom bi hrpa ljudi momentalno trebala dobiti trajni ban.
Pravilo je bilo na snazi mnogo prije objave Djeskinog stripa, a "najstroze je zabranjeno bilo kakvo ili ikakvo" ne ostavlja mnogo prostora (dapace, ne ostavlja "bilo kakav ili ikakav" prostor) za razlicita tumacenja.
quote: Pravila se odnose na forum, a ne na cijeli sajt. Nema pravne osnove da se Markos udalji s foruma.
Prihvacam, ali pod uvjetom da mu mladjo napise nesto u stilu: "Ali na tankom si ledu, na piku, i slijedeci put ti to ne bum toleriral, serbus".
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Zaključavanje ovog topika isto bi bila retroaktivna primjena strožeg pristupa pa se to ne bi smjelo dogoditi. Jedino u slučaju da frano nastavi "trolati", moderatori bi mogli banirati franu i zaključiti da preventivno treba zaključati topik. Ali to bi bilo opravdano samo u slučaju da se na trolanje još netko zakači. Sličnu stvar bi mogao napraviti i ti ako baš želiš, ali onda trebaš uhvatiti nekog u mrežu trolanja jer topik ide pod ključ samo ako se rasplamsa diskusija.
Zakljucavanje topica nitko nije ni trazio. Topici ne vrijedjaju po religijskoj osnovi, ili "bilo kakvoj ili ikakvoj" osnovi... ljudi vrijedjaju... po svakojakoj ili svakakvoj osnovi. |
Olovka je jedina stvar u mojem životu koju mogu kontrolirati. |
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dupli
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Posted - 07/04/2017 : 15:16:22
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Frano, kad kreneš imaš svaku tri minute novi post, a sve u stilu: Što na umu to na drumu. Plus, razbacaš se u širinu. Ako to nije "pecanje", ne znam što je.
A osim toga, ovo je tvoj nedavni post s facebooka s komentarima.
Frano Petruša (16.ožujka) Moram vas, teška srca obavijestiti da sam izbačen iz grupe Atesti i agnostici hrvatske. Ah, kakva vremena. Oduzmu ti i ono malo sreće ßto imaš. Pozoveš se dva puta na Uskok a ekipa se odma ustrtari:)
Komentari: Mayapur Gradiček: i odma Iskok :) Nevjerniče u nevjeru. Gasper Najdenic: Apage Satanas Sasa Satyavati-suta Fainkutic: Sve nam reci! Frano Petruša: Kulturno sam zastupo svoja teisticka stajalista. Manje vise su mi rekli da buncam. S njihove strane, osim seciranja pokojne žirafe nitko nije iznio nikakav suvisli znanstveni dokaz o evoluciji. Uskok forever. Frano Petruša: Nazvali su me i nedrk Frano Petruša: Falit će mi ta ekipa. Sasa Satyavati-suta Fainkutic: Ma daaaaaaaj, sigurno imas neki sočan detalj u fajtu. Frano Petruša: Ima, al ne mogu na stranicu. Morao bih s drugog profila. Strpljenja :9 Sasa Satyavati-suta Fainkutic: Uh puno tražiš...
Očito ti fali malo akcije pa si došao ovdje rajcati ekipu i usput skupiti materijala za pohvaliti se svojoj hare-krišna ekipi.
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dupli
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Posted - 07/04/2017 : 15:23:51
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quote: Originally posted by culture vulture
quote: Originally posted by dupli
Zakonske promjene i tumačenja ne primjenjuju se retroaktivno. U suprotnom bi hrpa ljudi momentalno trebala dobiti trajni ban.
Pravilo je bilo na snazi mnogo prije objave Djeskinog stripa, a "najstroze je zabranjeno bilo kakvo ili ikakvo" ne ostavlja mnogo prostora (dapace, ne ostavlja "bilo kakav ili ikakav" prostor) za razlicita tumacenja.
Istina. Ali sjećaš se da su se moderatori izvlačili na neko glasovanje gdje su kao dozvolili neke topike pa je onda prije mjesec dana sve puklo i topici pod ključ, a strogo poštivanje pravila stupilo na snagu. |
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frano
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Posted - 07/04/2017 : 16:26:39
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Osjećam se razapeto :) No, priznajem, s ateistima bih mogao danima. Hare Krišovci su moja ekipa, njih penalim najviše. A tek šta radim znanstvenicima, bolje i da ne pričam.
No, da ne odlutam predaleko u širinu ko Dupli, valja naglasit slijedeće. Ja se stvarno držim teme. Provjerite postove, slobodno. A tema je Crna Željka, Marka Dješke. Strip dodiruje probleme licemjerstva, vegeterijanstva, i Isusa. Zanimljivo, pravo zanimljivo.
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frano
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frano
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frano
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Posted - 07/04/2017 : 19:00:47
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Uozbiljimo se. Tema: Crna Željka.
Tehnički gledano, Marko je brz i vrlo, vrlo dobar crtač. Čini mi se da je negdje naglašeno da je sve u jednom danu nacrtano - respect.
24 satno crtanje ima isto taj moment. Tu ideju. Skoncentriraj se i za dva dana imaš album.
Istovremeno drilaš scenaristički i crtački aspekt.
O scenariju Crne Željke je već puno rečeno. Kad se podvuče crta, radi se samo o vjeri ili nevjeri u Boga.
I o par udaraca ispod pojasa, barem što se Duplog tiče :) |
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frano
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Torghal
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Posted - 07/04/2017 : 20:11:11
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Ne razumin zasto bi Djeska triba dobit ban.Zato sta je nacrta strip koji kritizira crkvu?Koliko ja razumim pravila zabranjeno je raspravljanje po forumu o crkvi a ne raspravljanje unutar stripa o njoj.Inace bi ja dosad triba dobit ban barem desetak puta posto sam u stripovima ima svecenika kurvara,svecenika pedofila... |
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Zox
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dupli
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Posted - 07/04/2017 : 21:42:12
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quote: Originally posted by frano
Uozbiljimo se. Tema: Crna Željka.
Tehnički gledano, Marko je brz i vrlo, vrlo dobar crtač. Čini mi se da je negdje naglašeno da je sve u jednom danu nacrtano - respect.
24 satno crtanje ima isto taj moment. Tu ideju. Skoncentriraj se i za dva dana imaš album.
Istovremeno drilaš scenaristički i crtački aspekt.
O scenariju Crne Željke je već puno rečeno. Kad se podvuče crta, radi se samo o vjeri ili nevjeri u Boga.
I o par udaraca ispod pojasa, barem što se Duplog tiče :)
Željka je izašla za Božić, a Uskrs samo što nije. Frano, iznenadi nas  |
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culture vulture
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Posted - 07/04/2017 : 22:26:17
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Cini mi se da ima neki clan s nickom 'bisley'. Moze njemu ban za ovog Loba?
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Olovka je jedina stvar u mojem životu koju mogu kontrolirati. |
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undeadbilly
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